? In remission, but now with CKD?

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AndreaJEP

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Thanks to the amazing people here and the wealth of information you have compiled, my sweet Scully has been in remission from her diabetes since January 2023. Her neuropathy completely disappeared and she has been at a healthy and stable weight for over a year.

Her vet informed me on 5/13 that Scully has some early CKD, and prescribed her some kidney care food (Hills) and Azodyl. I expressed concern about going back to a higher-carb food, but the vet said that the kidney concerns trumped concerns about the return of diabetes. She wasn't pushy, but I trusted her...until I calmed down and started reading up on things, especially here. I was hoping you all could tell me what you think.

Here's a brief (or not, lol) rundown:

March 16th-ish - senior wellness visit. All went well, as far as I was told. (Urinalysis was later as I had to free catch.)

April 21st
- noticed straining to pee. Would enter litter box, strain & produce nothing, leave litter box & produce small amount of urine, then repeat. Behavior and appetite otherwise normal. Urination the previous evening was normal. Took to after-hours vet, where they could not get a urine sample, but said it sounded like a UTI and prescribed Clavamox.

Over the next couple of days, I did find a few more pee spots on the floor, but then everything returned to normal, though with some loose stool at first (presumably from the Clavamox). I did finish the entire course (10 days, I think?) as directed.

May 6th - Got home to find more pee spots on the floor, this time with drops of blood in them (not diffused through the urine). Called regular vet and got an appointment for the next day. Behavior and appetite otherwise still normal.

May 7th - Vet drew blood, collected urine, and attempted bladder x-rays. (Scully said "no" after the first few images.) Labs are attached. There are urinalysis results for 5/7 and 5/9 because the outside lab that did the cultures re-ran the tests on the existing sample.

May 8th - Fasted/sedated appointment for bladder ultrasound. No stones or masses found, but some "thickening" found, consistent with infection or cystitis (I believe?).

May 13th - I got the CKD call from the vet that had me crying and freaking out. Vet referred me to an ultrasound specialist who could image Scully's entire abdomen, including her kidneys, to look for kidney stones or a tumor.

May 16th - ultrasound performed, and I was told results would be sent to her regular vet the next day or the following Monday. Unfortunately, I still don't have these results, thanks to a combination of two big storms, a tornado (which damaged the specialist clinic), and Memorial Day. They only just re-opened yesterday, and while I don't want to be a pest, I'm also worried that they forgot about my girl, as she is not a regular patient of theirs.

Now - I showed the lab results to my dad when I got them (he is a retired human physician, not a vet). He never sugarcoats anything, but he thinks her results look borderline based on reference ranges, and not nearly as bad as I was led to believe. And reading things here, I now know that the Hills k/d food is a BAD idea, but I'm wondering whether she actually even needs low phosphorus or Azodyl? I'm prepared to pick foods from this list (p.15, diabetic/ckd) or similar if her normal Fancy Feast pate is now inappropriate for her, but I don't want to over-treat her, either. And I REALLY don't want her to have to be on insulin again.


What do you all think? Labs are attached. All the circling was done by me as I tried to make sense of everything.

Thank you for reading, regardless :bighug:
 

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I agree with @Red & Rover (GA). You don’t need kidney food, you need low phosphorus, if anything although her phosphorus is normal atm.
Weruva also has a line of low phosphorus foods in their website.
If you go to kidney food Scully will fall out of remission and you don’t want that when it is completely unnecessary.
Some wet foods are higher in phosphorus than others. You could possibly start by looking for foods that are under250mg phosphorus/100kcals and feeding those.
 
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With the symptoms you are describing with the litter box issues, Scully could possibly have FLUTD. Google that and see what you think. Sheba had that and when she had flare ups she would keep visiting the LB and do nothing or tiny bits. Also occasional blood and incontinence during the flares which lasted from a day to a week.
Sheba also had early CRD which freaked me out in the beginning. I just watched her phosphorus levels and it didn’t proceed at all. She died years later of an unrelated cause
 
Thank you both, @Red & Rover (GA) and @Bron and Sheba (GA)! I had started mixing some of the vet-recommended food in with her Fancy Feast, but I will stop that immediately. I'll put her back on just Fancy Feast but continue the Azodyl while I look for something better. I will have some down time at work tomorrow to look through the food lists in detail, and hopefully will find something I can get at Petco to have her try tomorrow evening.

