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mabeline

mabeline

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My cat Mabel had diarrhea and throwing up a week ago. Since then she has been on an antibiotic. She also has refused to eat the food she previously was. Last night I picked up new food. Her numbers have been much lower than i’m used to seeing. I am used to 200-300 pre shot & I got 127 last night & 140 this morning… I am assuming it is because she hasn’t eaten as much as usual?
I am curious what is the lowest glucose # where I should not give her the insulin to avoid going too low?
I hope this makes sense. Thank you.
 
Any replies or insight here would be helpful please.
I just did her PMPS and she’s at 144. These low numbers are very new to me. I’m not sure if I should still give her 1 unit of Lantus at that number.
Thank you!! :bighug:
 
I can tag a few members for you but you don't have a lot of testing, some
I don't see any testing for the month of Sept, , a lot of missing dates, hardly any tests were done after when you did test after AMPS and PMPS .
On 10-30 how much insulin did you give, itself not filled in.
I think you should have done another curve , the last curve was on 8-20.
I don't mean this as a criticism, it's just that we have no idea how the insulin is working for Mabel and how she's doing
 
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mowmow said:
Good morning
My cat Mabel had diarrhea and throwing up a week ago. Since then she has been on an antibiotic. She also has refused to eat the food she previously was. Last night I picked up new food. Her numbers have been much lower than i’m used to seeing. I am used to 200-300 pre shot & I got 127 last night & 140 this morning… I am assuming it is because she hasn’t eaten as much as usual?
I am curious what is the lowest glucose # where I should not give her the insulin to avoid going too low?
I hope this makes sense. Thank you.
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Diane Tyler's Mom said:
I can tag a few members for you but you don't have a lot of testing, some
I don't see any testing for the month of Sept, , a lot of missing dates, hardly any tests were done after when you did test after AMPS and PMPS .
On 10-30 how much insulin did you give, itself not filled in.
I think you should have done another curb , the last curb was on 8-20.
I don't mean this as a criticism, it's just that we have no idea how the insulin is working for Mabel and how she's doing
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I understand what you are saying.

I am planning to do another curve but have been on a journey on finding the correct food for her. She got sick, was put on medication, stopped eating her previous food. I just started a food that she is eating. So I figure once I finish antibiotic & get her eating schedule back on track, I will do an another curve.
10/30 is the day she was vomiting and diarrhea and would not eat, so no I did not give insulin. Vet stated if she wasn’t eating to not give insulin until she did.
That evening without insulin, she was down to 169, so I still did not give insulin.
The next morning she ate some and I started back with the insulin.
Prior to 10/30 I was out of town for 2 weeks and she was with a pet sitter, when I got back is when she was sick. I know there is a lot of moving parts. I am back and taking control to make sure she is on track.

I hope that gives a little bit of a better idea
 
I’ve updated spread sheet with some more information.

I will write back by the end of the week with more numbers as she seems to enjoy this food enough to eat and receive her normal insulin.

Thank you.
 
I see you wrote this in the remarks section of your SS
Today, I checked Mabel's glucose before shot and food. 140, she ate, I checked 30 minutes later and it was 167, determined It was ok to give Insulin. Tonight before food and shot 144 again, after food 162, my guess it's safe to give her insulin.

Where you have the 140 for the AM shot can you also put in the same cell 30 min later 167
Same goes for tonight's PMPS just so members know that you stalled and gave insulin when the BG was 167

What is the name of the new food you are feeding that she likes
I hope she's feeling better now :cat:
 
Yes, thanks for letting me know to mark the 30 minutes later in the same box, I wasn’t sure.

It is Purina Pro Plan DM, as recommended by my vet. Which I now see is over the 10% carb…
I feel like I can’t win! I’m sure you know the feeling.
She seems to be feeling better. She got sick the day I returned from out of town, so no telling what truly caused it.
Thank you again
 
mowmow said:
Yes, thanks for letting me know to mark the 30 minutes later in the same box, I wasn’t sure.

It is Purina Pro Plan DM, as recommended by my vet. Which I now see is over the 10% carb…
I feel like I can’t win! I’m sure you know the feeling.
She seems to be feeling better. She got sick the day I returned from out of town, so no telling what truly caused it.
Thank you again
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@mowmow
Hang in there :cat:
I did a search on our site and found that the Pro Plan DM wet it 6% carbs
I'm going by what some of the members said on our site
Posted by 4 members

Regarding Pro Plan Veterinary Diet DM is actually listed on Dr. Pierson’s spreadsheet, with 6% calories from carbs.

