08/26 Mouse PMPS 78, +1 73, +2 73, +3 92, +4 87, +5 105

Phoenix R. said:
That was a nice long stretch of blues and a green!
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I see you stayed up till +6.5 last night! :eek: Once you know she is headed up, like she was in the last 2 PM cycles, you can stop feeding. I know you said she is used to it, but you gradually want to taper it off. Get her into the habit of eating more in the first half of the cycle and not as much (or even not at all) in the second half.

Phoenix R. said:
Now if we could just stop bouncing... :p
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The preshots are always the last numbers to fall in line. Especially the AMPS. The great thing is that she is clearing bounces faster and spending longer and longer stretches of time in blues and greens. And today's AMPS is just barely pink. :-)
 
Bandit's Mom said:
I see you stayed up till +6.5 last night! :eek: Once you know she is headed up, like she was in the last 2 PM cycles, you can stop feeding. I know you said she is used to it, but you gradually want to taper it off. Get her into the habit of eating more in the first half of the cycle and not as much (or even not at all) in the second half.
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I ended up setting an alarm for +6.5 :p courtesy of my paranoia and OCD I needed to see that her BG was starting to go up a little so I could actually sleep. Just so you know when you say it's ok to call it a night I am listening, right now without that reassurance I'd probably not sleep at all, sometimes I just can't shake the OCD telling me I need to get one more test. Poor Mouse is stuck with a crazy mama :p! She only ate 1 more tsp of LC 0% carb ff naturals pate after her numbers started going up last night. I worry if I don't give her anything she'll get hungry and start chewing on the rabbits hay again. Should I start feeding her 2 tsp @ +1,+2, +3 and +4 instead of 1tsp? Can she have dehydrated duck liver snacks in the second half of the cycle or a little ff naturals (0% carbs). I could be wrong but I think we're on the right track if I can get her food and snacks timed right. Did you see that I got a +10 this last cycle and she was still in blue... she jumped up to 305 by +12 (AMPS)
 
She’s bouncing from the bg under 100 and perhaps the late feedings made the bounce higher. Try to feed the first half of the cycle unless the bg is dropping. Clearing them quickly is wonderful!
 
Bandit's Mom said:
The preshots are always the last numbers to fall in line. Especially the AMPS. The great thing is that she is clearing bounces faster and spending longer and longer stretches of time in blues and greens. And today's AMPS is just barely pink. :)
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+2.25 is 320, still from the bounce? I only gave her her usual ½ can LC ff pate for her AM shot meal and 1½ tsp. LC ff pate Snack around +1.
 
tiffmaxee said:
She’s bouncing from the bg under 100 and perhaps the late feedings made the bounce higher. Try to feed the first half of the cycle unless the bg is dropping. Clearing them quickly is wonderful!
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Do I just give her 2tsp instead of 1tsp @+1, +2, +3 and +4? She only had 1 tsp of LC ff naturals pate after her #s started going up at +6.5 and just before her 2 hour fast I gave her 1½ tsp of turkey baby food and a couple/ few little pieces of freeze dried duck liver (+10) she was still in blue.
 
Phoenix R. said:
+2.25 is 320, still from the bounce? I only gave her her usual ½ can LC ff pate for her AM shot meal and 1½ tsp. LC ff pate Snack around +1.
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Yes, looks like she's still bouncing. Take a break from pokes for now. A test in the second half of the cycle (say +9) will give you an advance warning if she decides to clear the bounce and head down by PMPS!

