New diagnosis - MoeMoe

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MoeMoe

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My Moe is a 11 yo male recently diagnosed (about 2 months ago) with diabetes. He was losing weight, his hair was greasy/not smooth, wanting people food all the time, and peeing whereever he wanted. We started by changing his food to DM savory selects wet with a little dry mixed in without insulin but that didn't work. He started Lantus at 1Ux2, now 2Ux2, and will see how the next BGC goes later this week. It has put a lot of stress on me more than anyone in the family. In over 30 yrs having cats in the house this is the first for me. With 4 other cats in the house it has been frustrating. I hope it gets better...
 
  1. Hi Chris I see you just posted in the Feline Health Board
    the Lantus from Canada is perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with the quality ,you can re assure your vet

    First off can you tell us about MoMo.
    We have what's called our signature it's at the end of everyone's post in gray, I will give you the link below.

    I see in your other post you already started Lantus
    We order it from Marks Marine
    I would suggest getting the 5 solorstar pens. They will last you more than a year.
    We still use the syringes and insert them into the gray stopper on the pen and draw the insulin from there, because if you use the pens with the pen needles you can only adjust by full units.
    We increase or decrease by 0.25 units

    Most of us feed Fancy Feast Classic Pates or Friskie Pates , we like to stay under
    10 % carbs. I will give you the link to the food chart.

    U-100 syringes can be purchased at Walmart with half unit markings
    Let me find the pic of them.

    I don't know if you are home testing but I highly suggest starting to.
    It's the only way to keep MoMo safe and to see if his BG number in the AM and PM
    is a number that is safe to give him the insulin

    You can buy the human meter from Walmart
    Relion Prime 9 dollars
    Test strips for it 17.88 for 100
    Lancets 26 or 28 gauge any brand is fine
    Cotton rounds to put behind his ears when you poke , then hold it on his ears for about 10-20 seconds to stop the bleeding.

    All of this will save you money for vet visits, testing at home

    We also have a spreadsheet that we use to enter our cats BG to see how it's
    working for him, we can then give you advice on dosing.

    I can give you the link for it. If you have trouble setting it up we have 2 wonderful members that can help you with it

    Tyler’s Spreadsheet
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  2. Diane Tyler's Mom
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    Lantus Solostar PEN CAN (temp. gauge. ice pack, express-air mail) *single pen open box* Brand 100iu/ml one pen 3 ml $49.99 USD

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    Lantus Cartridges 5x3ml per box (temp. gauge. ice pack, express-air mail) Brand 100u/ml 15 ml $159.99 USD

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    Lantus Solostar PENS 5x3ml per box (temp. gauge. ice pack, express-air mail) Brand 100u/ml 15 ml $164.99 USD

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    Lantus VIAL Insulin (10ml per vial) (temp. gauge. ice pack, express-air mail) Brand 100u/ml 10 ml $110.99 USD

    https://rxcanada4less.com


    You can call them and have them contact your vet so she can fax them the script,after that if you need to re order no script needed again

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  3. Diane Tyler's Mom
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    https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/dr-pierson-new-food-chart.174147/


    Here us the food chart , dry food is high in carbs

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  4. Diane Tyler's Mom
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    These are the ones in Walmart. You want 0.30 cc/ml (30 units) syringes with half unit markings. Not the 0.5 cc/ml or 1 cc/ml ones.

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    Tyler/ 13yr / Dx 9/2018 /Vetsulin 9-2018-12-2018 RELION PRIME LANTUS started on 12/30/19 /Was SLGS/STARTED TR ON 1-6-20/ FF Classic Pate OTJ 1-24 -21
 
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https://www.adwdiabetes.com/product/16367/carepoint-vet-u-100-pet-syringe-31g-half-unit

Any of these are fine here's a coupon plus they ship pretty fast, you will need a script from your doctor, just call them and give them your vets name and they will get in touch with them
Give your vet a heads up that they will be contacting them

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If you can fill out your signature if will help us/so we don't have to keep asking you the same questions over and over again.
It's at the end of everyone's post in gray writing which contains information about our cats
Look at mine



