PMPS 103 @+12, 103 @+13, 124 @+14, 174 PMPS 3.25U, +2 287, +10 401

Yes, I gave him some more of his dry food ( so he's had about half his dry for the day) and few freeze dried salmon, after I tested. Going to test again shortly, I know he hits nadir pretty early, I'm watching him.

Forgot the previous post link, will add it above.

Deb
 
Yes. Let's see where he is at +4

Has anything changed in his diet in the last few days?

Not as far as the ratio of food he gets!

I gave him some no carb Young Again treats yesterday, but they didn't replace any of his regular food volume.

I was very careful with the dose too, ensuring it was .25, not .5 on the increase up.

Deb
 
@Bandit's Mom

Could he still have been bouncing
Yes. Let's see where he is at +4

Has anything changed in his diet in the last few days?

+4 is 79

This is when he gets a fish or chicken stew packet, normally I add water and split it between the 3 of them, but today I gave him his own. Its got some carbs, so

Do we think the increase was too much?
I mean, I'm happy for greens, but, wow...

Deb
 
He is still in safe numbers but has earned a reduction back to 5U!

Ok thanks Bhooma, you read my mind!! was going to ask that after checking the SLGS notes!!

I know he's in a safe zone, but wow, I don't think his natural fasting BG was ever that low before DX!

(The SLGS is still relatively new to me, my last DM cat was TR for 2 years until he had an IBD and ECG flare up, and then I had to custom dose based on diet, prednisilone, and all the abx he was on).

Thank you for your help, you're a blessing!

Deb
 
Yes, you can take a break from tests and get a +7 :)
Go easy on the carbs now. Feeding carbs later in the cycle can reduce duration and exacerbate bounces.

Will do. There's a tiny bit of YA in the bowl, I usually don't give him the rest of his dry food until shot time, try to balance that at insulin time.

This is when he goes to nap, and if he comes around hangry around 3 its a freeze dried snack and then the small amount of wet he eats at 4:30. Then nothing until 7pm insulin, unless his numbers dictate otherwise.

Thank you again, I'm going to take care of myself now!

Deb
 
Yes, you can take a break from tests and get a +7 :)
Go easy on the carbs now. Feeding carbs later in the cycle can reduce duration and exacerbate bounces.

+7 is 97

I figure if I test at +10, that may give me a better view on where he's heading for PMPS, and I'll ask more questions based on that number, even though I have a feeling he's going to trend up between +8 and +9ish.

Deb
 
I just checked him at +9.5 and he's at 102, normally he'd be much higher. I'm just being proactive before 7pm rolls around.

Obviously under 150 I will skip the dose, but can a give a partial later in the first few hours of the cycle if it rises over 200?

Thank you,
Deb
 
Why would you skip the dose under 150? With SLGS, there are two sections to the part on shooting lower numbers than you are used to. The first part is for new people, and since this is your second sugar cat, I wouldn't put you in that category. Plus you do a great job testing and it's been over a month since you started. People following SLGS can lower their shot number to as low as 90 once they have the data and ability to monitor.

You might want to get a +11 and post again for help. It might become moot by then.
 
Why would you skip the dose under 150? With SLGS, there are two sections to the part on shooting lower numbers than you are used to. The first part is for new people, and since this is your second sugar cat, I wouldn't put you in that category. Plus you do a great job testing and it's been over a month since you started. People following SLGS can lower their shot number to as low as 90 once they have the data and ability to monitor.

You might want to get a +11 and post again for help. It might become moot by then.

Hi Wendy,
Thanks for replying,
I just checked him and he's 96, and getting hangry lol.. +11.25

I am so nervous right now, because this is very unexpected. I didn't see the second part for dosing in the SGLS, going to look now.

TY
Deb
 
Look for the paragraph starting "with experience". Having said that, and since this is new for Sly, a reduced dose is an option, as is waiting a while to see if his numbers come up further.
 
