Food Suggetions in Australia Kidney / Liver/ Pancreas protect for Diabetic Kitty

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Cierra is back to normal and thank you SPECIAL THANKS @@Bron and Sheba (GA):bighug: and THANK YOU SO SOOO MUCH everyone…!!!!!!:bighug: Your every single thoughts , words help us and it means a lot and lot…!!!!

Now I have to feed Cierra and Simba with balance/ good nutrition food. My goal and target is to protect them from illness such as KIDNEY / PANCREATIC/ LiVER and of cause low CARBS . I went through food chart few times but my knowledge is zero about these.

I did buy Garments Delights with Chicken
FF Chicken chunky
Fussy cat chicken with tuna Salmon

now challenge is finding food to protect KIDNEYS/ Pancreatic/ LIVER with low carbs..

I can cook at home .If it will help to them.
What’s is the most healthy food for cats?
 
Din I would put in the subject line you live in Australia and we don’t have all the foods available that the US does.
For example we don’t have any Weruva now which is a real shame as they have a good low carb, low phosphorus line.

Do you think she would eat a raw diet of say chicken and beef or lamb? Do you have much freezer space if you made up a batch of home made food.
 
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Hi Bron , I did change the subject to Australia, yes I have enough space in my freezer. I would love to give raw diet if she does eat. I can try it Bron.
 
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Hi Bron , I did change the subject to Australia, yes I have enough space in my freezer. I would love to give raw diet if she does eat. I can try it Bron.
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If you feed a homemade diet you will need to use a supplement to add to the food to make it nutritionally complete.
Do you think you will have time to make up the food once you are back at work and with a tiny baby?
 
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Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
If you feed a homemade diet you will need to use a supplement to add to the food to make it nutritionally complete.
Do you think you will have time to make up the food once you are back at work and with a tiny baby?
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If home made food is best for kitties I can do it Bron. I found some food call Weruva on Pet circle. Is it the one you were talking earlier ? It does have NEW label.
 
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If home made food is best for kitties I can do it Bron. I found some food call Weruva on Pet circle. Is it the one you were talking earlier ? It does have NEW label.
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Oh that is a surprise. Weruva must be selling in Australia again. that is good news.
Fowl Ball, chicken flick a zee and la Isla Bonita have the lowest phosphorus in the can. And the carbs are ok too.

I am really caught up tomorrow but will get back to you about feeding a home made diet and where to get supplements out here.
Some of the Weruva are a good alternative as well.
 
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Oh that is a surprise. Weruva must be selling in Australia again. that is good news.
Fowl Ball, chicken flick a zee and la Isla Bonita have the lowest phosphorus in the can. And the carbs are ok too.

I am really caught up tomorrow but will get back to you about feeding a home made diet and where to get supplements out here.
Some of the Weruva are a good alternative as well.
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Thank you Bron , no rush, whenever you get a time. I’ll check the website if I can find that above named food . Have a good night Bron:)
 
@Din
Here is a list one of our members put together, I'm not saying your kitty has kidney disease but these will be ok to feed if you can find them
As for wet food for cat that are diabetic and who have kidney disease you can try these
You can check these out from Weruva BFF like

One of our members put it together
BFF play chicken Checkmate
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 129%
BFF play chicken & turkey topsy turvy
Protein 32%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 129%
BFF play chicken cherish
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 135%
BFF chicken & turkey tiptoe
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 136%
BFF chicken duck & turkey take a chance
Protein 32%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 149%
BFF play chicken & lamb laugh out loud
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 154%
BFF play chicken & duck destiny
Protein 32%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 165%
BFF play chicken & beef best buds
Protein 33%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 171%

weruva has low carb and low phospherous wet food
With weruva foods
You want the metabolizable energy profile percentage of carbs to be less than 10%, and the phosphorus which Weruva lists in Minerals to be less than 250 mg per 100 cals. So you have to look at two different places in the Weruva charts.
https://weruva.com
 
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When Weruva was in Australia before, we only got the ‘cats in the kitchen’ range. After a quick look with what Din posted and I looked at Pet circle, stockists, they could possibly be selling another range in their products. Not sure the low phosphorus range is available unfortunately.
I’ll be able to look further in the next few day but can’t today.
 
