09/13---PHOEBE--amps--303, @5.25-94, @6-64, +7-102, pmps--341, +6.75-301

eva eva said:
I just checked Phoebe--94......should I check in another 1/2 hour? It is a normal number

@Diane Tyler's Mom
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yes anytime you get a number that is much lower than your previous test, you want to test again within 30-60 minutes (sometimes sooner) to get an idea if the BG is rising or still dropping.

If still dropping, you might need to take action with some medium or higher carb food.
 
now you know your cat better than I do but if it were me, I would do low to medium carb food, something like 10-15% calories from carbs. but this depends on how the cat responds to carbs, every cat is different

it is a balancing act. You don't want to shoot the BG back up, ideally just get it to stop dropping and stay in the "normal cat" range of about 60-120
 
Hendrick Cuddleclaw said:
now you know your cat better than I do but if it were me, I would do low to medium carb food, something like 10-15% calories from carbs. but this depends on how the cat responds to carbs, every cat is different

it is a balancing act. You don't want to shoot the BG back up, ideally just get it to stop dropping and stay in the "normal cat" range of about 60-120
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ok... I gave 1 tsp of the chunky extea gravy. I believe it has 13 Carbs.
Hendrick Cuddleclaw said:
why's that, what was the number? gravy food is typically HIGH carb and usually should be avoided unless you really need to bring that BG up quickly, like if you got a number under 50 for example
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Ok. she ate about 3/4 half of the gravy. I will check her in another 30-45 minutes. I gave it to her because of the 94 to 64 in 45 minutes. the other day she did the same thing--only at night. Which I stayed up to ensure she would "surf". You are probably right though....maybe i could have sat tight and test in another 1/2 hour.
 
eva eva said:
ok... I gave 1 tsp of the chunky extea gravy. I believe it has 13 Carbs.


Ok. she ate about 3/4 half of the gravy. I will check her in another 30-45 minutes. I gave it to her because of the 94 to 64 in 45 minutes. the other day she did the same thing--only at night. Which I stayed up to ensure she would "surf". You are probably right though....maybe i could have sat tight and test in another 1/2 hour.
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Oh she definitely needed some food imo, to stop the drop. But not necessarily gravy food. It is possible she would have been good on just low carb food, who knows.

It is so hard to have the courage to let them surf in the lower numbers, the first couple times I got lower numbers I panicked and fed high carb food immediately. I was so scared. But over time, it becomes more normal and less scary and you start to learn how much food to give, and what carb %, to keep them from dropping but also not shoot way up.
 
you are right. I panic. Hopefully, the numbers won't go too high. And you are right again, I need to let her stay in the lower numbers.... Now with my SS reflecting the human meter it isn't as scary. Baby steps.


Hendrick Cuddleclaw said:
Oh she definitely needed some food imo, to stop the drop. But not necessarily gravy food. It is possible she would have been good on just low carb food, who knows.

It is so hard to have the courage to let them surf in the lower numbers, the first couple times I got lower numbers I panicked and fed high carb food immediately. I was so scared. But over time, it becomes more normal and less scary and you start to learn how much food to give, and what carb %, to keep them from dropping but also not shoot way up.
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Good catch! Phoebe earned another reduction. Your next dose is 1.75u. With time, data and information on what % carbs work (or don’t) you’ll be more comfortable. Sometimes too it depends on when you see the drop in the cycle which determines what % carb to reach for. Depending on how carb sensitive you find Phoebe to be (which you learn by gathering data) you may find early drops in the cycle and steep drops may warrant higher carbs while later in the cycle when presumably the dose is waning would likely require LC.
 
Christie & Maverick said:
Good catch! Phoebe earned another reduction. Your next dose is 1.75u. With time, data and information on what % carbs work (or don’t) you’ll be more comfortable. Sometimes too it depends on when you see the drop in the cycle which determines what % carb to reach for. Depending on how carb sensitive you find Phoebe to be (which you learn by gathering data) you may find early drops in the cycle and steep drops may warrant higher carbs while later in the cycle when presumably the dose is waning would likely require LC.
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Ok, at +5.25 --94 this is a part where she may be going up. at the +6 -- 64 she was still dropping, hence warranting the tsp of 13-14% tsp carb. At +7 she is 102. should

I check one more time? or that is all until the pmps......shich will be the 1.75units.
 
Christie & Maverick said:
Nadirs can and do move around. As Kyle and I mentioned it takes time to get a feel for how your cat responds to insulin and carbs. Nothing wrong with feeding a tsp of the 13-14% but maybe next time try a teaspoon or two of a higher LC and see if that works.

You should be fine waiting until pmps unless you are curious.
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I think I will wait till the pmps. It gives her a break, and allows time for things to settle.
I have stopped all Friskies party mix. I have a lower carb dry kibble out. I think Diane Tyler figured it was 14%. And they are eating it. I Still have one kitty that loves the friskies party mix and will eat that sooner than moist. He got a small hand of it this am on top of the moist.....stubborn kitty.--picked it off and got very little moist.....of course Jack picked up the slack and had more moist.
 
eva eva said:
I have stopped all Friskies party mix. I have a lower carb dry kibble out
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If Phoebe isn't eating any of the party mix get rid of that and replace it with the name of the other dry food. Wasn't that the Wellness Core Original Dry?

Question was answered on the Chewy site
Wellness core original says
What percent is carbohydrate?
Answer by • Mar 25, 2021
This recipe has a carbohydrate content of 13.04% on an as fed basis and 14.17% on a dry matter basis.


