4/15 Charlie AMPS 94 +1 54 +2 25 +3 70

Katy and Charlie

Katy and Charlie

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Good morning! It was quite the weekend with Charlie dropping suuuuper low twice. Then again this morning.

On Friday and Saturday nights, he was given wet gravy food and some honey to help bring him up. It was still difficult to raise his BG. He didn't seem to be reacting to it quite like he had in the past. I didn't get any testing last night, we got home late and I was exhausted.

Then this morning I got an AMPS of 94. I was really nervous to shoot but knew my husband would be home to monitor him so I did it. At +2 I gave him half a can of gravy food and it seems like it's helping. He's up to 70 now.

I already decreased twice this weekend, which maybe I shouldn't have, I don't know. But I have no idea what to do at this point... decrease again? My husband will be back to work tomorrow so we won't be able to monitor him as closely for the rest of the week.
 
Responding here since I don't see a thread for today's hijinks. :eek: Who know if he also had hijinks over last night - I don't see any testing post PMPS. Charlie has proven he's not to be trusted!

First, could you test for ketones today at some point? If negative, still low, I think you either need to skip or do a half dose tonight to help drain that ugly depot.

When you get home today, could you post today's action or at least update the spreadsheet. I'd like to look at what he's doing today before suggesting what dose should be his next one. He was far enough into the 3.75 units dose that this shouldn't be the depot from 4.25 units and only a bit of 4 units. Meaning that 3.75 was an influencer in that 25. And he needs some sort of reduction. The question is what's the best approach to keep him safe. As Kyle said, sometime the pancreas decides to come back from holiday and make things exciting.
 
The depot is influencing the bg but a 25 means another reduction without hesitation. Sometimes when a cat hits a breakthrough dose and are eating all lc they can fly down the dosing scale. Good luck with this latest reduction.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Responding here since I don't see a thread for today's hijinks. :eek: Who know if he also had hijinks over last night - I don't see any testing post PMPS. Charlie has proven he's not to be trusted!

First, could you test for ketones today at some point? If negative, still low, I think you either need to skip or do a half dose tonight to help drain that ugly depot.

When you get home today, could you post today's action or at least update the spreadsheet. I'd like to look at what he's doing today before suggesting what dose should be his next one. He was far enough into the 3.75 units dose that this shouldn't be the depot from 4.25 units and only a bit of 4 units. Meaning that 3.75 was an influencer in that 25. And he needs some sort of reduction. The question is what's the best approach to keep him safe. As Kyle said, sometime the pancreas decides to come back from holiday and make things exciting.
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I'm a bad bean. I didn't test after giving him his shot last night. We were at our inlaws until later in the evening. I got home and gave him his shot and went to bed. Based off the last couple of days, I would guess he went low again last night.

I'll ask my husband to test for ketones. He should be testing again for +4 real soon here. I'll update as he texts me the numbers!
 
Katy and Charlie said:
@ +2 he just hit 25. :oops: Gave some gravy food. He really is trying to keep me on my toes! I'm off to work but thank goodness my husband is off today and will continue to monitor. I'm not sure what to do next. Do I reduce again? Keep holding? He's acting normal!
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Did you get another test when you got that 25 to see if it was a bad strip? This is still the higher 4U depot at play, but any drop below 40 is an immediate reduction - so you would go down to 3.5U tonight. See what the others say.
 
Husband just tested... +4 40, retested immediately to make sure, and got 65. He tried to test ketones but was using the wrong strips. :rolleyes:

He's going to check again at +4.5
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Did you get another test when you got that 25 to see if it was a bad strip? This is still the higher 4U depot at play, but any drop below 40 is an immediate reduction - so you would go down to 3.5U tonight. See what the others say.
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I didn't.... I probably should have. A lot of the time when I get a low number I do test again, but I guess I wasn't too surprised to see the 25 after the craziness this weekend so I didn't.
 
Hmm, I see a 40 retest 65 at +4. He's still up to no good today. Sometimes if you don't get enough blood on the strip, it can read lower than it is. A retest is a good idea, which I see hubby did at +4.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Hmm, I see a 40 retest 65 at +4. He's still up to no good today. Sometimes if you don't get enough blood on the strip, it can read lower than it is. A retest is a good idea, which I see hubby did at +4.
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I almost thought about asking him to give Charlie more gravy food... but I asked Jake to test again in a half hour to see if the BG would come up without the influence of food. If he's still around 40 or 60 should we give him the other half can of gravy food?

I should have retested this morning, however I feel pretty good about it. I had a decent amount of blood. Plus I gave him gravy food at +2, I would think his current numbers would be higher if the 25 was an incorrect test. Who knows!

I'll keep updating!
 
How long since he last had high carb food? The gravy/carbs can wear off in two hours and the numbers could come back down. If it's been two hours, you could go with LC. Less than 2 hours and it looks like he's coming down and I'd go with more carbs. In either case, he's earned a reduction so there's really nothing to prove so you could go with HC if hubby wants to do more than test today.