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@Din
Here is a list one of our members put together, I'm not saying your kitty has kidney disease but these will be ok to feed if you can find them
As for wet food for cat that are diabetic and who have kidney disease you can try these
You can check these out from Weruva BFF like

One of our members put it together
BFF play chicken Checkmate
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 129%
BFF play chicken & turkey topsy turvy
Protein 32%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 129%
BFF play chicken cherish
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 135%
BFF chicken & turkey tiptoe
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 136%
BFF chicken duck & turkey take a chance
Protein 32%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 149%
BFF play chicken & lamb laugh out loud
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 154%
BFF play chicken & duck destiny
Protein 32%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 165%
BFF play chicken & beef best buds
Protein 33%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 171%

weruva has low carb and low phospherous wet food
With weruva foods
You want the metabolizable energy profile percentage of carbs to be less than 10%, and the phosphorus which Weruva lists in Minerals to be less than 250 mg per 100 cals. So you have to look at two different places in the Weruva charts.
https://weruva.com
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Thank you so much @Diane Tyler's Mom . But unfortunately as I can not find BFF in Australia. Do you have any other recommendations can find in Australia?
 
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When Weruva was in Australia before, we only got the ‘cats in the kitchen’ range. After a quick look with what Din posted and I looked at Pet circle, stockists, they could possibly be selling another range in their products. Not sure the low phosphorus range is available unfortunately.
I’ll be able to look further in the next few day but can’t today.
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Thank you Bron , I tried to look BFF but sadly I couldn’t find it at PET circle. No rush at all. Please check it whenever you’re available Bron. Thank you so much
 
Is it okay to give Cooked chicken breast for Few days? (is this can increase pancreatitis?)
 
Hi Din
Sorry I haven't got back to you.
I will be able to hopefully this coming weekend.
Yes you can feed cooked chicken breast for a few days. It won't increase the chance of pancreatitis. The only reason you can't give the chicken breast long term is because it is not complete nutritionally. You would need to add supplements to it...Ill explain that to you hopefully this weekend and where to get things. But in the meantime you can feed her any meat she will eat such as chicken , beef, lamb and pork and kangaroo meat.
If you are not going to cook it, it will need to be frozen for 3 days. If it is cooked there is no need to freeze it first.
 
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Hi Bron , that’s totally fine and understandable . I hope everything is going smoothly with you. I had a box of chicken chunky food, when I checked it it’s empty. My husband also sick and unable to go out for few days . That’s why I thought I will give them COOKED chicken breast . Thank you Bron no need to rush, teach me whenever you have time.:bighug:
 
Sorry to have taken so long in getting this for you Din.
The only foods that I can find that tell us the phosphorus levels here in Australia are the Weruva brand. They are not cheap but we know what the phosphorus levels are.
Another option is for you to try home made food. I have given you a name of a good supplement. Many people sell supplements but they are not complete supplements. This is a good one. Not cheap but good.


Low Phosphorus Foods

Weruva Brand that you can buy on Pet Circle website in Australia

Weruva Classic

Name of food, mgm phosphorus /100 kcals, (the first number after the food name is the amount of phosphorus in the food and that is followed by the carb content. The format will not hold when I post this and it wont let me post it as a link :banghead:

MideastFeast 202 7% carbs

Paw lickin chicken 196 3% carbs

Grandma’s chicken soup 193 20%carbs

Funky Chunky 201 19.5% carbs

Cats pates - cans

Press your dinner 191 4% carbs

Press your lunch 175 5.9% carbs

Pouches

Jeopurrdy licious 187 4% carbs

Family food 191 0% carbs

Cats in the kitchen – cans

La Isla Bonita 166 3.4% carbs

Fowl Ball 180 4% carbs

Chicken Frick a Zee 174 2% carbs

Pouches

Pumpkin lickin chicken 195 (12% carbs)

Love me tender 205 (17% carbs)

Mack Jack and Sam 212 (18% carbs)

Slide and Serve – pouches

Meowiss Bueller 174 6.9% carbs

Cattyshack 211 8.7% carbs

Truluxe

Pecking Ducken 195 (9.1 %carbs)

On the cat wok 163 3.8% carbs

Steak Frites 118 5.5% carbs

Meow me a river 201 1.2% carbs

Glam and Punk 180 0.6% carbs

Unfortunately Weruva does not seem to have the low phosphorus canned foods for sale here in Australia at this point in time


Home made cat food

We don’t have a lot of ready-made supplements here in Australia you can buy. Some of them are not complete supplements.
But there is a very good one in Western Australia that ships all over the country.
Here is the website. It is called Raw Meow Mix.
You can also join their facebook page which is really good, and they will help you a lot.
The owner of the raw Meow Mix runs the facebook page and she is lovely and will help you get started. You just need to buy the meat and cook it if you want to and then add the supplement. The supplement is not cheap, but I think altogether it would be cheaper than buying cans.
The Facebook page is called Australian Raw Fed Cats and you have to ask to join. I asked the owner about Cierra and I said she had early stage kidney issues and she said the Adult RMM would be OK to use. They will send you a sample to try it and see if Cierra will eat it.
I would join and ask questions. They are very helpful and have lots of data to look a.

