? 07/22 Mouse PMPS 151, +1 130, +3.5 74, +4.5 77, +5.75 121, +7 156
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Angela & Cleo
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Nice Blues yesterday! And Great Job testing 
Phoenix R.
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Thanks! We're starting day 5 of being back up to .50 units... I hope we're heading in the right direction and won't have to raise the dose again.Nice Blues yesterday! And Great Job testing
Mouse has had a lot of wax in her ears, I've been cleaning them but everyday she has this now and has been shaking her head and scratching her ears and trying to get me to rub her ears when I do her BG tests. I'm not sure if she has an ear infection or maybe ear mites. She has had a bit of congestion I think in her sinuses, I asked the vet about it last time we were there and she said as long as the droplets that come out are clear that we'll just keep an eye on it. Despite not really being able to afford it I called yesterday to make an appointment to get her ears checked and they can't get her in til August 3rd. I took that appointment and have to call the vets office every morning before 8am to see if they have any cancellations to get her in sooner. I had asked if I could just bring in a sample of the stuff from her ears and they said no, they have to see her to test the stuff in her ears. They said that I could pick up revolution plus to treat ear mites but I can't afford to get the revolution plus and still pay for an appointment and AB Otic drops if she has an infection. I'm so frustrated that they can't just let me bring in a sample to find out what's wrong so I can get her the proper meds instead of making her wait. I believe it was the office people that were responding to my initial email that I sent requesting to bring in a sample from her ears.
Do you think her numbers could reflect the possibility that there is an infection?
Angela & Cleo
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Its possible
Just remember that a cat needs as much insulin as he/she needs
. Vets!!!
I'm going to tag Carla @carfurby (GA) who has more experience with this.
Phoenix R.
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I know... It's just that it feels like a victory in a way for me and Mouse when she earns a reduction and feels like we are getting further from the possibility of her going into remission when we go back up in dose and I know it's not about me but for the sake of the little bit of sanity I have left, I really need things to get better.Just remember that a cat needs as much insulin as he/she needs
Angela & Cleo
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Try to Look at it that long stretches of Blues and Greens are the victories! Its important that the cat is healthy
As far as remission goes, Mouse was diagnosed only 2 months ago which is very early in this FD journey. There's always hope for remission. @Diane Tyler's Mom got Tyler into remission after 2 years. And most recently see this https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/6-19-23-sunny-bear-remission.278735/ - another remission after 2 years and 2 months.
Phoenix R.
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I feel like I'm screwing things up somehow... Like maybe I'm feeding her too often or too much in the first part of the cycle I usually give her a snack (1-2 tsp of ff or friskies pate) and then towards the afternoon it around every 3 to 4 hours, I usually give her her snacks after BG test and if I'm not testing as much in a cycle I go wake her up to give her a snack and she'll eat it but should I be waking her up to give her a snack or let her come to me when she's hungry? I feel so dumb sometimes because I'm the kind of person that needs to be told when and how much, like details on how to do these things because I don't trust my understanding of how it needs to be done.
You guys have all been so great, I just feel so lost sometimes
You guys have all been so great, I just feel so lost sometimes
Angela & Cleo
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Then you're in the right place. I think almost all of us have felt that way. Confession... I still do and most recently yesterday for me.
Is Mouse overweight or underweight? You want to make sure that the cat is getting the proper amount of calories for its healthy weight and age from the food you're feeding.
The thing about food smoothing out the curve is all trial and error. Feeding small snacks throughout the day is better for a diabetic cat. Mouse's SS to me looks like typical of one of a newly diagnosed diabetic.
Phoenix R.
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I see those blues and greens and it's encouraging to see and then I see the occasional reds and constant pinks and I start feeling defeated again and I know I need to look at the bigger picture but I guess I don't know how. I'm working on trying to get out of "splitting" (part of my disorder that is proving to be one of the most difficult), the black and white thinking pattern... "Blue and greens! Yay, everything going great, we're doing so well, making progress!"... "Reds and purples
Its important that the cat is healthy
As far as remission goes, Mouse was diagnosed only 2 months ago which is very early in this FD journey. There's always hope for remission. @Diane Tyler's Mom got Tyler into remission after 2 years. And most recently see this https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/6-19-23-sunny-bear-remission.278735/ - another remission after 2 years and 2 months.
we're going in the wrong direction, I must have screwed something up, I'm going to end up screwing things up and she's going to die because I can't just do it right"... Although I realize that some of those thoughts are not reasonable I am currently unable to stop the feelings of doom and gloom that flood in when those thoughts are there. Just wanted to share some insight into part of the mess that is my dysfunctional mind as it's all I have to work with right now, just Incase you ever wonder why I'm such a spaz and a constant worrier, etc.
Phoenix R.
