11/15 Tansi AMPS 202, +4 236, PMPS 277, +3.5 184

Cindy loves Tansi

Cindy loves Tansi

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Good morning

So grateful to let you know that I think and hope Tansi has turned a corner. When I saw him first thing, he was sitting by his food dish waiting. He had a few bites, walked around, ate some more, perched on the side of the couch while I had breakfast. Now he is on bed but I think the meds make him sleepy.
Getting refills today
Fingers crossed
His usual face is back too.
 
Thank goodness. Small amounts often, even if he wants to eat a lot. Dealt with pancreatitis for years and still my vet every time reminded me if they eat too much at one time they feel yucky.
 
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Max was on ondansetron and cyproheptadine for a couple of months the first time. When he seemed normal I would cut back and he would eat less. Sometimes it would be just a week. It can last a long time but if supported they can act fine and feel okay. :bighug:​
 
tiffmaxee said:
Max was on ondansetron and cyproheptadine for a couple of months the first time. When he seemed normal I would cut back and he would eat less. Sometimes it would be just a week. It can last a long time but if supported they can act fine and feel okay. :bighug:​
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I just called the clinic to remind them about my request for those two meds. This is my fourth reminder call about it, because I find the squeeky wheel gets the grease. I am quite certain the receptionists take turns when they see my name on the call display. Lol lol
 
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Hi everyone, update
Finally 7 phone calls later, got refill on bupenorphine
Ondesterone will arrive tomorrow
Cypraheptadine was not given, but will get it if ondes doesn't help

Tansi is not feeling well and we are back to syringe feeding. I am super hoping the ondes does the trick

I spoke with the specialist. She says that if he doesn't start eating, we should consider a feeding tube, something they would put in, and then food and meds through that. Any thoughts or experiences?

Then due to inflammation they noticed in intestines during ultrasound, they did a gi panel. I will get those results sent to me because now its hard to remember what she said. The highlights were she said his pancreatic enzymes were not that high which sometimes happens. But need another ultrasound to rule out if they missed anything the first time (what omg) And b12 low normal. So now she wants to do another ultrasound and aspiration biopsy to make sure its not lymphoma. Sigh.
I have just been thru this with my other ibd cat

In line with this ibd suspicion, when he is well she would like to switch his .diet to a prescription food, a hills diet brand. The carbs are sround 17 percent so fine for diabetes (!). You see that is only a few points higher than their special diabetic food that is 14 percent carbs. I am too tired to go thru that conversation with her at this time.

Any input appreciated
Thanks for taking time out of your day for us.
 
I think feeding tubes can take a lot of stress off. I've never used one, but plenty of people here have. I just know there's rules on flushing it and stuff. I'd give the new meds a day or two to work and then make the decision

As for IBD...no no no to special food. In fact, raw diet may be cheaper at that point. Tags are broken right now, will try to tag Katherine in a minute.
 
Also, the vet said that to learn more about the etube, there is a site called kitty korner where I can read up on the topic.
It turned out to be a website promoting the collar that holds the etube in place.
Thank god I know how to google and can get information myself.
I am completely aghast
 
One step at a time. A feeding tube night be a good idea. It will be easy to feed and medicate. I’ve never had one but others here have to get past pancreatitis. Deal with the diet later I agree. If so,why pancreatitis it’s not necessary. If IBD you know about that. Sometimes a novel protein eaten works just as well or better. You can do a raw or cooked homemade diet.
I agree about giving the medication a few days to work before rushing to more tests or a tube.
 
As for the ultrasound...I'd tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine

Not really but I'd say wtf were you looking at the first time, no way I'm paying for another, you can do it at no cost (idk how things work in canada). Or perhaps not another ultrasound but radiologist needs to look at it again
 
FrostD said:
I think feeding tubes can take a lot of stress off. I've never used one, but plenty of people here have. I just know there's rules on flushing it and stuff. I'd give the new meds a day or two to work and then make the decision

As for IBD...no no no to special food. In fact, raw diet may be cheaper at that point. Tags are broken right now, will try to tag Katherine in a minute.
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I am looking at raw diet for some time too. I will NEVER feed my cats a prescription diet again. When I brought up raw with my other ibd cat, the vet said no no, the prednisone makes them super vulnerable to food borne illness.
 
FrostD said:
As for the ultrasound...I'd tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine

Not really but I'd say wtf were you looking at the first time, no way I'm paying for another, you can do it at no cost (idk how things work in canada). Or perhaps not another ultrasound but radiologist needs to look at it again
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Hahahaha
Thinking the same, wtf
 
tiffmaxee said:
One step at a time. A feeding tube night be a good idea. It will be easy to feed and medicate. I’ve never had one but others here have to get past pancreatitis. Deal with the diet later I agree. If so,why pancreatitis it’s not necessary. If IBD you know about that. Sometimes a novel protein eaten works just as well or better. You can do a raw or cooked homemade diet.
I agree about giving the medication a few days to work before rushing to more tests or a tube.
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Yes, thanks for input. Im not rushing into a surgery until im certain other options exhausted. But I am open to the idea.
 