Eva if you ever need a higher low carb option I forgot which one it was look at the food chart, I'm pretty sure it wasn't a pate but I do know it was 6% carbs
https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/dr-pierson-new-food-chart.174147/

Which Fancy Feast Pates is Phoebe eating?

It's good to note in the remarks section on the spreadsheet what you had to feed ( how many carbs ) to bring Phoebe's BG up so you can look back to see what you fed and how it worked ,so when it happens again you can look back and see what you fed


@eva eva
 
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Congrats on the reduction! Sorry I wasn’t around but glad you get help. Phoebe is doing really well. While under 90 always earns a reduction for the next cycle, it’s not super low on a human meter. So experiment next time and see what mc does first. It’s all trial and error to see what works.
 
I found this that one of our members posted just in case no one is around

Here is an easy guide to what to feed and when

60 and above: low carb food (less than 10% carb)
Between 50 and 59: medium carb food (between 10-15% carb)
49 and below: high carb emergency food (16% carb and higher)
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
If Phoebe isn't eating any of the party mix get rid of that and replace it with the name of the other dry food. Wasn't that the Wellness Core Original Dry?

Question was answered on the Chewy site
Wellness core original says
What percent is carbohydrate?
Answer by • Mar 25, 2021
This recipe has a carbohydrate content of 13.04% on an as fed basis and 14.17% on a dry matter basis.


Eva if you ever need a higher low carb option I forgot which one it was look at the food chart, I'm pretty sure it wasn't a pate but I do know it was 6% carbs
https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/dr-pierson-new-food-chart.174147/

Which Fancy Feast Pates is Phoebe eating?

It's good to note in the remarks section on the spreadsheet what you had to feed ( how many carbs ) to bring Phoebe's BG up so you can look back to see what you fed and how it worked ,so when it happens again you can look back and see what you fed


@eva eva
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It is the Wellness Core original. But she doesn't eat much. I have put more of her FF in her bowl. But she shares it with Jack---16lber. But he is eating the Instinct. at $44 I can't throw it out or let Petco throw it out. When he comes around I put a small handful for him. He doesn't like being on a diet....hahaha.
as far as the FF pate---salmon, ocean feast, sometimes liver and turkey, cod-shrimp-, chicken, I change it up every day so they don't get bored.
when Phoebe went low the other night and today, I gave her Friskies Turkey meaty bits with extra gravy. I scooped out the gravy with a few bits of meat--chopped the meat and gave a teaspoon of it- 14% carbs. then waited an hour and checked--she came up to 102. which is blue--but still a good number. Then I waited till her pmps.
I have friskies also in my pantry as I have 3-4 feral kitties outside that get fed twice a day with none other than the Friskies party mix. Of course, they love the party, but they love the moist. Today I actually put out FF liver and chicken--as Phoebe shunned it. they gobbled it up. So I may switch everyone over. The cost may be an issue. I look at the food chart ---I buy more pate now than gravy.
 
eva eva said:
It is the Wellness Core original. But she doesn't eat much. I have put more of her FF in her bowl. But she shares it with Jack---16lber. But he is eating the Instinct. at $44 I can't throw it out or let Petco throw it out. When he comes around I put a small handful for him. He doesn't like being on a diet....hahaha.
as far as the FF pate---salmon, ocean feast, sometimes liver and turkey, cod-shrimp-, chicken, I change it up every day so they don't get bored.
when Phoebe went low the other night and today, I gave her Friskies Turkey meaty bits with extra gravy. I scooped out the gravy with a few bits of meat--chopped the meat and gave a teaspoon of it- 14% carbs. then waited an hour and checked--she came up to 102. which is blue--but still a good number. Then I waited till her pmps.
I have friskies also in my pantry as I have 3-4 feral kitties outside that get fed twice a day with none other than the Friskies party mix. Of course, they love the party, but they love the moist. Today I actually put out FF liver and chicken--as Phoebe shunned it. they gobbled it up. So I may switch everyone over. The cost may be an issue. I look at the food chart ---I buy more pate now than gravy.
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Try not to feed a lot of FF Fish Flavors because of the mercury
Maybe twice a month
Did you try the FF Beef, Beef & Liver, Chicken&Beef?
I found the higher low carb ones
Roasted/Flaked/Chunky are OK look at the food chart some are 4% and 6% carbs
Maybe Miss Fussy will like those :p

Also
Fancy Feast Classic Chopped Grill Feast Pate
 
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Hendrick Cuddleclaw said:
that's a keeper. Good note
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I think I asked this before. how do I bookmark and keep these
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Try not to feed a lot of FF Fish Flavors because of the mercury
Maybe twice a month
Did you try the FF Beef, Beef & Liver, Chicken&Beef?
I found the higher low carb ones
Roasted/Flaked/Chunky are OK look at the food chart some are 4% and 6% carbs
Maybe Miss Fussy will like those :p

Also
Fancy Feast Classic Chopped Grill Feast Pate
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I will try these. I have to write them down and then go to the store. There is limited FF out there. Chewy--I have to buy in cartons. not bad. unless she hates it.
I think I tried the beef, though, she wasn't a fan. but maybe she was having a bad day.
I bought a couple cans of the Wellness, and Weruva --see if I can get all of them to like something.

It is tough. I should just print out the chart on all the available ones we have and get creative.
 
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