? 02 -24 Panzer PMPS 100/101 ACTING OFF/85@+3.5/98@+8

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Chrispooky12 said:
Oh my I wasn't paying attention & Panzer had him some baked ziti & bread & butter:joyful: he's killing me:smuggrin:
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Suzanne & Darcy said:
Is Laura your sister? I can't remember if you mentioned her before?
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She knows how to everything that I do for Panzer if I ever need her to, she doesn't want to but she will if something was to happen & I couldn't take care of him for some reason.
 
Chrispooky12 said:
I gave him D-Mannose with his insulin feed, he's supposed to have his MiraLax the next feed then his antibiotic the one after that. Do you think it's okay to give him the probiotic with his antibiotic same time?
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I'm so sorry to hear about Panzer. Yes, you can give a probiotic, but give it a few hours after the antibiotic; if not, the antibiotic will cancel the effects of the probiotic if that makes sense.
 
Panzer had his 2nd dose of Zeniquin @+8 feeding & his 2nd dose of D Mannose @+8 feeding. He pooped & peed, he moved spots in the litter box once before peeing no crying & I actually heard him peeing & he peed alot. I normally hear him peeing but haven't until a little bit ago today. The litter boxes were an easier scoop than usual tonight more so in the poop box then the pee box. Yes they are weird & prefer to pee in one box & poop in the other not always, I do find both in both boxes. Hopefully we have a good sleep until it's time for test feed & insulin in 3 &1/2 hrs.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
I'm so sorry to hear about Panzer. Yes, you can give a probiotic, but give it a few hours after the antibiotic; if not, the antibiotic will cancel the effects of the probiotic if that makes sense.
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Makes sense he will have his 2nd dose of Boulardi probiotic with his AMPS feeding, he just had his antibiotic @+8 PMPS feeding. Thank you:bighug:
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Do you think you will be able to even give him the Bupe? I don't know how hard he is to handle. Buprenorphine needs to be kind of squirted (I say squirted but it is a TINY TINY amount) onto the gums to be effective. It is absorbed through the mucus membranes of the mouth (the gums) so it's best to try to shoot the oral syringe with the tiny amount of Bupe into the corner of their mouth where their cheek is (kind of in the corner of the jaw, if you can just slip it in there) and squirt. In some cats, it's almost impossible to get it into what they call the buccal pocket (inside cheek). Now, having said that... I have had some of these impossible cats and I managed to squirt it into their mouth and not so perfectly inside the cheek onto the gums... it still had some effect, so it must have absorbed in there somewhere! It is not absorbed through the GI tract like most meds.
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@Suzanne & Darcy is there another antibiotic for UTI? I just got off the phone with a vet tech, she's going to talk to him about the buprenorphine & a possible urine culture & different antibiotic. I got some urine @AMPS it was negative for ketones.
 
I’ve found D Mannose to be helpful even when there is no bacteria present, when it’s just plain old cystitis. Somehow the D Mannose removes irritants from the bladder that can cause painful peeing or even blood even when there is no bacteria present. Wishing you the best!
 
Chrispooky12 said:
@Suzanne & Darcy is there another antibiotic for UTI? I just got off the phone with a vet tech, she's going to talk to him about the buprenorphine & a possible urine culture & different antibiotic. I got some urine @AMPS it was negative for ketones.
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There are many different antibiotics that are prescribed for urinary tract infections. If the vets had done a urine culture (which honestly does not always yield a result) they would have known what to prescribe. I don’t know if doing a culture now would yield much since he has already been on antibiotics for a while. But, I suppose that, if the Zeniquin is not killing the bacteria it might show that? It is hard to know what to do at this point, but if he doesn’t improve soon I would take him back to the vet. I am glad that you were able to speak with a tech who will convey what is going on to the vet.

Hopefully the D-Mannose will be soothing to his bladder and (while it doesn’t kill bacteria) will still be able to provide some relief of symptoms.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
I’ve found D Mannose to be helpful even when there is no bacteria present, when it’s just plain old cystitis. Somehow the D Mannose removes irritants from the bladder that can cause painful peeing or even blood even when there is no bacteria present. Wishing you the
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Suzanne & Darcy said:
There are many different antibiotics that are prescribed for urinary tract infections. If the vets had done a urine culture (which honestly does not always yield a result) they would have known what to prescribe. I don’t know if doing a culture now would yield much since he has already been on antibiotics for a while. But, I suppose that, if the Zeniquin is not killing the bacteria it might show that? It is hard to know what to do at this point, but if he doesn’t improve soon I would take him back to the vet. I am glad that you were able to speak with a tech who will convey what is going on to the vet.