Max stopped eating completely when he got pancreatitis. I was lucky I guess that he didn’t have IBD or lymphoma but the first vet wanted to do exploratory surgery I think I told you. The radiologist said all was normal. He never got either. I lost him to chf and possibly fluid overload from being treated for ckd more than 7 years later.

You are right I think to not rule out anything. One step at a time.
 
An esophageal feeding tube pretty much saved my boy's life when he was in DKA. I found it very easy to use. If it comes to that, I would do it all over again, but he was not eating at the time and had hepatic lipidosis as a result of not eating (even though I had him in the hospital and was sounding the alarm DAILY about how many days since he had last eaten and how dangerous that was).
 
Did they do a biopsy before. If they get a tissue sample via endoscopy (depending where the inflammation is if they can reach via endoscopy) would they be willing to start Prednisolone? This can be a total game-changer. First order of business is to get Tansi eating again - and I'm not telling you anything you don't know. How much experience do you have with IBD or Lymphoma. You mentioned your other cat. I'm hoping you already know the drill. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
tiffmaxee said:
One step at a time. A feeding tube night be a good idea. It will be easy to feed and medicate. I’ve never had one but others here have to get past pancreatitis. Deal with the diet later I agree. If so,why pancreatitis it’s not necessary. If IBD you know about that. Sometimes a novel protein eaten works just as well or better. You can do a raw or cooked homemade diet.
I agree about giving the medication a few days to work before rushing to more tests or a tube.
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Thank you
Helps to have your support
 
tiffmaxee said:
One step at a time. A feeding tube night be a good idea. It will be easy to feed and medicate. I’ve never had one but others here have to get past pancreatitis. Deal with the diet later I agree. If so,why pancreatitis it’s not necessary. If IBD you know about that. Sometimes a novel protein eaten works just as well or better. You can do a raw or cooked homemade diet.
I agree about giving the medication a few days to work before rushing to more tests or a tube.
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Thank you
Glad you concur
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
An esophageal feeding tube pretty much saved my boy's life when he was in DKA. I found it very easy to use. If it comes to that, I would do it all over again, but he was not eating at the time and had hepatic lipidosis as a result of not eating (even though I had him in the hospital and was sounding the alarm DAILY about how many days since he had last eaten and how dangerous that was).
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Ok, good to know that
 
tiffmaxee said:
Max stopped eating completely when he got pancreatitis. I was lucky I guess that he didn’t have IBD or lymphoma but the first vet wanted to do exploratory surgery I think I told you. The radiologist said all was normal. He never got either. I lost him to chf and possibly fluid overload from being treated for ckd more than 7 years later.

You are right I think to not rule out anything. One step at a time.
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Poor baby
It's so hard
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Did they do a biopsy before. If they get a tissue sample via endoscopy (depending where the inflammation is if they can reach via endoscopy) would they be willing to start Prednisolone? This can be a total game-changer. First order of business is to get Tansi eating again - and I'm not telling you anything you don't know. How much experience do you have with IBD or Lymphoma. You mentioned your other cat. I'm hoping you already know the drill. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Yes I sure do know the drill and still working to solve.
But yes, first order of business is eating, I cant get to far ahead of things.
Thanks
 
As for the raw - there's some best practices to avoid food borne illnesses, it's really not all that hard. Just not sure what cost you'd be looking at in Canada. Hopefully Katherine pops in
 
Sorry about everyone having trouble tagging me @Suzanne & Darcy @FrostD!

You should deal with one problem at a time. If he does have IBD, then a novel protein diet would be good, but if he has SCL then novel protein will do nothing at all. The most important thing is to get him to eat, even if it's high carb food right now, and you adjust insulin accordingly. Then when you're not in crisis mode and you have a more definitive diagnosis then you can switch to raw if you'd like. I love feeding raw. Ruby's been eating raw for 9 months and on prednisolone for almost 6 months and she has never been better. She has gotten a few URIs since the pred suppresses her immune system, but if you buy your raw meats from a reputable distributor or grind your own following good food safety practices, there will be no better food for your cats. Food is more bio-available in a raw state, and therefore the cats body absorbs more of its nutrients. Cats who are sick need to eat raw more than healthy ones. I wish I had started mine on it much sooner.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
Sorry about everyone having trouble tagging me @Suzanne & Darcy @FrostD!