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She was 4.5 lbs. @ DX she was very underweight... I believe it was 3 weeks later when we took her in for recheck she weighed 5.4 lbs and her last appointment (06/28) she was around 5.6 or 5.7 lbs. I'm not 100% sure what her ideal weight is, I know she's always been around 5 or 6 maybe 7 lbs., I keep forgetting to ask the vet what her ideal weight should be. I would say just by how she feels when I pet her she could stand to gain atleast a couple/ few more ounces. She's always been little... When I got her as a very young kitten she fit in the palm of my hand, that's why I named her Mouse
... She didn't have an easy start in life, she was born a farm kitten and the lady asked me to take her because she was afraid she would get trampled by the goats if she stayed there.
Phoenix R.
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What happened with your sugar cat yesterday?
Angela & Cleo
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I LOVE THIS!!! You are so kind.
If so, then don't be overly concerned about over feeding at the moment.
Oh nothing serious. She was in the high 200s for two cycles and I just felt, as we all do at times, completely defeated. In my head I know she was bouncing from the greens the day before, but I still couldn't help feeling sad about it and thinking that I did something wrong. Meanwhile, I KNOW she was just bouncing but try telling that to my emotional side.
Phoenix R.
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I try to help critters when I can
I was originally just going to take this adorable little differently-abled kitten (I named her Stella)with one crippled front leg because we were concerned about her ability to survive on the farm and the lady showed me tiny little Mouse and I didn't hesitate to take them both home. Mouse's sisters name was Stella, sadly we lost Stella last year, she was misdiagnosed with FIP because of her belly looking bloated, we had even gone as far as starting treatment for it but she wasn't improving and we ended up rushing her to the ER vet and found out she had a blockage and likely would not survive surgery even if they could get her stabilized. We made the very difficult decision to end her suffering.
Phoenix R.
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I'm glad it was nothing seriousI LOVE THIS!!! You are so kind.
If so, then don't be overly concerned about over feeding at the moment.
Oh nothing serious. She was in the high 200s for two cycles and I just felt, as we all do at times, completely defeated. In my head I know she was bouncing from the greens the day before, but I still couldn't help feeling sad about it and thinking that I did something wrong. Meanwhile, I KNOW she was just bouncing but try telling that to my emotional side.
I see you are doing the TR protocol, did you start with SLGS and switch? Some here have mentioned because of how often I test maybe I should switch (I don't remember who suggested, please forgive me if it was you) and I'm afraid that there would be more of a chance of me screwing it up. I believe I was told I could switch to TR from SLGS but do you know if I could switch back to SLGS if TR ended up being too stressful?
Angela & Cleo
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TR is more aggressive this is true BUT there are safety protocols in place. There is usually someone on the forum to help you from "screwing up". You can always switch back to SLGS any time you want based on life circumstances. If you find that the too frequent increases are too much for you to handle, then back to SLGS it is . I will say that if the amount of insulin in the syringe is somehting that effects you, then TR may not be the way to go. For TR, I focus more on the colors in the SS and not the amount of insulin in the syringe. The more blue and greens, the better! So if that means we have to go up in dose then so be it.
Also, the reduction point is 50 on a human meter which can be very frightening at first but then becomes addictive.
Remember that you can steer the numbers by feeding different % of carbs.
. I will say that if the amount of insulin in the syringe is somehting that effects you, then TR may not be the way to go. For TR, I focus more on the colors in the SS and not the amount of insulin in the syringe. The more blue and greens, the better! So if that means we have to go up in dose then so be it. Also, the reduction point is 50 on a human meter which can be very frightening at first but then becomes addictive.
Remember that you can steer the numbers by feeding different % of carbs.
Phoenix R.
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I think I'll stick with SLGS for now... It sounds like you'd have to be home and in the house around the clockTR is more aggressive this is true BUT there are safety protocols in place. There is usually someone on the forum to help you from "screwing up". You can always switch back to SLGS any time you want based on life circumstances. If you find that the too frequent increases are too much for you to handle, then back to SLGS it is
Also, the reduction point is 50 on a human meter which can be very frightening at first but then becomes addictive.
Remember that you can steer the numbers by feeding different % of carbs.
do you do it all on your own?
Nimi S
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Don’t feel bad about asking these questions! Some people have balls of steel and may experiment with the feeding pattern on their own, but some people are too nervous, especially at the beginning, and need some handholding - which is perfectly fine too! I don’t think anyone expects you to hit the ground running. If anything, a lot of us start the FD journey on the wrong foot, thanks to all sorts of information from our well-meaning vets
My cat Shen, pre-diabetes, used to sleep through the day and would start begging for food from late evening to early morning. Once he was diagnosed, he was feeling too crummy to even beg for food and would be lethargic and sleeping all the time. So once the insulin started, I had to make sure that I was waking him up for the snacks regardless of whether he wanted them or was hungry or not.
