8/5 Chico 122@ AMPS; 77@2

Marina & Chico

Member Since 2021
Lots of activity in Chicoland since last post on the forum: we considered another increase, we halted the increase due to a lower AMPS and then Chico asked for a decrease instead :D:D Now we are still assessing what does the 0.5U dose do to him this time around.

For a change we will commute to another location for a whole week, so a bit of added stress for our sweet kitty, hopefully he will manage it well...

Have a nice weekend everyone :cat::cat:

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Hi Marina,

Do you mean you are all moving, or are you and DB working at a different place for this week? Either way, hope it goes with as litlle stress as possible.

You have not been on the 0.5 U for very long, but my two cents is that the number at 0.5 are not statistically different from when he was at 0.75. If I remeber correctly, you wanted to increase when at 0.75 to get rid of the blue PSs. So from that perspective you still want an increase now.... However, I do find interesting that despite you reducing his dose by 1/3 he is keeping the exact same numbers....;)
 
Hi Marina,

Do you mean you are all moving, or are you and DB working at a different place for this week? Either way, hope it goes with as litlle stress as possible.
This week we commute all three of us, it will be very tricky with traveling with his raw food... we still don't have that one figured out :D

thank you for the wish, Chico is known for not loving to move but we decided that for an entire week it would be worth it, he will have so much more space to run around :)

You have not been on the 0.5 U for very long, but my two cents is that the number at 0.5 are not statistically different from when he was at 0.75. If I remeber correctly, you wanted to increase when at 0.75 to get rid of the blue PSs. So from that perspective you still want an increase now.... However, I do find interesting that despite you reducing his dose by 1/3 he is keeping the exact same numbers....;)

It is still early to judge because the depot from 0.75 might be still talking, you said it correctly we did reduce 1/3 of his dose but let's say that if it were for him to keep these numbers we would be happy. The green PMPS yesterday gave us some hope :)
 
If you are traveling, you'll need to keep Chico's insulin cool along with the raw food. If you've got a cooler, I'd suggest getting a couple of freezer/ice packs. put the raw food on top of the ice and the Lantus (wrapped in bubble wrap if possible) on top of the food. You don't want the insulin to freeze so you want to insulate it from contact with anything that's frozen while still keeping it "refrigerated."

The AMPS numbers are typically the last to fall into line. Are you giving a snack at +8 or +9 during the PM cycle? It might help to bring the AMPS numbers down.
 
I am happy to see Chico's numbers! I hope all remains smooth for the move.
I was giving Mouzer +3 and +9 food, but I recall it once being said it could take 3 to 4 hours on food work, so I moved those feeding times where he is not eating in the four hours before and after ambg and pmbg, and his numbers improved. So, I figure that Mouzer must be one of those four hour kitties with the food.
If Mouzer does let me know he is hungry at the three hours before and after his food, I do go ahead and feed him because I wont hold out on him like that for the four hours, if he is really hungry, but if he has not bugged me for food, I am waiting the four hours out.
I dont know if it would work with Chico, because of every cat being different, but I thought to mention it.
 
If you are traveling, you'll need to keep Chico's insulin cool along with the raw food. If you've got a cooler, I'd suggest getting a couple of freezer/ice packs. put the raw food on top of the ice and the Lantus (wrapped in bubble wrap if possible) on top of the food. You don't want the insulin to freeze so you want to insulate it from contact with anything that's frozen while still keeping it "refrigerated."
Ohhh, we didnt even get to think about the insulino_Oo_O thank you for the idea. we have ice packs coming with the autofeeder, we wanted to use those, they last for long.

The AMPS numbers are typically the last to fall into line. Are you giving a snack at +8 or +9 during the PM cycle? It might help to bring the AMPS numbers down.
We had this idea with the +8 or +9 snack brought to us a few days ago but i understood this is for kitties on very small insulin doses, getting ready for remission, i think its still early for Chico though :( he used to have green preshots on a higher insulin dose, that’s why we tried all this chess game, we hoped it would help him with it, only that he got off the higher dose very quickly so we are now waiting to see if it did anything at all... thank you for the advice, if nothing else works we will get back to this idea for sure
 
OMG, when did this happen? How could i have missed Mouzer go into remission :woot::woot: congratulations!!! That is great news, he looks great :woot::woot:

I was actually searching for your posts several days ago but couldn’t find anything, this explains it :)
I am happy to see Chico's numbers! I hope all remains smooth for the move.
I was giving Mouzer +3 and +9 food, but I recall it once being said it could take 3 to 4 hours on food work, so I moved those feeding times where he is not eating in the four hours before and after ambg and pmbg, and his numbers improved. So, I figure that Mouzer must be one of those four hour kitties with the food.
If Mouzer does let me know he is hungry at the three hours before and after his food, I do go ahead and feed him because I wont hold out on him like that for the four hours, if he is really hungry, but if he has not bugged me for food, I am waiting the four hours out.
I dont know if it would work with Chico, because of every cat being different, but I thought to mention it.

