ASHFUR AMPS 80 +2 40 gave honey now 78

ASHFUR

ASHFUR

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Is this an emergency? I WISH I would have looked this up last night. I can't recall if 40 is a honey emergency or not. or if its just the 30's and Im too mental to do it right now.

Last night he was 49 but I didnt feel it was that urgent because he was on the upper side of the 40's, so I only corrected with MC food. But now he is closer to 30's AND he is only 2 hours into his cycle, which is a little different than the end of his cycle.....

I have my timer on for 15 mins to recheck him.

ALSO I just reduced him this morning so he will be down to .25 tonight. AGAIN I have no idea what dose he goes to from that????

Does it qualify as a reduction if I dozed off after his +1 and forgot his second meal? I hate to say it but he probably wouldn't be in this mess if I would have fed him :/ I was up ALL night AGAIN last night and it is getting harder to stay awake during the day for me.



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These are the notes I keep in my s/s

<50 test every 20m.
50-60 test every 30m

>60 LC 0-10% or if a quick large drop eg from HI to 60
50-59 MC 11-15%
<50 HC >16%

If it were me right now I would give Minnie HC or MC with karo (she seems to respond better to the karo w/food than plain HC food). Karo gives the quick rise but doesn't last, higher carb food gives the longer rise. For HC I use the Fancy Feast Beef Gravy Lovers which is 20% - just give the gravy. Since it's early in the cycle you want to keep him hungry. Only feed small amounts.

Sympathize on the sleeping - after 2 days (or nights) I am a mess. Minnie has done similar drops 'early' in the cycle which I think are really late nadirs from the previous cycle.

Can't help on the dosing! Hang in there.
 
Liz & Minnie said:
These are the notes I keep in my s/s

<50 test every 20m.
50-60 test every 30m

>60 LC 0-10% or if a quick large drop eg from HI to 60
50-59 MC 11-15%
<50 HC >16%

If it were me right now I would give Minnie HC or MC with karo (she seems to respond better to the karo w/food than plain HC food). Karo gives the quick rise but doesn't last, higher carb food gives the longer rise. For HC I use the Fancy Feast Beef Gravy Lovers which is 20% - just give the gravy. Since it's early in the cycle you want to keep him hungry. Only feed small amounts.

Sympathize on the sleeping - after 2 days (or nights) I am a mess. Minnie has done similar drops 'early' in the cycle which I think are really late nadirs from the previous cycle.

Can't help on the dosing! Hang in there.
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IM REALLY FRUSTRATED WITH OVER DOING IT EVERYTIME I GET SCARED. I give too much and instant regret happens when I see triple digits on the next test. Last night was my only decent handle of a number in the 40's so far. So I rechecked him and he is almost 80 only after 15 mins. which just means his lows are going to stall out later tonight again and I wont be home because I have somewhere I need to be. UGHHHHHHH

I also have been feeding him 16% gravy mixed into his pate because without it he goes low so fast. LC does nothing for staying stable at all. Everytime I depend on LC alone he hits a 40. So I've stopped and been adding a boost in no matter what. Now that isn't even doing anything. Thanks
 
The honey is only a temporary boost, so he needs some food. I would start with your MC and see where he is in 15/20 minutes.
 
To answer you earlier question about doses smaller than .25U, there are pictures on fine dosing sticky here: https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB...info-proper-handling-drawing-fine-dosing.151/

I'm definitely not an expert here, but if it makes you feel any better, you did exactly what I would have done in your situation. Test again in 20-30 if you can. If that's a good number, wait another hour. And if that's a good number, I think you're okay until this evening.

But again, I'm still a newbie who's only been through hypos a couple of times, so hopefully more seasoned users will chime in if you leave the ? up.
 
Plus if that 40 was a late nadir +14h then you'd expect him to be on the rise anyway. I am not good at figuring out what to expect though, only at interpreting afterwards....
 
When you catch your breath, you may also want to put these numbers in your SS. Since I'm not sure if you've recorded multiple BG readings in the same time hour block, there are some examples pretty early on in my SS if you have formatting questions.
 
ASHFUR said:
I should have just rubbed a tiny bit of caro on his gums. I know now for the next time. I know there will be a next time! 3rd time is a charm
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Karo/honey cause really quick spikes in BG, but then they peter out. It's a short-term solution to keep from falling too hard or if your cat won't eat. If you can catch the drop with food before you need that, it might be a less severe swing up.
 
ASHFUR said:
I should have just rubbed a tiny bit of caro on his gums. I know now for the next time. I know there will be a next time! 3rd time is a charm
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It is so hard not to panic though! Last time Minnie was low (33) I accidentally mixed the karo into LC instead of MC and couldn't understand why she didn't rise after 2 feeds and 3 tests!
 
Liz & Minnie said:
Or maybe just give the HC gravy first, see what happens after 20 min? It just seems to be trial and error.
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Yes I think he is so sensitive to sugar. I already knew this. but yes in the moment, I am one track mind - on a mission. I just BLOW right through all reason. I am making a promise to myself to calm down and try HC next time. This will be better in the long run. Ill save the sugar for the <40
 
ASHFUR said:
Yes I think he is so sensitive to sugar. I already knew this. but yes in the moment, I am one track mind - on a mission. I just BLOW right through all reason. I am making a promise to myself to calm down and try HC next time. This will be better in the long run. Ill save the sugar for the <40
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Don't beat yourself up - you did great! And your boy will be fine :) This is never an easy or fun thing to deal with.
 
