09/15 Eddie AMPS 256 +3 311 PMPS 380 +2.75 274 +5 250

Re: comments on yesterday's thread

The nice thing about Levemir is its long duration and more gentle action.

The bad thing about Levemir is its long duration and more gentle action LOL

Truthfully it's no different than Lantus, it just can stretch past those nice 12 hour marks (but then, so can Lantus sometimes).

Brains work differently, but I wouldn't necessarily say a wheel. I would say it's more like those old school transparencies from grade school (the ones teachers put on the projector). You have 3 different transparencies - one with a Lev curve for a normal cycle, one for a bounce cycle, one for a bounce break. Depending on what Mr Eddie decides to throw at you, you pick two of the transparencies to overlay on each other. Say you get the bounce break one, followed by a normal cycle. The first curve is more of a long slide down with a +14/15 nadir then a rise (which overlaps onto the second transparency), but the second transparency still starts at the 12 hr mark and they overlap a bit. Ten the second transparency takes over and you get a more typical smile curve.

(This would be so much easier to explain visually :joyful:)
 
I get confusion and some frustration in your posts, I would be too, as I have no experience with Lev. I saw Eddie had a low blue of 135 yesterday, in fact, he surfed blue most of the AM right? But he then bounced and may yet be bouncing. You are doing a great job of managing both kitties, don't beat yourself up, please!!! At some point, a pattern will begin to develop, plus, he will adjust to the low numbers. Hang in there!:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
The action of Lantus and Levemir can look quite similar. The only difference, if you are drawing a linear graph of the BG numbers, is that the point in the cycle when the numbers start to go down can be a couple hours later than it is with Lantus. Similarly, the lowest point or bottom of the curve (nadir) can be a couple hours later, and similarly the duration (length of time the insulin lowers the BG) can also last a couple hours longer. When I say "a couple hours", it's not exactly two hours, there can be some variability from cycle to cycle and more importantly, from cat to cat.

If you overlayed the linear graph of the BG numbers from a Lantus curve to a Levemir curve, they would look similar, with the only difference being that it just takes a bit longer on a Levemir cycle for things to get started after the shot. And as Melissa said, that also means it lasts longer too. I also agree that pictures would be so much easier!
 
FrostD said:
Re: comments on yesterday's thread

The nice thing about Levemir is its long duration and more gentle action.

The bad thing about Levemir is its long duration and more gentle action LOL

Truthfully it's no different than Lantus, it just can stretch past those nice 12 hour marks (but then, so can Lantus sometimes).

Brains work differently, but I wouldn't necessarily say a wheel. I would say it's more like those old school transparencies from grade school (the ones teachers put on the projector). You have 3 different transparencies - one with a Lev curve for a normal cycle, one for a bounce cycle, one for a bounce break. Depending on what Mr Eddie decides to throw at you, you pick two of the transparencies to overlay on each other. Say you get the bounce break one, followed by a normal cycle. The first curve is more of a long slide down with a +14/15 nadir then a rise (which overlaps onto the second transparency), but the second transparency still starts at the 12 hr mark and they overlap a bit. Ten the second transparency takes over and you get a more typical smile curve.

(This would be so much easier to explain visually :joyful:)
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Oh, I have to say I really like the transparencies model. I do recall them and you could plot a graph depending on the overlaps at significant points of the two sheets.
The thing about the wheel, for me, is that it also overlaps on the tread it leaves and the while the cycle is 360 degrees, one revolution, the starting and end points are part of a continuum. It's hard to explain because it means going forward involves more than a single revolution...that onset and nadir are more than 360 but have extended range.
 
Tiger(GA) and Ruth said:
I get confusion and some frustration in your posts, I would be too, as I have no experience with Lev. I saw Eddie had a low blue of 135 yesterday, in fact, he surfed blue most of the AM right? But he then bounced and may yet be bouncing. You are doing a great job of managing both kitties, don't beat yourself up, please!!! At some point, a pattern will begin to develop, plus, he will adjust to the low numbers. Hang in there!:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Let me just say: :)
 
Wendy&Neko said:
The action of Lantus and Levemir can look quite similar. The only difference, if you are drawing a linear graph of the BG numbers, is that the point in the cycle when the numbers start to go down can be a couple hours later than it is with Lantus. Similarly, the lowest point or bottom of the curve (nadir) can be a couple hours later, and similarly the duration (length of time the insulin lowers the BG) can also last a couple hours longer. When I say "a couple hours", it's not exactly two hours, there can be some variability from cycle to cycle and more importantly, from cat to cat.

If you overlayed the linear graph of the BG numbers from a Lantus curve to a Levemir curve, they would look similar, with the only difference being that it just takes a bit longer on a Levemir cycle for things to get started after the shot. And as Melissa said, that also means it lasts longer too. I also agree that pictures would be so much easier!
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Yes, I really like these images (even if we don't have actual pictures). I think my bicycle tire analogy coincides with the capacity of Levemir to take a little longer; that is, instead of one turn of the wheel, the onset, nadir and duration can take 1.5 turns, for example....
 
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