9/17, Susie, 258 AMPS, 160 @+2, 101 @+3, 68 @+4

Summer and Susie said:
Hi Gina. Susie did come down to 68 so I am happy about that.
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It looks like unfortunately the insulin fully wears off by end of cycle. However, you can't counteract that with a higher dose as they're falling close to minimum without intervention.

Maybe the yellows/purple you're seeing are bounces from dropping so low?

I'd hold the 1.0 dose until these numbers stabilize. Your yesterday versus today comparison is a good compliment to my thoughts. At the same time as yesterday, you're much, much lower and may even see a reduction possible today. :)
 
DexterMeowgan said:
It looks like unfortunately the insulin fully wears off by end of cycle. However, you can't counteract that with a higher dose as they're falling close to minimum without intervention.

Actually I think she doesn’t hold reductions and there is a way to combat that with not reducing until 3 drops in the 40’s. I had to do that with Max to stop the bounces.

Maybe the yellows/purple you're seeing are bounces from dropping so low?

I think she is bouncing from green and not from being to low.

I'd hold the 1.0 dose until these numbers stabilize. Your yesterday versus today comparison is a good compliment to my thoughts. At the same time as yesterday, you're much, much lower and may even see a reduction possible today. :)
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I would not reduce.
 
Well my responses don’t show up well.

I think Susie does not hold reductions and you need to wait for three drops in the 40’s to reduce. I do not think she is dropping under 50 but she is bouncing from being in the 50’s and 60’s. Max had that problem but I got him tightly controlled by giving him enough insulin to prevent decreases with 3 under 50. I would not reduce.
 
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DexterMeowgan said:
It looks like unfortunately the insulin fully wears off by end of cycle. However, you can't counteract that with a higher dose as they're falling close to minimum without intervention.

Maybe the yellows/purple you're seeing are bounces from dropping so low?

I'd hold the 1.0 dose until these numbers stabilize. Your yesterday versus today comparison is a good compliment to my thoughts. At the same time as yesterday, you're much, much lower and may even see a reduction possible today. :)
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DexterMeowgan said:
It looks like unfortunately the insulin fully wears off by end of cycle. However, you can't counteract that with a higher dose as they're falling close to minimum without intervention.

Maybe the yellows/purple you're seeing are bounces from dropping so low?

I'd hold the 1.0 dose until these numbers stabilize. Your yesterday versus today comparison is a good compliment to my thoughts. At the same time as yesterday, you're much, much lower and may even see a reduction possible today. :)
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Thanks for the input. I will be holding the dose. This cat is so unpredictable. After several bad days she now decides to drop low. By the way, I'm looking forward to Dexter's OTJ Pawty! :D
 
tiffmaxee said:
Well my responses don’t show up well.

I think Susie does not hold reductions and you need to wait for three drops in the 40’s to reduce. I do not think she is dropping under 50 but she is bouncing from being in the 50’s and 60’s. Max had that problem but I got him tightly controlled by giving him enough insulin to prevent decreases with 3 under 50. I would not reduce.
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I thought I had finally got Susie out of the bouncing but boy was I wrong. I will not take a reduction. Ironically, I had considered an increase this morning. Who knows what she will do tomorrow.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Wow, look at Susie's plus four! 68. That's good. You've already gotten good advice from @tiffmaxee to not reduce. (But I think after you saw the 68 you probably had already had the very same thought!) I hope Susie will eat plenty of food today and have a fun day.
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Thanks, Suzanne. Susie is kind of sluggish today but has eaten all but one small meal for me. That was right before she dropped to 47. :arghh:
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Boy did she fool us this morning, all of a sudden she wants to drop low :p
I'm going to name her Suddenly Susie :p I'm glad she's eating her food today.
I hope she behaves tonight so you won't be up late ♥:bighug:
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Boy you are not kidding. She totally fooled me. I was expecting another day of yellows. Geez, I wish she were more predictable like so many other cats on this site.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Well my responses don’t show up well.

I think Susie does not hold reductions and you need to wait for three drops in the 40’s to reduce. I do not think she is dropping under 50 but she is bouncing from being in the 50’s and 60’s. Max had that problem but I got him tightly controlled by giving him enough insulin to prevent decreases with 3 under 50. I would not reduce.
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I'm not reading/processing this. Can you explain it a little more? What do you mean by giving enough insulin to prevent decreases? I'm thinking Shooter is like Susie that he doesn't hold reductions. He seems to bounce any time he's in the 100's now. You can respond privately if you'd like. I don't want to hijack Summer's thread. :)
 
Heather82372 said:
I'm not reading/processing this. Can you explain it a little more? What do you mean by giving enough insulin to prevent decreases? I'm thinking Shooter is like Susie that he doesn't hold reductions. He seems to bounce any time he's in the 100's now. You can respond privately if you'd like. I don't want to hijack Summer's thread. :)
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It is a valid question, Heather, and I would like to know what Elise means too.
 
I knew Susie was going to drop today. I'm with Elise. Hold the 1u dose. I did consider an increase, but I wanted to see what would happen after the flat yellows the last couple days.

I'll let Elsie explain what she means. I know what she is saying, but she's better with words than I am.
 
I will be happy to explain but I need to run some errands now so I will give a short answer now and reply more when I return.

