10/20 Kona:AMPS 157,+2 192,+6.25 92,+8 79,+10 78,+11.25 87,+11.75 91, SKIP PM,+2 121,+3 139, +11 384

@Bandit's Mom - saw your post on the neosporin. Bummer, didn't know it was toxic. I actually followed what the women in the video that is posted in threads here on how to test your cat. She notes that at the end.

I've noted these two points you shared with me. Thanks! I do this and try to get the prescriptoin for the Elma.
  • Hold a wet, cool baby washcloth on the poke site immediately after the test to prevent bruising.
  • Put Emla cream on the test sites after each test. It only takes a tiny dab and you can wipe it off before the next test. Emla cream requires a prescription from your vet.
 
Is there a reason you think her ears need something to heal? If you poke the marginal vein, that might cause some bruising but otherwise it should be OK.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Is there a reason you think her ears need something to heal? If you poke the marginal vein, that might cause some bruising but otherwise it should be OK.
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Thanks for the questioning my concern. No reason other than being a worried dad. =) I think I gave up to 30 pokes yesterday. Some tests required repeated pokes as I couldn't get anything or had to adjust sides. So I just assumed she needed something.

Probably over cautious, but I think it would be good to at least have the Elma on-hand, should I need it considering vet prescription would take forever.

I've never hit the marginal vein and I'm always in the sweet spot. I have poke through on occasions when she moves.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Looks like she might still be bouncing from the limes yesterday considering that she's higher at +2.
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Hmm.. hopefully she stays in the blue all today and doesn't bounce too high.

Question: do we feed snacks throughout the day all the time or only when we expect/suspect them to be dropping too low? If Kona is potentially rising, would I still give her a small low carb snack every two hours or so?
 
@Jason - Kona's Dad
Hi Jason congrats on the reduction
If you think her ears look a little sore

Get pure coconut oil
I have read that many members use pure coconut oil, I have copied this from one of the members posts
just make sure the only ingredient is coconut oil (mine is solid at room temp and I would take an itty bitty dab and rub on his ears)
It seemed to help with the healing
You might be able to get it at a health food store or just Google pure coconut oil
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
@Jason - Kona's Dad
Hi Jason congrats on the reduction
If you think her ears look a little sore

Get pure coconut oil
I have read that many members use pure coconut oil, I have copied this from one of the members posts
just make sure the only ingredient is coconut oil (mine is solid at room temp and I would take an itty bitty dab and rub on his ears)
It seemed to help with the healing
You might be able to get it at a health food store or just Google pure coconut oil
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Ahhh, good tip! I have plenty of high quality, pure coconut oil. I'll try that if I see signs of any issues with her ears. So far, they look good, no actions needed.

Thanks @Diane Tyler's Mom =)
 
Hmm... her numbers keep going down. I hope it doesn't go any lower here in about an hour when I have get ready to shoot. Now I'm worried about chasing the PM cycle all night from being too low.

I gave tsp of her normal food at 6:27pm. Med carb: Glycobalance Wet 14%.
 
First, congrats on the reduction. Assuming she's high enough to shoot tonight, the new dose is .75.

How long before your PMPS?
 
Angela & Cleo said:
First, congrats on the reduction. Assuming she's high enough to shoot tonight, the new dose is .75.

How long before your PMPS?
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Here in about an hour. Target is 7:45PM or 8PM. I'm trying to walk back from a stall I did yesterday or the day before to get to my orignal time.

What's a safe shooting range to do the new reduction at U.75 at 7:45pm/8pm?
 
Angela & Cleo said:
How do you feel about shooting? Can you monitor if you shoot? Do you have the High Carb food/ karo/ honey if necessary?
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The highest carb food I have is the Glycobalance Wet Food at 14% carbs.
I have a bottle Karo.

When looking at her spreadsheet, yesterday morning I shot at the 90 and it was an all day affair. So I'm worried about monitoring through the entire night, but I guess I don't have any other choice...right?
This morning, she actual was rising at the +2, so hard to say... I don't "know thy cat" yet.

Thinking, thinking...
 
I think the removal of the dry food is making a huge difference to the amount of insulin she needs. I'm not sure I would shoot the full dose tonight. I worry that you might have a cycle like yesterday morning where you were struggling to bring her over 50. I would either give a token dose of 0.25-0.5U or even skip and go down to 0.75U in the morning.
 
The choice is yours because you hold the syringe. If it were me and considering how quickly Kona recovered from the bounce from the limes, removal of all dry food from her diet, trying to get back on schedule of and ability to monitor the PM cycle, I might consider a skip for tonight
 
Bandit's Mom said:
I think the removal of the dry food is making a huge difference to the amount of insulin she needs. I'm not sure I would shoot the full dose tonight. I worry that you might have a cycle like yesterday morning where you were struggling to bring her over 50. I would either give a token dose of 0.25-0.5U or even skip and go down to 0.75U in the morning.
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Yes, after yesterday. This is wise, I had a long day and I can picture me now half asleep struggling trying to do tests all night, unsucessfully.