You should deal with one problem at a time. If he does have IBD, then a novel protein diet would be good, but if he has SCL then novel protein will do nothing at all. The most important thing is to get him to eat, even if it's high carb food right now, and you adjust insulin accordingly. Then when you're not in crisis mode and you have a more definitive diagnosis then you can switch to raw if you'd like. I love feeding raw. Ruby's been eating raw for 9 months and on prednisolone for almost 6 months and she has never been better. She has gotten a few URIs since the pred suppresses her immune system, but if you buy your raw meats from a reputable distributor or grind your own following good food safety practices, there will be no better food for your cats. Food is more bio-available in a raw state, and therefore the cats body absorbs more of its nutrients. Cats who are sick need to eat raw more than healthy ones. I wish I had started mine on it much sooner.
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Thank you very much for that input. I have been seriously considering a raw diet for my other ibd cat so it would be easy to feed the others the same. I have an appointment with a feline nutritionest next week to discuss. There is also a holistic vet who advocates raw in my city. I knew my vet would poo poo the idea.
 
Cindy loves Tansi said:
Thank you very much for that input. I have been seriously considering a raw diet for my other ibd cat so it would be easy to feed the others the same. I have an appointment with a feline nutritionest next week to discuss. There is also a holistic vet who advocates raw in my city. I knew my vet would poo poo the idea.
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The feline nutritionist will also likely poo poo the idea while a holistic vet would be totally behind it. My civvie has suspected IBD and I switched both of my cats to raw and they both love it. It's so easy to prepare as well and can be less or just as expensive as high quality commercially prepared canned food, except you know exactly what is in it.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
The feline nutritionist will also likely poo poo the idea while a holistic vet would be totally behind it. My civvie has suspected IBD and I switched both of my cats to raw and they both love it. It's so easy to prepare as well and can be less or just as expensive as high quality commercially prepared canned food, except you know exactly what is in it.
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Yes, I will let you know what the nutrionist says. The receptionist commented that she rarely prescribes prescription diets, because I asked haha. This woman has a phd in feline nutrition she said, haha. We shall see!
I am at my wits end with my poor ibd cat Bill. He poops all over the house, I mean he goes in the litter box too, but other times he is walking by and it just plops out. Tried many many different foods prednisolin, tylosin, Chlorambucil.
 
Cindy loves Tansi said:
I have been giving him 50 to 100 ml sub q daily, hoping to avoid the problem. Oh well.
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Sounds like you have tried hard to avoid constipation. I’d add the Miralax/ Restoralax. If that doesn’t work, I would consider getting Lactulose from the vet. Got to keep that constipation under control because it is dangerous. Hope he goes for you. Poor baby doesn’t need to struggle with that as well as not feeling well!
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Sounds like you have tried hard to avoid constipation. I’d add the Miralax/ Restoralax. If that doesn’t work, I would consider getting Lactulose from the vet. Got to keep that constipation under control because it is dangerous. Hope he goes for you. Poor baby doesn’t need to struggle with that as well as not feeling well!
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Yes, thank you for your well wishes
 
Cindy loves Tansi said:
Yes, I will let you know what the nutrionist says. The receptionist commented that she rarely prescribes prescription diets, because I asked haha. This woman has a phd in feline nutrition she said, haha. We shall see!
I am at my wits end with my poor ibd cat Bill. He poops all over the house, I mean he goes in the litter box too, but other times he is walking by and it just plops out. Tried many many different foods prednisolin, tylosin, Chlorambucil.
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If you're on Facebook, there's a wonderful group called Raw Feeding for IBD Cats. It is a wealth of information. I had a lively discussion there today about constipation in cats, among other things. The mods are very knowledgeable, and they're the ones who convinced me that feeding raw while giving pred to Ruby is a safe and good idea. If you're going down the complex road of seeing a veterinary nutritionist, you should check out what the folks on that group might have to say.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
If you're on Facebook, there's a wonderful group called Raw Feeding for IBD Cats. It is a wealth of information. I had a lively discussion there today about constipation in cats, among other things. The mods are very knowledgeable, and they're the ones who convinced me that feeding raw while giving pred to Ruby is a safe and good idea. If you're going down the complex road of seeing a veterinary nutritionist, you should check out what the folks on that group might have to say.
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Thank you Katherine
I am actually already a member!
Tomorrow I will go to the site and ask some questions. Because at the moment the fb algorithm doesn't show me posts. I will have to show more interest.
 
Cindy loves Tansi said:
Thank you Katherine
I am actually already a member!
Tomorrow I will go to the site and ask some questions. Because at the moment the fb algorithm doesn't show me posts. I will have to show more interest.
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Ps.
The nutritionists name is dr beth hamper in Minnesota. Her bio looks legit. I will do more research, I will also ask in the group tomorrow if anyone knows about her.
 
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