Here is another post I found
Purina Pro Plan DM wet is low carb at 6%

This is what you're feeding correct, so the carbs are not high
purina-pro-plan-veterinary-diets-dietetic-management-wet-cat-food.png
 
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Diane Tyler's Mom said:
@mowmow
Hang in there :cat:
I did a search on our site and found that the Pro Plan DM wet it 6% carbs
I'm going by what some of the members said on our site
Posted by 4 members

Regarding Pro Plan Veterinary Diet DM is actually listed on Dr. Pierson’s spreadsheet, with 6% calories from carbs.

Here is another post I found
Purina Pro Plan DM wet is low carb at 6%

This is what you're feeding correct, so the carbs are not high
purina-pro-plan-veterinary-diets-dietetic-management-wet-cat-food.png
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That is great to hear. That is it! Thank you thank you!
Maybe it was the dry food, that I was seeing 18% online. I am hoping to get the dry food in addition to the wet as a small snack throughout the day while I am at work. I got the Dr Elseys & Young again dry food for her and it just left her with very soft poop, making a mess all over. So was hoping to get the matching dry food to give a few small snacks through the day.
 
mowmow said:
That is great to hear. That is it! Thank you thank you!
Maybe it was the dry food, that I was seeing 18% online. I am hoping to get the dry food in addition to the wet as a small snack throughout the day while I am at work. I got the Dr Elseys & Young again dry food for her and it just left her with very soft poop, making a mess all over. So was hoping to get the matching dry food to give a few small snacks through the day.
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You're so welcome , yes its the dry that is 18%

Maybe instead of giving the dry DM you can try Freeze Dried Treats

Most of the members will give the Freeze Dried cat treats
freeze dried treats
Click on this link and look at post #6. Numbers are to the right
You can get any freeze dried treats ,information is there
https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/brand-new-many-questions-3.255627/#post-2878703

Or you can get an auto feeder while you're at work and put the wet DM in it for her
Set it for certain times to open
Let me know and I can give you the name of one to get
@mowmow
 
mowmow said:
You’re so helpful. I am going to take a look.
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Aww thank you, I just feel so bad that she got sick :cat:
Found ànother post about the DM Wet to make you feel better :cat:

Just so everyone is on the same page, Purina Pro Plan Diabetic food is Purina DM. It is 6% carb.

If you ever need to try and find something go to were it says search up top and type something in , I just typed in Purina Pro Plan DM and then you will see a lot of posts about it, the name will be in black letters so you can go through all of them until you read where a member posted the carbs.
 
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When you switched Mabel's food, what was she eating previously? The switch to the DM may be the reason for the lower numbers.

Just as an FYI, if you've ever been prescribed metronidazole, at least in humans, it's notorious for killing your appetite. (Its other name is Flagyl.) If Mabel was "off" her food, that may have been why.

Also, any change in food can cause some cats to have GI issues. The manufacturers of Young Again strongly suggest a slow transition to their food. Many members here report loose stools or diarrhea if they switch to Young Again too quickly.

One helpful approach for dealing with diarrhea are probiotics. In particular, S. boulardii is a miracle. It's available online or in some health food stores. You start with about 1/4 to 1/3 of a capsule mixed into canned food. You give it twice a day. If after a day or two things haven't settled down, increase to about 1/2 of a capsule.

And finally, many members use a timed feeder in order to provide food while they are out of the house. There are feeders that have a spot for an ice pack so you don't have to be concerned about the canned food spoiling.
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
When you switched Mabel's food, what was she eating previously? The switch to the DM may be the reason for the lower numbers.

Just as an FYI, if you've ever been prescribed metronidazole, at least in humans, it's notorious for killing your appetite. (Its other name is Flagyl.) If Mabel was "off" her food, that may have been why.

Also, any change in food can cause some cats to have GI issues. The manufacturers of Young Again strongly suggest a slow transition to their food. Many members here report loose stools or diarrhea if they switch to Young Again too quickly.