Angela & Cleo said:
The choice is yours because you hold the syringe. If it were me and considering how quickly Kona recovered from the bounce from the limes, removal of all dry food from her diet, trying to get back on schedule of and ability to monitor the PM cycle, I might consider a skip for tonight
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Agreed! Good advise as well. I will skip.

Bandit's Mom said:
Is this the weekend when you can monitor till Tuesday? If yes, might be a good idea to skip, feed low carb food (not the RC) and see what she does tonight.
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Yes, this is my Friday. I'm home for the next 48.

Bandit's Mom said:
feed low carb food (not the RC) and see what she does tonight.
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Wait? A FULL SWITCH to a low or no carb food? Or should I do half Glycobalance Wet (14%) and half of the food I plan on transitioning too below:

Wruva Truluxe
Quick 'N Quirky .4% carbs (yes, under 1 percent, .4%)
Pretty in Pink .5% carbs (yes, under 1 percent, .5%)
https://www.weruva.com/pages/cat-nutritional-information
 
Jason - Kona's Dad said:
Wait? A FULL SWITCH to a low or no carb food? Or should I do half Glycobalance Wet (14%) and half of the food I plan on transitioning too below:
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Tonight, since she will get no insulin, feed her only low carb if he will eat it. That will prevent her numbers from going up too much without insulin.

Depending on how she does tonight, we can see what dose to shoot tomorrow morning (she might be headed lower than 0.75U). And you can shoot at your previous time of 7/7:30 since you have skipped tonight. We have had cats race down the dosing ladder after the removal of carbs from their diet.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Tonight, since she will get no insulin, feed her only low carb if he will eat it. That will prevent her numbers from going up too much without insulin.

Depending on how she does tonight, we can see what dose to shoot tomorrow morning (she might be headed lower than 0.75U). And you can shoot at your previous time of 7/7:30 since you have skipped tonight. We have had cats race down the dosing ladder after the removal of carbs from their diet.
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Done! Skipped insulin tonight and the can of Weruva TruLuxe Quick 'N Quirky is being devoured. .5% carbs.

@Bandit's Mom @Angela & Cleo
 
@Bandit's Mom @Angela & Cleo

Hmm... so what's this mean for testing then? If I'm not watching for any Hypo events do I take the night off? Or should I do a few +2s to just know how she is doing?

Please advise on recommended testing schedule for the night.

Also, I'll be up tomorrow morning at 6am to get a test in early.
 
Be back in about 45 minutes for +2.

She is sooo happy tonight she got the GOOD food she loves.

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Bandit's Mom said:
Wow! So she's been eating higher carb RC that she doesn't like when she actually loves the the low carb food that's good for her diabetes??!!! o_O:facepalm:
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oh yeah... here's the whole story:

As kittens, vet recommended Orijen dry. Which is a quality dry, mind you, but dry. I also did a can of Weruva wet food every other meal or so and did Primal freeze-dried rabbit, duck, etc. foods as well. Because I want them to have the BEST.

So that's like 10 years of feeding both cats.

THEN, Kona's teeth had some build-up, and it was recommended to switch completely to the Royal Canin Dental Dry Food (34% carb). I ended up doing a teeth cleaning and it was recommended to keep on the RC Dental Dry Food to keep up with the dental build-up, which I feel it actually did. I would also do Weruva wet and Primal freeze-dried here and there.. maybe a few meals per week, but thought the dental food was working and "more important." Also the convienece factor was nice because the automatic feeders are awesome and dry food just comes out on a schedule.

Who knows, but after a year or so of pretty much all Royal Canin Dental Dry Food at 34% carbs... maybe, just maybe, it contributed to her going diabetic? Makes ya wonder.

DX in May, recommended to go strictly 100% Glycobalance Wet Food and was told the Glycobalance Dry Food was fine and I was off thinking all is well for food and focused on just sticking to insulin shots twice a day.

Until last week cutting out the Glycobalance Dry and just NOW cutting out the Glycobalance Wet, I feel so much better.

Crazy!
 
Jason - Kona's Dad said:
As kittens, vet recommended Orijen dry. Which is a quality dry, mind you, but dry.
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Orijen is a good quality dry food but carb% is around 20% - although lower than other dry food (35-40%), it is still too high in carbs.

Jason - Kona's Dad said:
Who knows, but after a year or so of pretty much all Royal Canin Dental Dry Food at 34% carbs... maybe, just maybe, it contributed to her going diabetic? Makes ya wonder.
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Have you seen Dr. Lisa Pierson's website?
https://catinfo.org/#Dental_Disease

Of my 2 cats who grew up eating really bad dry food (Whiskas, because I didn't know any better!), only Bandit became diabetic.
 
Looks like she is bouncing from the greens and it's safe to call it a night. You can shoot at your usual time tomorrow morning. If you can switch her to low carb completely, then you might want to try 0.5U tomorrow morning.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Looks like she is bouncing from the greens and it's safe to call it a night. You can shoot at your usual time tomorrow morning. If you can switch her to low carb completely, then you might want to try 0.5U tomorrow morning.
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  • I agree, looks safe to call it a night.
  • Perfect, I'll shoot at 7am.
  • Yes, moving to the low carb completely. Will try to check at 6am and will consider the 0.5U.

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP! =)
 
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