Hopefully the D-Mannose will be soothing to his bladder and (while it doesn’t kill bacteria) will still be able to provide some relief of symptoms.
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Okay we are about to go to a new vet, he has to be there in an hour. What should be done? I made a new post but figured since your on I would ask you on here.
 
Well, give them the whole history of what’s been going on with Panzer. Do you have copies of his labs to show them? That would be good. List all his medications. Tell them about the Convenia shot and the Zeniquin obviously. See if the new vet wants to do a urinalysis and if he/she thinks there’s any point in culturing the urine after he has already been on two different antibiotics (I am thinking they may want to wait until all antibiotics are out of his system.)
 
They can switch antibiotics and then send off for culture and if the culture shows the new antibiotic is effective against whatever it is then good. If not, then they’ll know what to prescribe.
 
The reason I say that is not every cat has that problem with Clavamox. I have loads of cats and about half cannot take Clavamox and the other half can with no problems at all
 
Ask them what to do if he really has a GI upset on Clavamox. Ask them if you can return the unused portion of the Clavamox if he can’t take it. My vet will take them back because they’re in these little sealed foil individual packets.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Do they have any suggestions on how to minimize GI upset?
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I don't think they are going to send it off but they checked it right there in the office & it took awhile to get the results. He did a full exam & said he has no pain in his abdomen & that not to worry about the pancreatitis, he doesn't believe he has it by the exam & there waiting for the other vet to send his records & bloodwork. I haven't even gotten the email for bloodwork yet. I showed him Panzer's spreadsheet & the labs that I had on there & talked about the FDMB. He likes his BG #s & wants him to stay on the fancy feast for now. He also said something about if his #s stay as good as they are now then we would talk about remission but wants to leave things as is for now. I won't be taking him off insulin without the FDMB guidance, but I had to let him think he knows what he's doing Lol. I really liked him & I think they are going to work out. He goes back on March 11th & he wants me to bring a clean catch of urine & we will go from there. He named the type of bacteria but I can't for the life of me remember what he said.
 
I don’t see how the guy can know what the bacteria is without growing a culture. Unless he just said he has a lot of cocci in his urine(which means they can see that it is bacteria and what shape it is so they can guess.). They can guess from looking under tje microscope by shape of the organism. Cultures are where you send off the uri e and they grow it in a laboratory - think petri dish - to see what grows and then they do testing of it to see which antibiotics kill it the best (that’s the susceptibility/sensitivity part of the C&S test.). Anyway, I think Clavamox is a good choice as long as it doesn’t make Panzer sick to his stomach. We will hope for the best. Good job on paying attention to his continuing symptoms and getting him back to the vet.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
I don’t see how the guy can know what the bacteria is without growing a culture. Unless he just said he has a lot of cocci in his urine(which means they can see that it is bacteria and what shape it is so they can guess.). They can guess from looking under tje microscope by shape of the organism. Cultures are where you send off the uri e and they grow it in a laboratory - think petri dish - to see what grows and then they do testing of it to see which antibiotics kill it the best (that’s the susceptibility/sensitivity part of the C&S test.). Anyway, I think Clavamox is a good choice as long as it doesn’t make Panzer sick to his stomach. We will hope for the best. Good job on paying attention to his continuing symptoms and getting him back to the vet.
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That was the name he said cocci yes that is what he saw. He died want to do the buprenorphine because it's an injectable & he doesn't think a pharmacy would give it for a cat. He doesn't think he is any pain. Panzer hissed & growled at him & even tried to reach out & claw him but that's how he acts at the vet whether hes sick or not. Thank you I will do anything I possibly can to help my baby, hopefully the clavamox will work for him!
 
Cocci are any round bacteria. That gave him a general idea of the type of bacteria. He probably would not want to send it off for a culture because you have to have a sterile catch which means you can’t do it at home in a cup. But this will save you money anyway. Glad you like the new vet! Keep us posted on Panzer.
 
So sorry I missed all of this. Clavamox seems to work for a lot of cats. It gave Ruby diarrhea and she stopped eating for a few days so it's on her chart not to give it to her anymore. Hope it works really well for Panzer! And isn't it a relief to find a vet you like? I mean, why does it have to be so hard?
 
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