Cats bounce from dropping too fast or into lower numbers their body ‘thinks’ may be dangerous but if within normal cat bg parameters really are safe. The trick is to feed the curve to keep them in normal bg range as much as possible so they get used to those numbers. For some cats that means you need to feed slightly higher carbs so they surf between 50-120 on a human meter. It’s exhausting at times but well worth it when it works. If you take unearned reductions you defeat your purpose as eventually more and more insulin might be needed. If they drop too low a bounce will happen. When a cat can’t hold reductions you try your best to prevent them from earning one with a little higher carbs. You also wait for 3 drops before reducing. If they drop under 40 you always take a reduction on the next cycle.

I will look later for some examples of spreadsheets. If you look at mine you will see in Max’s older one he didn’t hold reductions so I started doing the 3 drops. He eventually stopped bouncing a lot. Look at his second ss and you see lots of green and blue. Once regulated he was very sensitive to insulin and my increases and decreases were smaller.

im in a hurry now. I hope this makes sense.
 
Heather82372 said:
I'm not reading/processing this. Can you explain it a little more? What do you mean by giving enough insulin to prevent decreases? I'm thinking Shooter is like Susie that he doesn't hold reductions. He seems to bounce any time he's in the 100's now. You can respond privately if you'd like. I don't want to hijack Summer's thread. :)
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Do you have a condo for today? I briefly looked at your ss and your situation is different from Susie. I’ll respond on your condo later.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I will be happy to explain but I need to run some errands now so I will give a short answer now and reply more when I return.

Cats bounce from dropping too fast or into lower numbers their body ‘thinks’ may be dangerous but if within normal cat bg parameters really are safe. The trick is to feed the curve to keep them in normal bg range as much as possible so they get used to those numbers. For some cats that means you need to feed slightly higher carbs so they surf between 50-120 on a human meter. It’s exhausting at times but well worth it when it works. If you take unearned reductions you defeat your purpose as eventually more and more insulin might be needed. If they drop too low a bounce will happen. When a cat can’t hold reductions you try your best to prevent them from earning one with a little higher carbs. You also wait for 3 drops before reducing. If they drop under 40 you always take a reduction on the next cycle.

I will look later for some examples of spreadsheets. If you look at mine you will see in Max’s older one he didn’t hold reductions so I started doing the 3 drops. He eventually stopped bouncing a lot. Look at his second ss and you see lots of green and blue. Once regulated he was very sensitive to insulin and my increases and decreases were smaller.

im in a hurry now. I hope this makes sense.
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I see where you held him on 9/28/16 despite the really low numbers. You did have him regulated pretty nicely. Sorry. It is hard for me to look at the spread sheet of a kitty who has passed.

For the record, I am one of those who tries to keep my cat from going under 50. Susie is unpredictable and your right. She does not always do well with reductions - but - she is down to one unit so I believe we are making progress. The last several days have been very confusing to me and with her appetite waning, at times, I am concerned. Also, the fact that I actually witnessed her drinking water today is also a concern. I have not seen that in months. I always worry about new medical issues because so many cats on this site have them. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. I thought that waiting to reduce only after three drops under 50 was only for "long termers". Susie is yet to be there.
 
Wow, things sure get complicated, don't they? @Summer and Susie come on over to my convo and hold my hand awhile. Bama was at 207 at +10 and remained thereabouts at PMPS. I went ahead with the 4.5. Hoping it's not a late night.
 
Bama Kitty Mom said:
Wow, things sure get complicated, don't they? @Summer and Susie come on over to my convo and hold my hand awhile. Bama was at 207 at +10 and remained thereabouts at PMPS. I went ahead with the 4.5. Hoping it's not a late night.
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Bama's numbers are beautiful, Gina. Those blues are great and the yellows are low. Make sure he gets a good l/c meal at PMPS and test at +2 and +3. Remember, if he is lower at +2, than he was at PMPS, you will need to monitor him tonight. Heck, if he were my cat I would test at +2, +3 and, maybe a +7, just to be safe. These numbers are great for your kitty. Also, leave some food for him tonight. Maybe at +3 and +5 or +6. Do you have an auto feeder?

By the way, my moto on this site is always "better safe than sorry". I hope you can get some sleep tonight. I will be surprised if Bama doesn't start bouncing.
 
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Mandy & Rex said:
I knew Susie was going to drop today. I'm with Elise. Hold the 1u dose. I did consider an increase, but I wanted to see what would happen after the flat yellows the last couple days.

I'll let Elsie explain what she means. I know what she is saying, but she's better with words than I am.
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Your +2 today was a lot lower than the amps. That was the sign that the cycle would be active and it was. That big drop is enough to cause another bounce. Is that what you saw Mandy? This was predictable.
 
Summer and Susie said:
Bama's numbers are beautiful, Gina. Those blues are great and the yellows are low. Make sure he gets a good l/c meal at PMPS and test at +2 and +3. Remember, if he is lower at +2, than he was at PMPS, you will need to monitor him tonight. Heck, if he were my cat I would test at +2, +3 and, maybe a +7, just to be safe. These numbers are great for your kitty. Also, leave some food for him tonight. Maybe at +3 and +5 or +6. Do you have an auto feeder?

By the way, my moto on this site is always "better safe than sorry". I hope you can get some sleep tonight. I will be surprised if Bama doesn't start bouncing.
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Thanks Summer! I don't have an auto feeder. Typically I have to stir and cajole and plead to get him to finish. But he has eaten well all day. Maybe he has just been feeling so rotten because of the high BG and now he's getting a little relief. I'll get a +2 and +3 and maybe more. Definitely feed again at +4.

I'll check in on you and Susie as long as I'm up.
 
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