This is the website of the Raw Meow Mix https://rawmeow.com.au/pages/raw-meow-mix

This is one of the supplement mixes available.
https://rawmeow.com.au/collections/raw-meow-mix/products/raw-meow-mix-low
Another supplement mix:
https://rawmeow.com.au/collections/raw-meow-mix/products/raw-meow-mixq
 
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Good Morning Bron , Thank you so so much for this.sorry yesterday was a hectic day. I’ll join to this Facebook group today and will contact her.. Thank you again for contacting her on behalf of me Bron.
Now I have to worry about her pancreas too. I will look at the weruwa list that you sent me to find the lowest phosphorus item to buy from per circle. I don’t know why I have some feeling pancreatic coming on the way. Is there anything I can stop it Bron. She looks healthy, eating/poo/pee. But she is keep saying something…… even tho it’s hard I can manage to buy weruwa . somehow because it’s monthly amount. But hospital….. I don’t have an another 4000 left Bron. That’s why I really worry. I need to stop getting pancreatic. She did ate lot of fat food last few weeks. I’m sorry I’m typing this and my one eye is sleeping :)
 
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I only put weruva foods on that list I gave you, that will be OK for you to use. So you can use any of the ones I listed. They are all low enough in phosphorus for Cierra.
I also put the carb content beside them all as some are higher than 10% but could be used if Cierra drops low.
There is not a lot you can do to stop a pancreatic flare. Its not the food that does it, it just happens.
I would not feed just fay, but the canned food and a homemade diet would be fine.
I would just try and get some cerenia and or zofran (both antinausea medications) to have at home, in case Cierra loses her appetite again.

Your SS is not up to date. The last 5 days have not been recorded. Are you able to bring it up to date so we can have a look and see if the dose needs increasing please?

Have you joined the raw food facebook page yet? I couldn't see you there.
You don't have to have it raw. You can cook it if you want and add the supplements.
 
Sorry Bron didn’t update it yet because since 4th Cierra doesn’t have a sensor , just bought new one today. Going to set it and update. Because she doesn’t have sensor I gave her food as much as she wants and gave biscuits in the evening in case.

I just sent a request to join to that Facebook group. When I checked that raw food, it said NOT suitable for healthy cat. If you could check Cierra”s blood results she does have SDMA on margin ((14))
I’m trying to stop / protect her without increasing her numbers . So do you think giving low phosphorus is dangerous??


I don’t have cerenia, because doctors refuse to give me Cerenia. I wish I have it, because I can stop her before dehydration.

If anyone is know about blood test results , please check Cierra’s blood test . Because vet didn’t explain much. He said Cierra doesn’t have any problems now. But still I can see Red mark numbers.
 
Good morning Bron, still waiting them to approve my request to Facebook group, I will contact them through their page.
I think I understand what Cierra keep telling me( I’m guessing) she is asking biscuits. And I used to let her enjoy outside around 30 minutes, (backyard/no access to anywhere else) but I stopped her going out because she is eating grass sometimes Little creatures like butterflies. But I better get ready to look after at home, Can I buy Cerenia online? Because my vet doesn’t give it to me. ( I told him I just want to give it to stop dehydration/ and let her eat, then she is not going to weak by the time I’m going to vet. I explained him I can’t come straight away because nobody at home to look after baby and I’m not driving) but didn’t give me Cerenia.

I would prepare with home sub Q fluids too. But I need vet’s permission to do it. I’m trying to give her more water by adding water to her food. Is there anything else I could prepare Bron.

She is not sick . Touch wood . But that fear in my heart every minute I’m awake. I know I should not give that thought to this vision. But same time it’s better to prepare . I never thought my kitties going to be sick because Im giving them expensive food ( while we eat coles home brand food) now I know that expensive food make her sick…..

If you can please ask someone to check her last blood test results. Thinking to do another blood test soon.
 
Din, as long as she is eating you don’t need to worry about cerenia. It is only if she gets a flare up of the pancreatitis.
You can’t buy cerenia online unfortunately as it is a prescription drug.
Why don’t you put your name down at the vet you would like to get into. You said he was full at the moment and there is a waiting list.
If you put your name down, you will eventually get in to see him and he will hopefully give you the cerenia to have at home.
It’s ok if she eats grass.
You could look at buying her some freeze dried food to have as a treat or over the top of her food sometimes.
They are not cheap but you can only give a small amount to her. You would get it at places like Petbarn. Do you have a Petbarn in Dubbo?
https://www.felinenatural.com/collections/freeze-dried

Yes you would need your vets permission to do sub Q fluids. They would only be necessary if she got sick though.
You are doing a great job looking after her.
 
