8/16 Herman amps 279 +2 169 +3 175 +4 94 +5 68 +10 115 pmps 349 boing

Been reading up on “feeding the curve”…I feed him almost hourly most days during first half of cycle anyway. He spends so much time in bounces so I need to get better at this and experiment at % of carbs i guess. At least he doesn’t seem to bounce as high anymore, wish they would clear quicker.
 
Amy & Herman said:
Been reading up on “feeding the curve”…I feed him almost hourly most days during first half of cycle anyway. He spends so much time in bounces so I need to get better at this and experiment at % of carbs i guess. At least he doesn’t seem to bounce as high anymore, wish they would clear quicker.
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That's quite a drop. Did you feed a little LC after the +2 test? Bhooma always suggested that to me with Cleo.
 
He’s actually quite upset. Growling at me (I did pick him up and put him at food and that always has a 50% chance of spaz out). I shut his cat flap. That makes him angry too. Drops do stress him out. I gave him a bit lc (5-6%purina pro plan dm) and a couple pure bites. I may have no choice but to wait an hour to test. Or longer. Wish me luck that he calms down. When he goes into feral mode he’s like a different cat. He can be the most docile cat one minute, but when he’s mad, watch out. He’s always had this feral side to him.
 
It's possible that the sharp drop is making him restless. His body has gotten used to higher numbers so lower numbers and especially drops will make him feel strange. If he is hungry, feed a little more LC at +6.5
 
Bandit's Mom said:
It's possible that the sharp drop is making him restless. His body has gotten used to higher numbers so lower numbers and especially drops will make him feel strange. If he is hungry, feed a little more LC at +6.5
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Ok so withhold food until +6.5 if possible? Or lc at +5 when I attempt a test as well?
 
+5 68 gave lc….and still super grumpy. If I can’t get a +5.5 might need to just give mc to be safe. Fingers crossed. He’s hissing up a storm. :nailbiting:
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Feed some LC again at +5.5 if you can't get a test. Feed the DM. I think it may help him surf.
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So something brewing in my head….is my 6% purina pro plan dm not lc? I’ve been mostly treating it as such. I say mostly because I will purposely avoid it on days he’s really high and opt for 0-3% ff and tiki cat. I think I read anything under 10 is considered lc…and 10-15ish is mc? I have a 15% gravy lovers ready to go if needed.
 
Also he is walking around growling and hissing…something he will do when I don’t let him outside…but I think also due to stress. Hoping to get a test in 5 min but looking very unlikely. May need to do mc for safety.
 
I’ve never seen him so distressed before he’s actually screaming when I try and do a test howling he even peed himself a little bit when I tried to restrain him but he is hungry and he had a luck or two of mc before I attempted test I’m hoping he will go have some more MC because I don’t know what else to do. I can’t get anywhere near him so I’m hoping he’ll go to the can of mc I left out for him.
 
He is eating mc now. I literally can’t get anywhere near him. This makes me so sad. I hope he’s going to be ok. What a time to not be able to test.
 
Rereading hypo symptoms. Aggression is on the list. I don’t see him having any other symptoms. There would literally be no way for me to get him in to his carrier to get to vet right now. I guess I just need to keep hoping he will eat mc every 20 minutes or so until he calms down enough to test. IF he calms down enough to test. I feel like it’s an impossible situation.
 
Angela & Cleo said:
How's Herman? Has he calmed down?
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I can’t get close to him but he just had more mc with a drop of karo to be safe since I can’t test and he didn’t growl or hiss at me when I walked by (previous he was growling if I got within 5 feet). He just went to his “private spot” vs stalking prowling and growling on the main floor., maybe that’s a good sign? I pray I can test in 20 minutes but seems highly unlikely. If I can’t test will feed more mc. This will be the second …maybe third, need to review my notes, time that he has become very aggressive at low numbers. This is by far the worst episode. If I can’t test at greens how can I do TR. I’m very upset, poor Herman.
 
Amy & Herman said:
So something brewing in my head….is my 6% purina pro plan dm not lc? I’ve been mostly treating it as such. I say mostly because I will purposely avoid it on days he’s really high and opt for 0-3% ff and tiki cat. I think I read anything under 10 is considered lc…and 10-15ish is mc? I have a 15% gravy lovers ready to go if needed.
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Yes. DM is LC. Below 10 is LC, 10-15 is MC and over 15 is HC.


Amy & Herman said:
This will be the second …maybe third, need to review my notes, time that he has become very aggressive at low numbers. This is by far the worst episode. If I can’t test at greens how can I do TR. I’m very upset, poor Herman.
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How far in the cycle are you now?
 
We are at 6.5. I gave mc with a drop of syrup 15 minutes ago and he is a different cat, I got a 6.4. No hiss no growl.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Yes. DM is LC. Below 10 is LC, 10-15 is MC and over 15 is HC.



How far in the cycle are you now?
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Whoops my last message I meant to reply to you. See thread. At 115 after mc and karo drop 15/20 min ago. Aggression has stopped. For now. The aggression at +5.5-+6 was unreal he was trying to attack dm and my dog and growled hissed and yowled if I got anywhere near him. Poor herm.
 