Click on your name upper right hand corner , a drop down will appear , tap in signature , fill out info
  • On the left, under Settings, Click on Signature. This is where you will put information that helps us give you feedback. There is a limit of two lines which may include two links; you may separate pieces with commas, dashes, | etc. This is where you paste the link for your spreadsheet, once it is set up.
  • Add info we need to help you:
    • Caregiver & kitty's name
    • DX: Date
    • Name of Insulin (do not include dose or frequency)
    • Name of your meter
    • Diet: "LC wet" or "dry food" or "combo"
    • Dosing: TR or SLGS or Custom (if applicable)
    • DKA or other recent health issue (if applicable)
    • Acro, IAA, or Cushings (if applicable)
    • Spreadsheet link. Please put the signature link on the bottom line of your signature information, on its own, so it is easy to find.
    • Please do not put any information about your location in the signature for security reasons. If you wish to add your country location, please add it to your profile.
Be sure to click the 'Save Changes' button at the bottom. If you need help urgently it is important we know these things at a glance. We don’t want to waste valuable time finding out information.
 
Welcome to FDMB.

We tend to do things a bit differently than what it sounds like your vet is suggesting. The good news is your vet prescribed a very good insulin for cats. (You have no idea what a big plus this is!) Diane has provided information on ordering Lantus from Canada, which is much less expensive than purchasing in the US. Alternatively, there are now generic/biosimilar forms -- Basaglar and Semglee that are much less expensive than Lantus.

We are huge advocates of home testing. This is the best way for you to know how well insulin is working. It's also the only way you can keep your cat safe. I'd encourage you to make a shopping trip. You will want to buy a glucometer (a meter to test blood for glucose levels), lancets (to poke for blood -- preferably a 28 gauge or less -- lower numbers are a wider needle and in the beginning, wider is better. Ultimately you'll be able to use a 30 or 31 gauge), test strips that are the same brand as your meter (buy several containers, you use them up relatively quickly -- they are available on line but you'll need some for the immediate future), and Ketostix. The latter test for ketones that can be found in the urine. This is a preventative measure since ketones can be life threatening and if they are present, you may not be able to manage it at home. Many people here use the Walmart brand of meter and strips (i.e., Relion brand). The strips are among the least expensive available. Once you have a meter, we can help you get started with home testing. You'll enter the information on a spreadsheet that I'll direct you to.

You'll also want to add some information to your signature. That information is visible to everyone and helps us to not plague you with the same questions over and over and over again.

The information you'll need to get started is in this post on helping us to help you.

While many people opt to feed their cat Fancy Feast, it is by no means the only choice available. This is a chart that includes most of the canned foods available in the US along with their nutritional values, including carbohydrates. Low carb food is below 10% although most people feed their cats in the 5% range. You'll also want some higher carb food to have on hand - medium carb is 10 - 15% and high carb is over 15%. Having higher carb food allows you to bump up numbers if your cat's blood glucose drops too low. It is highly likely that the dry food you're supplementing MoeMoe with is high in carbs and it's contributing to his not having a great response to the insulin you're giving.

A word about Lantus... It is a depot type of insulin. It will take roughly a week for the depot to form and for Lantus to start working more effectively. Any time you change the dose, it takes several cycles (there are 2 cycles per day - one for each shot) for the depot to catch up with the change in dose.
 
VIDEO: How to test your cat's blood sugar
Here is a video that one of our members made testing her kitty
She used a pet meter, but like I said earlier buy the human meter
Always aim for the sweet spot warm the ears up first, you can put rice in a sock and put it in the microwave, test it on the inside of your wrist to be sure it's not to hot, like you would test a babies bottle. You can fill a pill bottle with warm water and roll it on the ears also.Just keep rubbing the ears with your fingers to warm them up
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6. As the ears get used to bleeding and grow more capilares, it gets easier to get the amount of blood you need on the first try. If he won’t stand still, you can get the blood onto a clean finger nail and test from there.
When you do get some blood you can try milking the ear.
Get you finger and gently push up toward the blood , more will appear
 
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Welcome to FDMB.

We tend to do things a bit differently than what it sounds like your vet is suggesting. The good news is your vet prescribed a very good insulin for cats. (You have no idea what a big plus this is!) Diane has provided information on ordering Lantus from Canada, which is much less expensive than purchasing in the US. Alternatively, there are now generic/biosimilar forms -- Basaglar and Semglee that are much less expensive than Lantus.