Look for the paragraph starting "with experience". Having said that, and since this is new for Sly, a reduced dose is an option, as is waiting a while to see if his numbers come up further.

Can I feed him at his normal time, or wait..?

He was waiting by his dish when I came up with the laundry.. Lol
 
From the SLGS dosing method
Until you collect enough data to know how your cat will react, we suggest following the guidelines in the FDMB's FAQ Q4.4:
Q4.4. My cat's pre-shot level was way below the usual value. Should I give the injection?
A4.4. There's no hard and fast rule, but if you don't have data on how your cat responds to insulin, here are some general guidelines.

  • Below 150 mg/dl (8.3 mmol/L), don't give insulin.
  • Between 150 and 200 (8.3-11.1 mmol/L), you have three options:
    • a.) give nothing
    • b.) give a token dose (10-25% of the usual dose)
    • c.) feed as usual, test in a couple of hours, and make a decision based on that value
  • Above 200 (11.1 mmol/L) but below the cat's normal pre-shot value, a reduced dose might be wise.
  • In all cases, if you are reducing or eliminating insulin, it's wise to check for ketones in the urine.
  • Above the normal pre-shot value, give the usual dose, but if the pre-shot value is consistently elevated, it's a good idea to schedule a full glucose curve to see whether a change in dose or insulin is appropriate. In most cases, the target "peak" value should not be below 100 mg/dl (5.6 mmol/L), and for some cats it might be higher.

You can stall for 20 minutes and see if he is going up.
Are you in a position to monitor all night if necessary. And do you have high carb food and honey or Karo to give if necessary.
Whatever you do, the first half of the cycle will be influenced by the depot of the previous cycle.
 
I would wait. You want a PS that is not influenced by food.

He's actually not that interested in food. I offered him some and he ate a few, just wants love. I'll wait another 30 minutes and test again. I had started a new thread at PMPS.

Thank you for your support,
Deb
 
From the SLGS dosing method
Until you collect enough data to know how your cat will react, we suggest following the guidelines in the FDMB's FAQ Q4.4:
Q4.4. My cat's pre-shot level was way below the usual value. Should I give the injection?
A4.4. There's no hard and fast rule, but if you don't have data on how your cat responds to insulin, here are some general guidelines.

  • Below 150 mg/dl (8.3 mmol/L), don't give insulin.
  • Between 150 and 200 (8.3-11.1 mmol/L), you have three options:
    • a.) give nothing
    • b.) give a token dose (10-25% of the usual dose)
    • c.) feed as usual, test in a couple of hours, and make a decision based on that value
  • Above 200 (11.1 mmol/L) but below the cat's normal pre-shot value, a reduced dose might be wise.
  • In all cases, if you are reducing or eliminating insulin, it's wise to check for ketones in the urine.
  • Above the normal pre-shot value, give the usual dose, but if the pre-shot value is consistently elevated, it's a good idea to schedule a full glucose curve to see whether a change in dose or insulin is appropriate. In most cases, the target "peak" value should not be below 100 mg/dl (5.6 mmol/L), and for some cats it might be higher.

You can stall for 20 minutes and see if he is going up.
Are you in a position to monitor all night if necessary. And do you have high carb food and honey or Karo to give if necessary.
Whatever you do, the first half of the cycle will be influenced by the depot of the previous cycle.

Yes I have all the hypo emergency goodies. I could monitor, but I'd have to set an alarm to watch him closely.
I'm going to check him again in a few minutes.
 
I've moved your two threads of the day into one. We prefer to see one thread per day, so people comment on just the one thread, and so all the information for the day is in one spot.

@Bron and Sheba (GA) You can see from the earlier posts (now that the threads are merged), you will see Deb isn't new to DM, just new with this kitty.
 
I've moved your two threads of the day into one. We prefer to see one thread per day, so people comment on just the one thread, and so all the information for the day is in one spot.

@Bron and Sheba (GA) You can see from the earlier posts (now that the threads are merged), you will see Deb isn't new to DM, just new with this kitty.

