kidney supplement carbs, is it safe?

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dionysia ke

dionysia ke

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Hello!
I am giving a kidney supplement to my cat, named renalvet, and I calculated that it contains 18% Kcals from carbs. Could it affect bg?
Lisa takes one capsule per day, which contains: soy oil, lecithin, calcium carbonate 200mg, chitosan 200mg, vitamin D3 0.002 mg. Analytical constituents: total protein 6.65%, total fat 47.95%, total fibers 0.63%, natrium 10.70 gr/kg, potassium 1.25 gr/kg, calcium 94.9 gr/kg, moisture 0.85%.
Alternatively, I could give her a different one named pronefra instead, that contains: vegetable oil refined (olive and coprah), meat and animal derivatives (poultry), calcium carbonate 3.6%, fish protein hydrolysed 1.9 %, chitosan 1%, magnesium carbonate 1 %, polyxyethylene (20)-sorbitan monooleate 4900 mg/kg. Dosing is 1ml morning and evening. This one comes to 4.6% Kcals from carbs.
Analytical constituents: crude oils & fat 77.9%, crude protein: 7.6%, crude ash 4.7%, crude fiber 0.33%
Is this one safe or could this also affect bg?
 
Does she have kidney disease? I do t see where the carbs are in the ingredients mentioned. Even though 18% carbs if correct it’s such a small amount given I dint think it would effect her bg but I don’t know for sure.
 
Before her diabetes relapse, Lisa had elevated renal values, and after she had the renal supplement and renal food, they dropped to normal. So now I continue to give her the supppement (not the renal food)

Her latest renal values were:
creatinine: 1.22(0.7-2.2)
BUN 26(18-41)
phosphorus:5,4(2.9-8.1)
 
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dionysia ke said:
Hello!
I am giving a kidney supplement to my cat, named renalvet, and I calculated that it contains 18% Kcals from carbs. Could it affect bg?
Lisa takes one capsule per day, which contains: soy oil, lecithin, calcium carbonate 200mg, chitosan 200mg, vitamin D3 0.002 mg. Analytical constituents: total protein 6.65%, total fat 47.95%, total fibers 0.63%, natrium 10.70 gr/kg, potassium 1.25 gr/kg, calcium 94.9 gr/kg, moisture 0.85%.
Alternatively, I could give her a different one named pronefra instead, that contains: vegetable oil refined (olive and coprah), meat and animal derivatives (poultry), calcium carbonate 3.6%, fish protein hydrolysed 1.9 %, chitosan 1%, magnesium carbonate 1 %, polyxyethylene (20)-sorbitan monooleate 4900 mg/kg. Dosing is 1ml morning and evening. This one comes to 4.6% Kcals from carbs.
Analytical constituents: crude oils & fat 77.9%, crude protein: 7.6%, crude ash 4.7%, crude fiber 0.33%
Is this one safe or could this also affect bg?
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Which of those ingredients are supposed to be beneficial to kidneys? I don't see an ingredient that stands out to me as being something that I have read about being beneficial to a kitty's kidneys? Maybe I am missing something. It would be good to know what the active ingredients are and what they are supposed to do, i.e., reduce BUN or reduce Creatinine or reduce phosphorus. Maybe the chitosan is supposed to reduce phosphorus??
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Which of those ingredients are supposed to be beneficial to kidneys? I don't see an ingredient that stands out to me as being something that I have read about being beneficial to a kitty's kidneys? Maybe I am missing something. It would be good to know what the active ingredients are and what they are supposed to do, i.e., reduce BUN or reduce Creatinine or reduce phosphorus. Maybe the chitosan is supposed to reduce phosphorus??
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Hi Suzanne,
According to the companies:
RenalVet:
calcium carbonate is a phosphorus binder
chitosan is used in conjunction with calcium carbonate to aid in binding
vit D aims at restoring its deficiency in chronic renal failure
Pronefra:
calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate help bind phosphate
chitosan helps bind urea-toxins
polysaccharides of astragales helps maintain normal kidney architecture
natural vasoactive marine oligopeptides helps maintain balanced blood pressure

Carbs are not listed, we can calculate them the same way we do for food.
 
kalypso said:
Hi Suzanne,
According to the companies:
RenalVet:
calcium carbonate is a phosphorus binder
chitosan is used in conjunction with calcium carbonate to aid in binding
vit D aims at restoring its deficiency in chronic renal failure
Pronefra:
calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate help bind phosphate
chitosan helps bind urea-toxins
polysaccharides of astragales helps maintain normal kidney architecture
natural vasoactive marine oligopeptides helps maintain balanced blood pressure

Carbs are not listed, we can calculate them the same way we do for food.
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Yes. Calcium Carbonate is a binder for phosphorus (although not as powerful as aluminum hydroxide, and Niacinamide is another option to bring phosphorus down quickly in the blood.) And yes, Chitosan can be used to bind phosphorus as well. There is a binder here in the U.S. called Epakitin and it has both calcium carbonate and chitosan in it. I have used it to help bring phosphorus in my renal failure cats. It is recommended that it be used when the phosphorus is not that high. If the phosphorus is really high then aluminum hydroxide powder with every meal or Niacinamide are recommended.

What are the "reference ranges" (the upper and lower limit for what is considered "normal") for those kidney numbers that you gave above. Every lab is different in the way they calculate the reference range.

I hope your sweet, beautiful baby is feeling okay and eating?

Did your vet recommend this supplement? If so, I would not worry to much about the carbohydrates because you should be able to adjust her insulin accordingly.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Yes. Calcium Carbonate is a binder for phosphorus (although not as powerful as aluminum hydroxide, and Niacinamide is another option to bring phosphorus down quickly in the blood.) And yes, Chitosan can be used to bind phosphorus as well. There is a binder here in the U.S. called Epakitin and it has both calcium carbonate and chitosan in it. I have used it to help bring phosphorus in my renal failure cats. It is recommended that it be used when the phosphorus is not that high. If the phosphorus is really high then aluminum hydroxide powder with every meal or Niacinamide are recommended.

What are the "reference ranges" (the upper and lower limit for what is considered "normal") for those kidney numbers that you gave above. Every lab is different in the way they calculate the reference range.

I hope your sweet, beautiful baby is feeling okay and eating?

Did your vet recommend this supplement? If so, I would not worry to much about the carbohydrates because you should be able to adjust her insulin accordingly.
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Hi I edited my post and added the reference values. How do you find her values?
Lisa is eating ok, the supppement was recommended by the vet, but I just want her to have a chance in remission..
I also have bought aluminium hydroxide, but I havent given it and it was not recommended by a vet.
 
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