Help please!! Second fur shot in a row ?? Urgent.

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Alicia2022

Alicia2022

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Bella's injection are currently done by my husband because I'm about to depart for a trip abroad tomorrow and he wants to make sure is capable of doing them. I supervise him. We shaved two spots on her flanks (not completely, still some very short fur).
Yesterday night we increased her dose to 1.5 unit (after a visit to the vet).
My husband used a u-40 syringe with shorter needle (we just bought them). After the injection, I touched Bella's skin and the injection spot was wet. I know that you are never supposed to inject twice so I let it be.
At +4 she tested HI.
Today, he used our original u-40 syringe with a longer needle. I looked closely what he was doing. All needle was in the skin. After the injection, all looked okay until I touched that place! I saw a lot of liquid again, I obviously squeezed it back out of her skin just by touching.
Why it is so??? What should I do ??? How to avoid this ???
Please help!!!
 
Alicia2022 said:
I saw a lot of liquid again, I obviously squeezed it back out of her skin just by touching.
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I have never heard of this happening with insulin. I have had liquid leaking out with sub-q fluids, of course, but those needles are much larger and this is to be expected. I'm not sure what to say? I guess don't touch it anymore after an injection (I know today you wanted to check the area after the previous fur shot, so I completely understand.) I'm sorry for these difficulties because I know it's stressing you out in a big way. I'm wondering if you just noticed it because of the shaved area and speculating that, when people claim that they think they did a "partial fur shot" and feel a little wetness on their fur or smell a little insulin on them that this is exactly what is happening? I would just say try not to touch the area and that your husband will definitely get the hand of the injections... just give it time. How's the testing going?
 
Oh, and I don't think I ever saw whether you said that your husband would be able to post here for help/advice while you are away.
 
Thank you, Suzanne. We'll avoid touching from now on. I didn't test her today because she was HI after the possible fur shot yesterday night. Will try to test later today.
Is he doing it at a wrong angle probably?
We hadn't figured out the sensor yet, will we buy one or not, but we got a prescription from the vet for it.
 
Could you put FS (fur shot) and PFS (possible fur shot into the cell with your number of units -- for yesterday and today?
 
Teetee (UK) said:
I was just wondering Alicia, could it be that your husband is depressing the plunger as he's starting to insert the needle instead of depressing the plunger when the needle is completely under the skin.
I've done that before and now i don't even touch the plunger until the needle is in place, then inject.
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Exactly, I was wondering if the needle was all the way in when the plunger was depressed? Well, it's a little bit of an "art" learning how to give the injections. It becomes second nature and takes only seconds after a while, but it's rough at the beginning for people who have never given injections before. And isn't her skin very thin, Alicia?
 
Teetee (UK) said:
I was just wondering Alicia, could it be that your husband is depressing the plunger as he's starting to insert the needle instead of depressing the plunger when the needle is completely under the skin.
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He hold his finger on the plunger, yes, that's bad, and I told him not to do so, but he says (and I kind of see it) that he isn't depressing the plunger until the entire needle is in.
Suzanne & Darcy said:
And isn't her skin very thin, Alicia?
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Yes, that's another possible reason, but what can we do with this?
Could the thin skin and this leaking be a sign of dehydration?
 
Alicia2022 said:
He hold his finger on the plunger, yes, that's bad, and I told him not to do so, but he says (and I kind of see it) that he isn't depressing the plunger until the entire needle is in.

Yes, that's another possible reason, but what can we do with this?
Could the thin skin and this leaking be a sign of dehydration?
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I am not sure about the dehydration but you could check by pulling up the scruff and seeing how quickly it goes back. Also check gums to make sure they are pink and should be slick to the touch and not to dry.

As far as shooting goes, maybe you could try and shave another spot like the side of chest? I shaved both sides of chest for Abbott because my wife is left handed and said she had a hard time with the angle on his right side. Might just be the angle and or location on the body that has your husband flustered…
 
Alicia2022 said:
He hold his finger on the plunger, yes, that's bad, and I told him not to do so, but he says (and I kind of see it) that he isn't depressing the plunger until the entire needle is in.

Yes, that's another possible reason, but what can we do with this?
Could the thin skin and this leaking be a sign of dehydration?
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I can't say about the skin condition Alicia, has your vet seen it?
As for keeping your finger on the plunger, even the slightest bit of pressure on the plunger when inserting the needle can eject the insulin without you even knowing as your too busy concentrating with giving the shot, i've done it myself but now i just hold the barrel and don't touch the plunger until i'm ready to shoot.
Also it's failsafe just in case they move during the shot.
 
Could also be he is shooting directly through to the other side. This can happen if you insert the needle to far up and not at the base of the tent where it needs to be.

this is a pic of what NOT to do:
 
AbbottTheCat said:
Could also be he is shooting directly through to the other side. This can happen if you insert the needle to far up and not at the base of the tent where it needs to be.

this is a pic of what NOT to do:
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Thank you all so much for the helpful suggestions!
Bella's skin is a bit slow to relax back after the pinch, but her gums are pink and wet, she drinks consistently and isn't constipated. I'm sure there is some degree of dehydration present because of diabetes and extremely hot weather.
Her +4 is 599. I'm glad I was able to test but these numbers are discouraging.
 
Alicia2022 said:
Thank you all so much for the helpful suggestions!
Bella's skin is a bit slow to relax back after the pinch, but her gums are pink and wet, she drinks consistently and isn't constipated. I'm sure there is some degree of dehydration present because of diabetes and extremely hot weather.
Her +4 is 599. I'm glad I was able to test but these numbers are discouraging.
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We had a big problem with Duke being dehydrated because he wasn't drinking enough and what he ate didn't give him enough fluids so what we do is to make sure he gets enough fluid everyday.
We add water to his food and also syringe water into his mouth to give him a total of 320mls daily on the vets advice.
They say a cat should have about 50/60 mls per kilo of body weight and Duke weighs 6 kilo.
This 320mls includes the fluid in his food.
Since we've been doing this his hydration has been fine plus no more dandruff.
 
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