I was just wondering what kind of magic you did with that post merge!! :)
 
You can see from the earlier posts (now that the threads are merged), you will see Deb isn't new to DM, just new with this kitty.
Thanks Wendy. I didn’t realise there was another thread and I wasn’t sure who was around. And I wasn’t aware Deb was experienced. I was really just looking in to see if anyone needed help before I went out so I’ll leave her in your very capable hands, but will look in later to see how things went.
 
I've moved your two threads of the day into one. We prefer to see one thread per day, so people comment on just the one thread, and so all the information for the day is in one spot.

@Bron and Sheba (GA) You can see from the earlier posts (now that the threads are merged), you will see Deb isn't new to DM, just new with this kitty.

At +2 he's 124, so now obviously I know he needs "something", but how much? Just nervous from that nadir earlier, I'm not looking to get risky until he has better consistency with his numbers.

Would 2.5U be too much this far into the cycle?

I'm ok with him trending a little high for a few cycles.

And I need to get him to eat too, he went back to sleep.

Deb
 
You can stall as late as it's OK for you to shoot 12 hours after this shot. You can get back on schedule by 15 minutes a cycle or 1/2 once per day.

As far as how much to shoot, it's a bit of an experiment. The depot will still guide the first part of the cycle. Shooting a half dose should be OK if you can at least check one more time tonight. Shooting late also acts a bit like a reduction.
 
You can stall as late as it's OK for you to shoot 12 hours after this shot. You can get back on schedule by 15 minutes a cycle or 1/2 once per day.

As far as how much to shoot, it's a bit of an experiment. The depot will still guide the first part of the cycle. Shooting a half dose should be OK if you can at least check one more time tonight. Shooting late also acts a bit like a reduction.


Oh ok, so I can wait to shoot, as long as I'm able to shoot 12 hours later, and then gradually close the gap 15 minutes per cycle to return to the original dose time.

Is that correct?
 
Yes, if you shoot two hours late now, your shot would be 2 hours late tomorrow morning, but you can either go back to 1.5 hours late tomorrow AM and the following day's AM. Or you can be 1.75 hours later than normal tomorrow morning, then 1.5 hours later tomorrow PM.
 
Yes, if you shoot two hours late now, your shot would be 2 hours late tomorrow morning, but you can either go back to 1.5 hours late tomorrow AM and the following day's AM. Or you can be 1.75 hours later than normal tomorrow morning, then 1.5 hours later tomorrow PM.


Ok got it.

His number is just spooking me out.

I don't want to skip, because I've been there before, and I know how the number can creep up super fast.

I'm just checking the heater for my shelter kitties and then I'll grab another reading, and decide on the dose. I'll be awake for awhile and depending on his numbers at bed time, will set a few alarms if I think I need to monitor overnight.

I work from home, so I can maneuver the dose time shift over this week.

Deb
 
I know, I was elated. For me it was perfect. His pre DX BG values were always between 89 and 115. I'd just rather be safe than sorry.

I think the 5.25 was a bit too much, and maybe I need to let the 5 settle longer. Either way I am anticipating wonky numbers til we're back on track.

I'll follow up in a few, going to check now.
 
174 was how much later than his usual shot time? 3 hours?

You want to put "103 @+12, 103 @+13, 124 @+14, 174 @+15" in your PMPS cell so folks know you shot 3 hours late tonight.
 
If he's eating more of the YA and less of the DM, that could also explain the lovely run of numbers today.

At +2 he was 287, I was expecting it. I think we'll be ok through the night, I hear him in there crunching away as I type.

He gets the same amount of each measured out daily, it's a little bizarre lol.. I have been making a conscious effort to feed him his dry meals primarily with his injections. When my last sugar boy fell out of TR because of an IBD flare up, he needed some dry food to balance him out, and that worked for him, so I figured, why not try it with Sly.

What a day of greens though, he made me proud :D

I was more shocked that he didn't rise in the +9. +10 range!!
 
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