We are huge advocates of home testing. This is the best way for you to know how well insulin is working. It's also the only way you can keep your cat safe. I'd encourage you to make a shopping trip. You will want to buy a glucometer (a meter to test blood for glucose levels), lancets (to poke for blood -- preferably a 28 gauge or less -- lower numbers are a wider needle and in the beginning, wider is better. Ultimately you'll be able to use a 30 or 31 gauge), test strips that are the same brand as your meter (buy several containers, you use them up relatively quickly -- they are available on line but you'll need some for the immediate future), and Ketostix. The latter test for ketones that can be found in the urine. This is a preventative measure since ketones can be life threatening and if they are present, you may not be able to manage it at home. Many people here use the Walmart brand of meter and strips (i.e., Relion brand). The strips are among the least expensive available. Once you have a meter, we can help you get started with home testing. You'll enter the information on a spreadsheet that I'll direct you to.

You'll also want to add some information to your signature. That information is visible to everyone and helps us to not plague you with the same questions over and over and over again.

The information you'll need to get started is in this post on helping us to help you.

While many people opt to feed their cat Fancy Feast, it is by no means the only choice available. This is a chart that includes most of the canned foods available in the US along with their nutritional values, including carbohydrates. Low carb food is below 10% although most people feed their cats in the 5% range. You'll also want some higher carb food to have on hand - medium carb is 10 - 15% and high carb is over 15%. Having higher carb food allows you to bump up numbers if your cat's blood glucose drops too low. It is highly likely that the dry food you're supplementing MoeMoe with is high in carbs and it's contributing to his not having a great response to the insulin you're giving.

A word about Lantus... It is a depot type of insulin. It will take roughly a week for the depot to form and for Lantus to start working more effectively. Any time you change the dose, it takes several cycles (there are 2 cycles per day - one for each shot) for the depot to catch up with the change in dose.
Welcome to FDMB.

We tend to do things a bit differently than what it sounds like your vet is suggesting. The good news is your vet prescribed a very good insulin for cats. (You have no idea what a big plus this is!) Diane has provided information on ordering Lantus from Canada, which is much less expensive than purchasing in the US. Alternatively, there are now generic/biosimilar forms -- Basaglar and Semglee that are much less expensive than Lantus.

We are huge advocates of home testing. This is the best way for you to know how well insulin is working. It's also the only way you can keep your cat safe. I'd encourage you to make a shopping trip. You will want to buy a glucometer (a meter to test blood for glucose levels), lancets (to poke for blood -- preferably a 28 gauge or less -- lower numbers are a wider needle and in the beginning, wider is better. Ultimately you'll be able to use a 30 or 31 gauge), test strips that are the same brand as your meter (buy several containers, you use them up relatively quickly -- they are available on line but you'll need some for the immediate future), and Ketostix. The latter test for ketones that can be found in the urine. This is a preventative measure since ketones can be life threatening and if they are present, you may not be able to manage it at home. Many people here use the Walmart brand of meter and strips (i.e., Relion brand). The strips are among the least expensive available. Once you have a meter, we can help you get started with home testing. You'll enter the information on a spreadsheet that I'll direct you to.

You'll also want to add some information to your signature. That information is visible to everyone and helps us to not plague you with the same questions over and over and over again.

The information you'll need to get started is in this post on helping us to help you.

While many people opt to feed their cat Fancy Feast, it is by no means the only choice available. This is a chart that includes most of the canned foods available in the US along with their nutritional values, including carbohydrates. Low carb food is below 10% although most people feed their cats in the 5% range. You'll also want some higher carb food to have on hand - medium carb is 10 - 15% and high carb is over 15%. Having higher carb food allows you to bump up numbers if your cat's blood glucose drops too low. It is highly likely that the dry food you're supplementing MoeMoe with is high in carbs and it's contributing to his not having a great response to the insulin you're giving.

A word about Lantus... It is a depot type of insulin. It will take roughly a week for the depot to form and for Lantus to start working more effectively. Any time you change the dose, it takes several cycles (there are 2 cycles per day - one for each shot) for the depot to catch up with the change in dose.