Phoenix R. said:
Do I just give her 2tsp instead of 1tsp @+1, +2, +3 and +4? She only had 1 tsp of LC ff naturals pate after her #s started going up at +6.5 and just before her 2 hour fast I gave her 1½ tsp of turkey baby food and a couple/ few little pieces of freeze dried duck liver (+10) she was still in blue.
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Why do you feed just before the 2 hour fast? A combination of bouncing and insulin action being on the wane can cause numbers to shoot up when you feed.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Yes, looks like she's still bouncing. Take a break from pokes for now. A test in the second half of the cycle (say +9) will give you an advance warning if she decides to clear the bounce and head down by PMPS!
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When should I feed snacks today if I don't test til +9?
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Why do you feed just before the 2 hour fast? A combination of bouncing and insulin action being on the wane can cause numbers to shoot up when you feed.
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Cause she's always hungry then or maybe its just me thinking she's hungry... I believe I need to rethink how I'm feeding her and when, I'm just not sure how to do it right and make sure she's getting enough food... I guess I have been doing this way because I thought because she was on Lantus she was aloud to graze on food during 20 hours and only needed to fast 2 hours each preshot... is it different than that because we're doing TR? I think I need help to figure out an appropriate feeding schedule.
 
How’s her weight?Does she need to gain, lose, or just right? Feeding late in the cycle can lead to shorter duration causing the BG to rise at preshot.
 
Phoenix R. said:
When should I feed snacks today if I don't test til +9?
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Stick to feeding her in the first half of the cycle. In bounce cycles numbers tend to stay flat and high anyway.

Phoenix R. said:
I guess I have been doing this way because I thought because she was on Lantus she was aloud to graze on food during 20 hours and only needed to fast 2 hours each preshot... is it different than that because we're doing TR? I think I need help to figure out an appropriate feeding schedule.
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The no feeding in the 2 hours before preshot is so that you don't have a food-influenced number when deciding whether it's safe to shoot. However, irrespective of dosing method, it is recommended not to feed after the nadir. In cycles where her nadir is later (like when she is clearing a bounce and drops all the way till the end of the cycle) you can feed till +10.
 
tiffmaxee said:
How’s her weight?Does she need to gain, lose, or just right? Feeding late in the cycle can lead to shorter duration causing the BG to rise at preshot.
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I'm not sure... last time she was at the vet she weighed 6.3 lbs. and that was a couple/few weeks ago. I don't know what her ideal weight is. I would say shes probably at a good weight now.
Bandit's Mom said:
Stick to feeding her in the first half of the cycle. In bounce cycles numbers tend to stay flat and high anyway.


The no feeding in the 2 hours before preshot is so that you don't have a food-influenced number when deciding whether it's safe to shoot. However, irrespective of dosing method, it is recommended not to feed after the nadir. In cycles where her nadir is later (like when she is clearing a bounce and drops all the way till the end of the cycle) you can feed till +10.
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Bandit's Mom said:
Stick to feeding her in the first half of the cycle. In bounce cycles numbers tend to stay flat and high anyway.
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I guess I'm confused... when she has bounced she seems to drop off fairly quickly and not
Bandit's Mom said:
Stick to feeding her in the first half of the cycle. In bounce cycles numbers tend to stay flat and high anyway.


The no feeding in the 2 hours before preshot is so that you don't have a food-influenced number when deciding whether it's safe to shoot. However, irrespective of dosing method, it is recommended not to feed after the nadir. In cycles where her nadir is later (like when she is clearing a bounce and drops all the way till the end of the cycle) you can feed till +10.
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So does that mean I can feed til +10 today because I'm assuming she'll clear the bounce in this cycle and continue to drop throughout the day and on the cycles that we start with a lower preshot then she can only eat in the first half of the cycle? I'm so confused...
 
I'm so confused now... I don't know what times specifically or how much to feed her now that I know I've been doing it wrong this entire time... am I understanding correctly that I have to be able to predict how each cycle is going to go to know if I can only feed in the first part of the cycle or feed up to +10. How am I to know how much to feed each time?
 
Google cat weight chart. You will see pictures of underweight, overweight, and just right. My tabby weighs about 8 1/2 pounds. She’s not a big cat. Her sister is good at about 9 pounds and I’m trying to get her to lose 1/2 a pound right now with difficulty.