Oh Amy :bighug:
As he gets used to lower numbers his behavior will improve. Cleo was a basket case when she first saw greens. I was beaten up A LOT (still am sometimes btw but she reserves the beat downs for limes:blackeye:). I understand how anxious you must feel. @Bandit's Mom PLEASE CORRECT ME if I'm reading this wrong, it seems to me that on a bounce breaking cycle Herman might benefit from a tsp or two of higher end LC @+1 and @+2 to help slow the drop at onset and help "feed the curve". Other more experienced members will hopefully chime in.
 
Angela & Cleo said:
, it seems to me that on a bounce breaking cycle Herman might benefit from a tsp or two of higher end LC @+1 and @+2 to help slow the drop at onset and help "feed the curve".
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Yes, maybe next time you get a drop like you did at +4, you can feed a mix of LC with a little MC.

He had slowed down at +5 even with LC. You don't want to carb him up too much also.
 
Angela & Cleo said:
Oh Amy :bighug:
As he gets used to lower numbers his behavior will improve. Cleo was a basket case when she first saw greens. I was beaten up A LOT (still am sometimes btw but she reserves the beat downs for limes:blackeye:). I understand how anxious you must feel. @Bandit's Mom PLEASE CORRECT ME if I'm reading this wrong, it seems to me that on a bounce breaking cycle Herman might benefit from a tsp or two of higher end LC @+1 and @+2 to help slow the drop at onset and help "feed the curve". Other more experienced members will hopefully chime in.
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I am a pretty decent cat wrangler….and there was 0 chance of getting a test during that hour. So I have no way of knowing how low he got but I must assume he went lower based on his behaviour. Absolutely shocking like he was possessed.
 
Sleeping at +7 176 drop of karo was fed just under an hour ago so I think that must be almost out of his system. Will check him again at +8. He’s exhausted that took a lot out of both of us. No way of knowing if he went too low but I guess either way I hold the dose and expect a bounce.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I suspect he made have experienced a symptomatic hypo with those symptoms even though he wasn’t under 50. If I am right he might be more sensitive to insulin. I wonder if you should take a reduction to play it safe as you can go back up if it fails. @Bandit's Mom @Wendy&Neko
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Ok will see what others say. But playing it safe sounds good to me. :( He was literally possessed by a demon. Poor thing.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I suspect he may have experienced a symptomatic hypo with those symptoms even though he wasn’t under 50. If I am right he might be more sensitive to insulin. I wonder if you should take a reduction to play it safe as you can go back up if it fails. @Bandit's Mom @Wendy&Neko
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Honestly I didn’t think aggression was a hypo trait. I had read the list of symptoms many times and have printed out around my house! but my brain skipped over that part. I was looking for lethargy, wobbling etc. I reread the list while he was going crazy and saw it there at the bottom of the list of moderate hypo.
 
Amy & Herman said:
Sleeping at +7 176 drop of karo was fed just under an hour ago so I think that must be almost out of his system. Will check him again at +8. He’s exhausted that took a lot out of both of us. No way of knowing if he went too low but I guess either way I hold the dose and expect a bounce.
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I am curious….if he was at 176 at +7 should I still check +8 or leave him alone. Do they ever double dip into greens?
 
tiffmaxee said:
I think it can make them disoriented and that can make them aggressive. It’s probably rare. I had that once with Max and he was a docile cat. I might be wrong.
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Herman is mostly dog-like. Very brave, often by my side. Goes for walks. Hangs out while I do chores in barn. Bosses the dog around. Loves visiting other cats and homes on the property. But he hates being “man-handled”. Whether cuddled to hard or picked up at the wrong time. Or groomed when not in mood. He gets mad. So he’s not “docile” but hes mostly very agreeable on his terms. Once I figured for ear pricks and shots to not restrain him we’ve had no problem. He only protests when he doesn’t want to sit still. There’s no point trying to get an ear prick when he wants outside or is playful. Otherwise he doesn’t acknowledge the pricks if eating, sleeping or relaxed. Today was something different. June 19 and 25 he was also aggressive in the greens. I had my sister to help me test him but it was horrible. He screamed no lashed out. I think I need to accept that aggression is one of his symptoms of hypo and try to avoid getting there while still trying to surf the green. When he is aggressive like that I think I have to accept that I need to bump him up quickly and foresake a good green surf in the interest of safety as he cannot be tested in that state. heres hoping he gets more comfortable in the greens!
 
Amy & Herman said:
I am curious….if he was at 176 at +7 should I still check +8 or leave him alone. Do they ever double dip into greens?
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176 at +7 is safe enough to give him a break. Yes, they can double dip into green after the carbs have worn off. But considering he is well over 100 and it's later in the cycle, you may be good.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
176 at +7 is safe enough to give him a break. Yes, they can double dip into green after the carbs have worn off. But considering he is well over 100 and it's later in the cycle, you may be good.
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Thanks Bhooma. I might then give a poke while he’s still sleeping and if still safe rest him until pmps. I appreciate your helps as always! A scary day, I must sound insane. I should have taken a video of the terror.
 
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