Thanks goodness for the ketones. That means a skip or partial dose tonight would be OK.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
How long since he last had high carb food? The gravy/carbs can wear off in two hours and the numbers could come back down. If it's been two hours, you could go with LC. Less than 2 hours and it looks like he's coming down and I'd go with more carbs. In either case, he's earned a reduction so there's really nothing to prove so you could go with HC if hubby wants to do more than test today.

Thanks goodness for the ketones. That means a skip or partial dose tonight would be OK.
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I gave him HC food at +2, when I got the 25. So its been 2.5 hours. He has LC food sitting out. I'll have him test again at +5 and maybe decide from there if he needs some HC or not. It's a rainy day here so hubby is chilling at home for the day!

I'm guessing we'll just see how the rest of the day goes to decide on a skip or partial dose tonight?
 
Yes, let's see where he is closer to the end of the day before deciding on tonight's dose. He has earned a reduction, but it could help both of you if that darn larger depot wasn't so much in the picture.
 
@ + 5 72, going to hold off on HC food and just leave the LC food out. I'll keep updating the spreadsheet and pop back in later today. Maybe you can help me decide what our next step will be if your around. Wendy, I can't thank you enough for all the help you have given me!! :bighug:
 
Kyle, the fact you feel that way makes me so happy. You are such a sweet person. Honestly, I am in a weird emotional state cause I'm happy, but also confused and nervous. This is all still pretty new to me so I'm like what the heck is going on!? I just really don't want to lose all the progress we've made.

We got a 72 @ + 5 then another 72 @ +6!! Wowza. I really hope we can keep up with this!
 
Katy and Charlie said:
Honestly, I am in a weird emotional state cause I'm happy, but also confused and nervous. This is all still pretty new to me so I'm like what the heck is going on!? I just really don't want to lose all the progress we've made.
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many of us know exactly how you feel!! It is a very surreal experience after months of the same routine and same higher numbers. It is all so new and strange -- and it takes a while to get used to it.

again, great job this morning shooting the full 3.75 with that AMPS of 94, I remember the first time I got a number even close to that low I am pretty sure I panicked and fed HC food immediately LOL. *cringe*
 
9 hours so far of green! :D

If I'm not around at PMPS time, some things to consider. How able are you to monitor tonight? Due to the depot, the first part of the cycle may play out like you shot full dose. Does he stay low or zoom up before PMPS. You could always get a +11 and post to give people time to consider options. An obvious bounce by then makes it easier to shoot. His last lows he only bounced one or two cycles then got back to business again the cycle after that - can he be monitored tomorrow during the day? How is his appetite? Full from the yummy goodness today? Some insulin would be good given past DKA. A lot can happen between now and +12 so hard to predict.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
9 hours so far of green! :D

If I'm not around at PMPS time, some things to consider. How able are you to monitor tonight? Due to the depot, the first part of the cycle may play out like you shot full dose. Does he stay low or zoom up before PMPS. You could always get a +11 and post to give people time to consider options. An obvious bounce by then makes it easier to shoot. His last lows he only bounced one or two cycles then got back to business again the cycle after that - can he be monitored tomorrow during the day? How is his appetite? Full from the yummy goodness today? Some insulin would be good given past DKA. A lot can happen between now and +12 so hard to predict.
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Just tested again at +10 and got 146. So he's creeping back up but not too quickly. I'm amazed by all the green numbers today and still in shock!

I will be home and able to test a few times tonight. On the weeknights, I really value my sleep and don't want to stay up until midnight or later like I did over the weekend. But also, I'll do what I need to do for Charlie and to not mess up the progress we've made. He usually goes up a bit before PMPS... but at +10 being 146. I doubt it would be more than 250 or 300. But goodness you really never know. He surprises me all the time. So I think I would be okay to shoot tonight but maybe a partial or reduced dose. I can do a +11 here soon and post again.

Me and my husband will both be back to work tomorrow and I'll only be able to test in the morning and at +6, then at night. So I don't want him dropping too low.

My husband said he's been sleeping a lot of the day, which is pretty normal for him. He hasn't eaten as much today as normal though. He did get half a can of gravy food this morning, but other than that he hasn't had much. Is this normal with the lower BG levels?
 
Sorry, was out doing a workout. Looks like bounce in progress. But I'd still get a +2 tonight as I don't trust him today.:p

To help your memory for the next time he goes low, you might want to add any extra food he got to the Remarks column.
 
Hendrick Cuddleclaw said:
whew, I see Charlie had a less active cycle last night, nothing super low

good to see, I'm sure you guys needed the break!
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I know! I am kinda bummed to be back in the 300s today but at the same time... It was nice to go to bed and not worry about him dropping low. Hopefully, this bounce doesn't last too long!
 
Yup, all part of the process. When bouncing starts to come under control, with most cats it is normal to still see some bouncing but it tends to clear more quickly and not be as high. I.E. bouncing into the pinks instead of reds or blacks. Keep it up Charlie you're doing great!
 
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