He only started asking for food by himself once he was in better numbers. But I still have to wake him up for snacks during the day. At night, he’s active and keeps waking me up for snacks
I needed tonnes of guidance about the feeding timings and quantities. Once I had some idea of how he’d react to a certain quantity of food, I started playing around with the timing. I still ask every now and then, especially when there’s a dose change.
Phoenix R.
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Thank you... I definitely don't have balls of steel when it comes to this, I just don't know enough yet. Mouse never wakes me up for snacks but I always leave food out for her to eat through the night... I guess I've always done it that way since DX so I know she has food available if her numbers start to get low... of course I end up staying up to test a couple more times anyway...Don’t feel bad about asking these questions! Some people have balls of steel and may experiment with the feeding pattern on their own, but some people are too nervous, especially at the beginning, and need some handholding - which is perfectly fine too! I don’t think anyone expects you to hit the ground running. If anything, a lot of us start the FD journey on the wrong foot, thanks to all sorts of information from our well-meaning vets
My cat Shen, pre-diabetes, used to sleep through the day and would start begging for food from late evening to early morning. Once he was diagnosed, he was feeling too crummy to even beg for food and would be lethargic and sleeping all the time. So once the insulin started, I had to make sure that I was waking him up for the snacks regardless of whether he wanted them or was hungry or not.
He only started asking for food by himself once he was in better numbers. But I still have to wake him up for snacks during the day. At night, he’s active and keeps waking me up for snacks
I needed tonnes of guidance about the feeding timings and quantities. Once I had some idea of how he’d react to a certain quantity of food, I started playing around with the timing. I still ask every now and then, especially when there’s a dose change.
carfurby (GA)
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If you think Mouse may have an ear infection, you can buy this from 1-800-PetMeds.
https://www.1800petmeds.com/zymox+otic+enzymatic+solution+hydrocortisone+free-prod338153.html
It is steroid free so it won't raise BG. Then you won't have to wait for the vet and it may clear up before your appointment.
https://www.1800petmeds.com/zymox+otic+enzymatic+solution+hydrocortisone+free-prod338153.html
It is steroid free so it won't raise BG. Then you won't have to wait for the vet and it may clear up before your appointment.
Phoenix R.
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Thank you .. I'll have to check that out... I know I have some Zymox but not sure if it's that kind...
Phoenix R.
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Looks like it might be a long night ... Wish I had gotten a nap in today
. Shot .50 with PMPS of 151!
Will somebody be around tonight just Incase?
. Shot .50 with PMPS of 151! Will somebody be around tonight just Incase?
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Phoenix R.
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Hoping someone is around tonight... +3.5 is 74...
Phoenix R.
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Wow... So many blues and greens this past pm cycle! It's been a long night, 4am here, time to go to bed for a couple of hours.
Nimi S
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Sorry no one got to you today!
I think it would have been safe to sleep after the +5.75 but I know what it’s like to see greens and blues initially The urge to get one more test in to confirm they’re still going up before shutting shop 
That was a nice PM cycle though, she didn’t go too low in the greens
Good night, hope you rest well!
ETA: You held the fort well on your own!
I think it would have been safe to sleep after the +5.75 but I know what it’s like to see greens and blues initially
The urge to get one more test in to confirm they’re still going up before shutting shop That was a nice PM cycle though, she didn’t go too low in the greens
Good night, hope you rest well!
ETA: You held the fort well on your own!
Angela & Cleo
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Great job surfing those greens and blues!!
Congrats on the reduction. Your new dose is .25
Congrats on the reduction. Your new dose is .25
Phoenix R.
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No worries, I am just grateful she didn't go hypo... Sometimes I have to fight and reason with myself that she'll be fine when I get a test that her BG is starting to head back up but there's been a couple of times, I think only during the day so far that she reached nadir and next test started to go back up and got one more test and her BG dropped again so she's pretty shifty like that at times!Sorry no one got to you today!
I think it would have been safe to sleep after the +5.75 but I know what it’s like to see greens and blues initially
That was a nice PM cycle though, she didn’t go too low in the greens
Good night, hope you rest well!
ETA: You held the fort well on your own!
Thank you!
Side note: I guess I should be glad that our loveseat isn't very comfortable to sleep on so that's where I take my "cat naps" in between tests, atleast I know it's not to cozy so I'll definitely wake up for my alarm!
Phoenix R.
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I didn't see this til a few minutes ago... I did give .50 units this morning. On the 15th Bandit's Mom suggested possibley lowering the earned reduction BG to 70 because she was spending too much time in higher numbers during her week @ .25 . What are your thoughts?Great job surfing those greens and blues!!
Congrats on the reduction. Your new dose is .25
Nimi S
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That makes the two of us! Or is that all of us, I wonder?
I also deliberately sit-sleep on nights when I know I’m going to sleep through the alarms. Self-inflicted torture at its best 
If you decide / have decided on this, you can modify your signature (and SS) to indicate this by adding a few words like ‘SLGS reduction point 70’
ETA: I see Angela beat me to this in your new condo