I looked up FLUTD. Looks like an umbrella term for a range of urinary tract diseases, is that right? I see one of the potential causes is idiopathic cystitis, which is actually what the vet initially suspected based on symptoms, before she'd seen the blood test results and decided it was early CKD. What you're saying makes so much sense, though, with her recurrent "UTI" symptoms and yet with negative urine cultures.
 
Sheba had several ‘UTIs’ until she had an ultrasound and it was decided she has idiopathic cystitis. There is quite a bit one can do to help the symptoms and recurrences of it. Have to go out atm but can tell you later re that if you like.
Fancy Feast is quite high in phosphorus so I would look for another food for a start. Definitely chuck the kidney food.
 
Sheba had several ‘UTIs’ until she had an ultrasound and it was decided she has idiopathic cystitis. There is quite a bit one can do to help the symptoms and recurrences of it. Have to go out atm but can tell you later re that if you like.
Fancy Feast is quite high in phosphorus so I would look for another food fir a start. Definitely chuck the kidney food.
Yes please! If you don't mind, I'd love to hear anything I can do for her.

I was just looking at the food spreadsheet to see which Fancy Feast flavor I could give her for dinner today that would be lowest in phosphorus, and...yeah, they're all super high. So I just gave her her favorite flavor and added the Azodyl. It'll do for tonight and breakfast tomorrow, anyway, until I can buy something else.
 
I think I'm going to start her on the Weruva BFF Play chicken mixes. Petco has a variety pack in stock, so I can get them after work tomorrow and start introducing them to her. I hope she likes them.
 
@AndreaJEP
Hi there, even if Scully doesn't have early signs of CKD you can feed Weruva
if you tap on this link and look at post #32 I listed some Weruva pates for another member that's low carb/ low phosphorus.
https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/new-member-11-8-and-i-am-tired.283363/#post-3124085
Thank you for the link! I am going to pick up that variety pack for her after work today. She's definitely a fish fiend, but she's just going to have to deal with not getting that anymore, it looks like.
 
So far, Scully seems to like the Weruva, so that's good news. I also got the ultrasound results back, and everything came back normal except for some cysts on the pancreas, which both vets say are not much cause for concern in the absence of symptoms.

The kidneys were completely normal on ultrasound, and no source for the blood in urine was found, so it's looking like @Bron and Sheba (GA) 's idea of FLUTD makes a lot of sense as a possible explanation.
 
FLUTD can be stress related and I have to say with most of Sheba’s flares, I could look back and remember that she was stressed over something a few days earlier. So if you could reduce the stress that would help. I remember we had relatives come to stay once and Sheba had a flare….she got stressed around new people but never worried about the kids racing around the house.
Feliway collars or infusers are useful. I had a collar for Sheba and it definitely made a difference.
Cartrophen (or adequan (in the US) is an injection and is given weekly for 4 weeks. It is supposed to help the bladder wall. It’s an anti inflammatory and often used for arthritis in dogs and horses but is also used for cats with FLUTD.
I also gave cosequin caps to Sheba as they are supposed to help with bladder wall as well.
During flares it can be painful so a pain killer such as bupe can be given, and sometimes Prozosin.
Encourage extra fluids during flares.
 
FLUTD can be stress related and I have to say with most of Sheba’s flares, I could look back and remember that she was stressed over something a few days earlier. So if you could reduce the stress that would help. I remember we had relatives come to stay once and Sheba had a flare….she got stressed around new people but never worried about the kids racing around the house.
Feliway collars or infusers are useful. I had a collar for Sheba and it definitely made a difference.
Cartrophen (or adequan (in the US) is an injection and is given weekly for 4 weeks. It is supposed to help the bladder wall. It’s an anti inflammatory and often used for arthritis in dogs and horses but is also used for cats with FLUTD.
I also gave cosequin caps to Sheba as they are supposed to help with bladder wall as well.
During flares it can be painful so a pain killer such as bupe can be given, and sometimes Prozosin.
Encourage extra fluids during flares.
Thank you! This is very much appreciated :bighug:
 
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