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Thank you Bron I joined to that Facebook group and Messaged to Laura. She said she will get back to me Monday or Tuesday. Im feeling relief when I go through the page.

Yes we have a pet barn in Dubbo . Definitely I’ll buy this treats.

Sure, I will list my name as soon as they open Bron. Thank you so much Bron.I’m trying my best. Specially you make This hard time easy for me Bron…!!!
 
I didn't realise the Low phosphorus mix was so high in carbs...26%. That is no good for diabetics.
Have you placed the order yet?
Did you tell the lady she was a diabetic?
 
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They don't use bone for the calcium but use calcium carbonate which, it is my understanding, will overall lower the amount of phosphorus.
Did Antonia suggest getting the transition pack you posted above? that looks a good start. Then I would go with the adult lamb or adult chicken Mix not the low phosphorus one which is 26% carbs
 
Yes she suggested that. I just ask phosphorus percentage. Lamp and chicken meaw mix got 0.9 % so she said it’s ok for early stage. Only difference is protein levels. Yes I’m going to place an order for lamb and chicken Thank you Bron..!!!
 
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Yes she suggested that. I just ask phosphorus percentage. Lamp and chicken meaw mix got 0.9 % so she said it’s ok for early stage. Only difference is protein levels. Yes I’m going to place an order for lamb and chicken Thank you Bron..!!!
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I think that is a good idea Din. Phosphorus 0.9% is OK and then you just have to add the meat.
Are you going to get a trial pack first to see if Cierra will eat it?
 
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She didn’t mention about a trail pack . Shall I ask? And also how I know phosphorus level on meat I buy from coles ? :banghead:,
Meat phosphorus + meaw mix phosphorus will give deferent percentage. Is t it?
 
Hi Bron I received my parcel today , Cierra loves Lamb freeze dried complete meal LAMB. Simba also likes it. ( sometimes he changes his mind ) I placed the order for next few weeks. Bron Is below nutrition level is okay for Cierra ?
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Din said:
Hi Bron I received my parcel today , Cierra loves Lamb freeze dried complete meal LAMB. Simba also likes it. ( sometimes he changes his mind ) I placed the order for next few weeks. Bron Is below nutrition level is okay for Cierra ?
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They are giving the amount of phosphorus as g/kg, so I can’t compare it with the mg/kcals. I would ask Antonia on the raw food fb page. She will tell you.
Is the lamb feeeze dried complete meal a supplement you 0add to the meat?
Is this what you bought?
https://rawmeow.com.au/collections/...eals/products/complete-meal-freeze-dried-lamb
 
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I did ask her. AS mean “as fed” . DM mean “dry matter basis ”
Phosphorus level is 0.9% (I did ask last time. )
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Is that kcal consuming is too high? I have to feed at least three to four meals. 192*3 . Is kcal level is high ? Because Cierra does get pancreatic?
 
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Is that kcal consuming is too high? I have to feed at least three to four meals. 192*3 . Is kcal level is high ? Because Cierra does get pancreatic?
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I think it should be fine. The 'per kcal' is the amount of phosphorus in the food.
Is the food you got from Raw Meow going to be expensive?
I thought you were going to get the supplement and add it to meat you were going to buy.
 
Yes Bron it’s expensive, I thought I’ll buy it if all nutrients are according to Cierras requirements , i bought raw meaw mix and slowly I’m going to introduce it to them. Still my mind is here and there . When phosphorus and carbs low fat is high. When fat is low something else high. It’s really complicated for me because I couldn’t read anything until finished with the baby .
 
I think if you buy raw meat such as chicken, beef pork and lamb to cook and don't add extra fat you should be fine. And then add the supplement.
 
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I think if you buy raw meat such as chicken, beef pork and lamb to cook and don't add extra fat you should be fine. And then add the supplement.
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Okay Bron,I’ll do that way . I do have raw meaw mix supplements from last order . I did not try yet ( I have to buy lamb. I kept feed them cans I have buy before. Cierra now doesn’t like chicken. Probably I’ll try it tomorrow.
 
Are you cooking the meat?
You could try beef mince that is 10% fat from Woolworths. Just make sure it is fresh and is not close to the use by date.
 
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Sorry for late reply Bron, yes I’m definitely going to cook the meat , because I’m not confident with the other process yet, I will try later. Okay I’ll make sure NOT to give any meat closer to best before date.
I’m thinking to give Breakfast Raw meaw freeze dried complete meal, lunch cooked meat + supplement, dinner not sure yet , what do you think about Purina hydration? both of them not drinking water . They only get what I add to their meals.
 
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