Librarianista said:
To answer you earlier question about doses smaller than .25U, there are pictures on fine dosing sticky here: https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB...info-proper-handling-drawing-fine-dosing.151/

I'm definitely not an expert here, but if it makes you feel any better, you did exactly what I would have done in your situation. Test again in 20-30 if you can. If that's a good number, wait another hour. And if that's a good number, I think you're okay until this evening.

But again, I'm still a newbie who's only been through hypos a couple of times, so hopefully more seasoned users will chime in if you leave the ? up.
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THANK YOUUUU!!!
 
ASHFUR said:
Yes I think he is so sensitive to sugar. I already knew this. but yes in the moment, I am one track mind - on a mission. I just BLOW right through all reason. I am making a promise to myself to calm down and try HC next time. This will be better in the long run. Ill save the sugar for the <40
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I am absolutely the same! You see the low number and adrenaline kicks in. Plus it's a shock the first time you get a super low number so soon after breakfast. The first couple of times it was 'eeekk what do I do' which improved to 'eeek get the HC in'. I know I'm gradually improving with my response, but it was only 2 days ago that I gave the LC instead of MC! Every time gets easier.

You did a great job. Main focus is safety.
 
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Max responded quickly to hc food most of the time. I rarely added honey as it leaves the system so quickly so unless he won’t eat I would advise not to put it on the gums. Food works better. The food will take 20-30 minutes to work. Honey or karro will be quicker, 15-20 but won’t last long. effect. It was good to give hc so early in the cycle. I would have advised you to do that.
 
Cats differ in how carb sensitive they are. Your job is to learn what works for Ashfur. I kept notes in the Remarks part of the SS on how much, what carbs, and when if I needed to give extra. Then I could look back and see what worked (or didn't) before hand.

I've heard of one cat that got a 20-30 point boost just from freeze dried chicken. Others that need really high carb HC plus karo to boost them up. I started with HC in the 21% range and found it was too much, so switched to 17%. It's better to boost them up a bit too much when you are new to dealing with low numbers, that fight low numbers. I still added a drop of syrup/karo to anything under the 40's. You will also find that low numbers in the first part of the cycle, when the insulin is stronger, will need higher carbs than later in the cycle when the insulin effect is starting to wear off.

Technically, today's numbers could have come from the 0.75 unit depot, not the 0.5 unit dose. If you have to be away tonight, skip and drain the depot some. There is a 0.25 unit dose and a 0.1 unit dose after 0.5 units. Some cats need a bit more support and go to a drop dose after 0.1.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Cats differ in how carb sensitive they are. Your job is to learn what works for Ashfur. I kept notes in the Remarks part of the SS on how much, what carbs, and when if I needed to give extra. Then I could look back and see what worked (or didn't) before hand.

I've heard of one cat that got a 20-30 point boost just from freeze dried chicken. Others that need really high carb HC plus karo to boost them up. I started with HC in the 21% range and found it was too much, so switched to 17%. It's better to boost them up a bit too much when you are new to dealing with low numbers, that fight low numbers. I still added a drop of syrup/karo to anything under the 40's. You will also find that low numbers in the first part of the cycle, when the insulin is stronger, will need higher carbs than later in the cycle when the insulin effect is starting to wear off.

Technically, today's numbers could have come from the 0.75 unit depot, not the 0.5 unit dose. If you have to be away tonight, skip and drain the depot some. There is a 0.25 unit dose and a 0.1 unit dose after 0.5 units. Some cats need a bit more support and go to a drop dose after 0.1.
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I agree which is why I keep expecting him to go high at some point. back to back reductions have me thinking maybe this last one wont hold and Ill be seeing an inflated BG soon.....we will see. I have to go back to work today, so at least its easing my mind a bit. I feel totally STUPID for missing the sticky on fine dosing on the MAIN page, sorry for asking, I guess I just missed it somehow. Thank you for your added input.

The cans I have of 16% are friskies shreds and the cans are huge and take quite a bit of gravy to do a boost of 20 points per whole can for him. Hes full after 1 can, so I need to find a better solution. Ill be doing some research today.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Max responded quickly to hc food most of the time. I rarely added honey as it leaves the system so quickly so unless he won’t eat I would advise not to put it on the gums. Food works better. The food will take 20-30 minutes to work. Honey or karro will be quicker, 15-20 but won’t last long. effect. It was good to give hc so early in the cycle. I would have advised you to do that.
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Ok. Yup because I got another BG in the 40's later that day likely from when the honey wore off. I thought I had given him enough MC food but obviously not, I even fed him more LC when his numbers started waning down. The honey is like a shot gun effect I guess quickly here and quickly gone. Ill be sticking to the MC/HC unless its a <40. I treated that second one with MC food and it was just fine.
 
ASHFUR said:
Ok. Yup because I got another BG in the 40's later that day likely from when the honey wore off. I thought I had given him enough MC food but obviously not, I even fed him more LC when his numbers started waning down. The honey is like a shot gun effect I guess quickly here and quickly gone. Ill be sticking to the MC/HC unless its a <40. I treated that second one with MC food and it was just fine.
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Yes, this is what's known as "Feeding the curve" - manipulating with cat food only. Doing great!
 
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