If used to free feeding some cats do well. You need to figure out her calorie intake and divide it over the course of the cycle or let her free feed if that’s what she’s used to doing. . I would try and feed during the first half of the cycle unless you need to feed to get the bg from dropping under 50.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Google cat weight chart. You will see pictures of underweight, overweight, and just right. My tabby weighs about 8 1/2 pounds. She’s not a big cat. Her sister is good at about 9 pounds and I’m trying to get her to lose 1/2 a pound right now with difficulty.

If used to free feeding some cats do well. You need to figure out her calorie intake and divide it over the course of the cycle or let her free feed if that’s what she’s used to doing. . I would try and feed during the first half of the cycle unless you need to feed to get the bg from dropping under 50.
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With her haircut the way it is to avoid fur shots it's really hard for me to match up how she looks to the pictures on those sites.
I've was feeding her when she was hungry... now I give her certain amounts every hour for the first 4 hours of the cycle because of how much her BG dives, 100 + point drops within an hour or 2 and I was told I needed to try to control those drops by feeding.
My brain isn't cooperative when I'm comes to trying to figure out how many calories she needs and I feed her a couple of different kinds of foods and I don't know if the calorie content is all the same or close enough in those foods. Honestly this is just too much.
I have about 50 other animals that I care for daily (we have a small farm) and it's hard enough to keep track of everything let alone having to come up with a specific dietary plan for Mouse.
 
When you feel her ribs are they really pronounced? That might indicate underweight. Can’t feel
At all which I doubt is the case given her weight would mean overweight. She won’t be as hungry as her bg is more normal more often. Does that help?
 
tiffmaxee said:
When you feel her ribs are they really pronounced? That might indicate underweight. Can’t feel
At all which I doubt is the case given her weight would mean overweight. She won’t be as hungry as her bg is more normal more often. Does that help?
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She's definitely not under weight anymore
 
Bandit's Mom said:
No food bump at +1! What did you feed? Might want to feed a tsp of MC, so she has carbs on board for onset.
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Fed her normal ½ can of LC ff pate.
Do you think ½ tsp of MC would be ok? I had just fed 1½ tsp. LC ff pate after +1... also we're about 20 min from +2
 
Lovely green surf. Call it a night :-)
Don't feed at +10. In fact, don't leave frozen food out. Leave her a little to eat till +6 but that should be enough.
 
What do you think about this?... I can get a +5 in about a half hour and leave her with 2 or 3 tsp. of LC ff naturals after +5 test...
 
She is higher than she was at PMPS and +2 and it's been more than 2 hours since she had higher carbs so there's no danger of her numbers dropping once the carbs leave her system. You don't have to stay up. Get some sleep when you can :-)
 
Bandit's Mom said:
She is higher than she was at PMPS and +2 and it's been more than 2 hours since she had higher carbs so there's no danger of her numbers dropping once the carbs leave her system. You don't have to stay up. Get some sleep when you can :)
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I was only thinking of getting a +5 because I have to finish up a couple of things anyway, is it ok to leave out 3 tsp LC for her to eat til +6 or is that too much?
 
Phoenix R. said:
is it ok to leave out 3 tsp LC for her to eat til +6 or is that too much?
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How much you feed her and when you feed her are 2 different things. How much you feed her depends on her weight and whether she needs to lose/gain/maintain weight. When you feed her has to do with her numbers and timing the feeding when the insulin action is the strongest i.e. before the nadir. The idea is that you want her to spend as much time as possible kin good/normal numbers - not only is it good for her pancreas healing, it also helps her body get used to lower numbers and reduces bouncing.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
How much you feed her and when you feed her are 2 different things. How much you feed her depends on her weight and whether she needs to lose/gain/maintain weight. When you feed her has to do with her numbers and timing the feeding when the insulin action is the strongest i.e. before the nadir. The idea is that you want her to spend as much time as possible kin good/normal numbers - not only is it good for her pancreas healing, it also helps her body get used to lower numbers and reduces bouncing.
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I would say at this point she just needs to maintain
 
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