Thank you for the kick start, I needed that. Until yesterday I felt as though I was stranded on an island but I now am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I feel much better.
 
Christine, I see you told us a little bit about MoeMoe on your profile
Please look at post #4 it's on the right hand side
We need to see this info at the end of your posts, most members will not go to your profile to see any info about MoeMoe. By the way he's very handsome boy
 
You are NOT stranded on an island. (That made me giggle!) If anything, we will overwhelm you with information. The beginning of this journey is completely overwhelming. The good news is that you have an entire community of crazy cat people who are here to help you with information (probably more that you thought possible) and support. The other good news is that in a couple of weeks, this will all become routine.

Once you get the home testing down, get used to logging information on your cat's spreadsheet, and have any of the other basics down, there is an entire forum devoted to everything you ever wanted to know about Lantus. You may want to read over the sticky notes at the top of the forum. Once you are set up with a spreadsheet, etc., you may want to post on the Lantus board.
 
Chris from what I have read on this forum the DM Savory Selects wet are 10 % carbs, we suggest to stay under 10% which I mentioned above, The Fancy Feast Pates are either 2 % or 3 % .
The dry DM is about 18%

Please make sure that if you switch to the Fancy Feast Classic Pates or the Friskies
and take away all the dry food that you must start to home test
because by taking away what he is eating now can drop his BG by 100 points
putting him in danger of going hypo.

You will start to transition him slowly to the Fancy Feast Pates or the Friskies
What you are feeding him now is probably the reason why his BG is high
Do you have any numbers your vet has given you
I assume you bring him to your vet to test him
So please go out and buy the human meter
Have you seen this, by Dr. Lisa Pierson?http://felinediabetes.com/TipsforTransitioningPDF12-18-09.pdf
 
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It's also a good idea having some med and high carb food in the house and some honey or Karo

For your hypo kit you can get the following and also look at the food chart


med and high carb food on hand in case he drops too low and you need to bring his BG up to safe numbers

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Gourmet Beef Feast in Gravy 20% High Carbs



Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Gourmet Chicken Feast in Gravy. 15% Med Carbs




Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Turkey Feast in Gravy. 15% Med Carbs


Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Chicken and Beef Feast in Gravy 15% Med Carbs
 
Chris from what I have read on this forum the DM Savory Selects wet are 10 % carbs, we suggest to stay under 10% which I mentioned above, The Fancy Feast Pates are either 2 % or 3 % .
The dry DM is about 18%

Please make sure that if you switch to the Fancy Feast Classic Pates or the Friskies
and take away all the dry food that you must start to home test
because by taking away what he is eating now can drop his BG by 100 points
putting him in danger of going hypo.

You will start to transition him slowly to the Fancy Feast Pates or the Friskies
What you are feeding him now is probably the reason why his BG is high
Do you have any numbers your vet has given you
I assume you bring him to your vet to test him
So please go out and buy the human meter
Have you seen this, by Dr. Lisa Pierson?http://felinediabetes.com/TipsforTransitioningPDF12-18-09.pdf

A couple of weeks ago I found a list of prescription diets with the break out of carbs, protein and fats but don't remember exactly where.

I know the DM dry is 18%.

Will look further.

Moe goes in on Thursday for another BGC. I will ask.

Before all of this the 5 cats were free fed Hills PD w/d without any issue for years. I know the w/d is even higher.

Chris
 
VIDEO: How to test your cat's blood sugar
Here is a video that one of our members made testing her kitty
She used a pet meter, but like I said earlier buy the human meter
Always aim for the sweet spot warm the ears up first, you can put rice in a sock and put it in the microwave, test it on the inside of your wrist to be sure it's not to hot, like you would test a babies bottle. You can fill a pill bottle with warm water and roll it on the ears also.Just keep rubbing the ears with your fingers to warm them up
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fec17d29-5ab4-44a8-912b-3a91944c3954-jpeg.57073

6. As the ears get used to bleeding and grow more capilares, it gets easier to get the amount of blood you need on the first try. If he won’t stand still, you can get the blood onto a clean finger nail and test from there.
When you do get some blood you can try milking the ear.
Get you finger and gently push up toward the blood , more will appear

Poor babies. I wish there was an easier way.
 
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