We are feeding him his last meal 6 hours before preshot time, so the preshot shouldn't be food influenced, is it how you meant it with the four hours?
 
Chico is not on a huge dose of insulin. The bulk of his numbers are green. A small amount of food may stimulate his pancreas to produce it's own insulin and pull those AMPS numbers down.
 
OMG, when did this happen? How could i have missed Mouzer go into remission :woot::woot: congratulations!!! That is great news, he looks great :woot::woot:

I was actually searching for your posts several days ago but couldn’t find anything, this explains it :)


We are feeding him his last meal 6 hours before preshot time, so the preshot shouldn't be food influenced, is it how you meant it with the four hours?

LOL I have not put myself out to speak of Mouzer's OTJ Trial. He is not officially in remission until he gets done with 14 full days without insulin, so I wont even say he is in remission until I see this through with him. Just those who have kept up with me know that Mouzer has been on otj trial and I do respond to them when they bring it up, but otherwise, I have kept it pretty quiet, lest I jinx the whole shebang lolol

What happened is, I saw that Haley kitty was having blues during her OTJ Trial and I saw her being asked if she is feeding +9, not sure if she was asked about +3. But anyhow, I was feeding Mouzer at +3 and +9, and that also meant I needed to feed him between +3 and +9 because of not letting him go more than four hours without food...
And then Mouzer popped up with two pmbg blues in a row, with one at 100 and one at 101, while in his otj trial, so I was thinking about Haley's ordeal and I recall long ago, in 2017, it being said that it can take a kitty three to four hours working the food - or the pancreas working, you know lol I am not all techy talk here haha

So, because I have had Mouzer on otj trial and saw his low blues, I got scared with seeing Haley having to go off otj trial and I did not want this for Mouzer or myself either. I decided to try feeding the +4 and +8 and not feed later than four hours before or after shot times. So far, Mouzer has had no blue. And I have had to feed him at +3, due to his really wanting to eat, but for the most, I am keeping it at +4 and +8 and of course at preshot times.

If you are not feeding for six hours, it might be best to try to feed, either attempt the +3 and +9 or the +4 and +8, or try them both, but I think you need to give a couple of days, maybe - it could be right away but I would allow a couple of days to observe, is +3 and +9 feeding helping? And if not, try +4 and +8 and see if that helps.

You might be going too long in between by going six hours without food, not allowing his pancreas to have something to work with. I cannot say this is a fact, I am only going by all that I have been reading, looking at, observing and soaking in and just trying what I see people have done or talk about what might could be done.

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I am curious, what time of day is Chico's amps and pmps?
I changed Mouzer's time and also the hours in between meals as best as Mouzer allowed, because if Mouzer is hungry, I am not going to make him wait four hours, but if he is fine, I am keeping his feeding at four hour intervals, making sure to wait until +4 and +8 and no food in between am and pm preshot times but not making him go longer than four hours without food.

I did experiment with Mouzer in this, with the time of day for am and pm testing making a difference in mind. I tried a few different time slots, and it did make a difference when it came to Mouzer. When I found the 'good' time for Mouzer, now as I do spot checks during the day, all of his numbers are showing up good numbers. ---With Chico on Lantus, if you experimented with changing time, you do know you can only change the time by either 30 minutes once in a day or 15 minutes twice in a day.

I am thinking perhaps time of day for amps and pmps and feeding schedule work together and if the right time is found for the specific kitty, and all is worked together, feeding accordingly, this could make a difference. Now, this is just me with Mouzer and my own personal experiment, so I cannot say this is a for all cats thing, but it surely is a thing with Mouzer.

Put it this way, what I have figured out, is working for Mouzer, and that is all that matters. And if Mouzer makes it through his 14th day of otj trial and will then be officially in remission, I am going to stick to this feeding schedule as if he were on otj trial, or even on insulin, for his lifetime. I want him to have a good life and I am using this time to see and learn what is good for Mouzer.

Chico is looking real good, just get rid of those preshot blues, and I cannot tell you how to do it, I cannot tell you what exactly works, but I can tell you what I did with Mouzer and it did work for Mouzer, so if you are like me, you will be up for trying anything, just to see if it will work and as long as there is no danger to sweet, precious kitty ahahahaahaaa
 
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