One helpful approach for dealing with diarrhea are probiotics. In particular, S. boulardii is a miracle. It's available online or in some health food stores. You start with about 1/4 to 1/3 of a capsule mixed into canned food. You give it twice a day. If after a day or two things haven't settled down, increase to about 1/2 of a capsule.

And finally, many members use a timed feeder in order to provide food while they are out of the house. There are feeders that have a spot for an ice pack so you don't have to be concerned about the canned food spoiling.
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Hi!
She was eating hills glucosupport and friskies. She avoided the glucosupport completely, so I went back to the friskies to get her to eat. Following the vet appointment she suggested the Purina DM, so once her stomach settled and she finished medication, I got the DM and she seems to like that for now.
That is good to know about the medication, although she stopped eating before being prescribed that. That is mostly why I took her into the vet so quickly, I wasn’t sure what to do about the insulin without her eating. It was clear it was glucosupport that she either didn’t like anymore or was associating with being sick, because she would eat other options. I’m sure the medicine wasn’t helping the fact.


I also read that about the young again food, which led to me to chatting with someone in their company. It was a slow transition and small teaspoon portions, but the soft stool stuck around for weeks… So now, I am just feeding her the Purina DM, no dry food, but I think she needs a snack during the day while I am at work. I would prefer a dry food or freeze dried snack as I already have the timed feeder for dry food, and i’d like to save a little money where I can. The canned food is adding up quickly! The matching dry for to the DM seems to very high carbs. Diane sent a link for the freeze dried snacks I will look into.
I really appreciate your time & input!
 
mowmow said:
Good morning @Diane Tyler's Mom !
I was able to get a few most testing in the last few days, if you’d like to take a look. I am still working on getting more tests to get a better idea.
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You're doing a great job with the testing ,nice blue numbers :cat::cat:
Edit just a tip when entering BG tests do you see on 11-10 where you have @ +1.5 , then in the +2 cell or square you have 226. You can put 226 @+1.5 in the +1 cell or square and then color code it in manually yellow. You can do it this way when you are doing tests such as these, such as @ +1.5. Or @ + 2.5 etc. Then color code them in manually to match the color codes up top on the SS
@mowmow
 
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What I would do is make a soupy mixture of canned food and water and freeze it in an ice cube tray. I'd leave a couple of cubes for Gabby to snack on during the day. To be honest, the dry foods that are low in carbs are not inexpensive. I've not used them so I don't have a good idea of how they price compared to canned food. The "prescription" foods do tend to be pricey, as well. Just so you're aware, look at the ingredients in DM. There is nothing special in there that makes the food better than anything else for a diabetic cat. In fact, the pet food manufacturers lost a class action suit for calling their foods "prescription." Purina calls the DM dietetic, not diabetic food.
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
You're doing a great job with the testing ,nice blue numbers :cat::cat:
Edit just a tip when entering BG tests do you see on 11-10 where you have @ +1.5 , then in the +2 cell or square you have 226. You can put 226 @+1.5 in the +1 cell or square and then color code it in manually yellow. You can do it this way when you are doing tests such as these, such as @ +1.5. Or @ + 2.5 etc. Then color code them in manually to match the color codes up top on the SS
@mowmow
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Great to know I can manually color code it! Always learning something. Thanks!
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
What I would do is make a soupy mixture of canned food and water and freeze it in an ice cube tray. I'd leave a couple of cubes for Gabby to snack on during the day. To be honest, the dry foods that are low in carbs are not inexpensive. I've not used them so I don't have a good idea of how they price compared to canned food. The "prescription" foods do tend to be pricey, as well. Just so you're aware, look at the ingredients in DM. There is nothing special in there that makes the food better than anything else for a diabetic cat. In fact, the pet food manufacturers lost a class action suit for calling their foods "prescription." Purina calls the DM dietetic, not diabetic food.
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That sounds like a nice idea with the frozen food…
Wow that’s good to know about the prescription food. I’ve read some about the prescription food in this group, and then the vet saying another thing. & I was desperate to find something she would actually eat. Now that I’ve started her on this for a week +, I’d hate to change it again, and risk upsetting her stomach…
I will weigh all of my options:bookworm: I really am looking forward to finally getting her set on a good food routine, so I can be sure I am giving her the right dose and she is feeling good.
thank you again!!
 
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