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Katherine&Ruby

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Yesterday we embarked on transitioning to raw food and so far it's been a success. Not only is Ruby eating the raw duck but she's eating everything I put in front of her, so her nausea or whatever discomfort that was causing her to not want to eat has gone away. The metronidazole seems to be working well and the ondansetron arrived so we have that in case we need it. The only thing is that I haven't seen her do #2 since the very soft poo two days ago.

Please keep your fingers and paws crossed for Ruby to produce a happy semi-firm poop today. TIA. :cat:

Healing thoughts to all of the sick kitties and hugs to you beans who love them so. Have a beautiful Sunday everyone. :bighug::bighug:
 
Paws crossed for poop!

And congrats on Ruby eating some raw. You may know this but FFL will send you a sample of their ezcomplete if you PayPal them $1. Info here.

Beautiful cycle today :cat:
 
JaxBenji said:
Paws crossed for poop!

And congrats on Ruby eating some raw. You may know this but FFL will send you a sample of their ezcomplete if you PayPal them $1. Info here.

Beautiful cycle today :cat:
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Yup, ordered my sample already! Excited to whip up some raw lamb for Ruby next once I get the sample. :p I want a sample of Alnutrin too but they need a postage paid self addressed envelope to be sent to them and that's too much coordination for me right now. :rolleyes:
 
I was advised in a feline SCL group NOT to give B12 to Ruby. Ruby had a B12 and folate test and it showed her B12 to be sufficient, and therefore I should not give it to her because apparently there was a study that showed adverse effects of B12 on SCL. Has anyone else here heard this? I thought since B vitamins that are not utilized are excreted that it would not hurt to slip some into Ruby's food twice a day. Many other feline health/nutrition sources online say it's very beneficial, that it can help with many issues including inappetance. Who do I believe?
 
I’m way behind but I wanted to address some stuff from the other day.

PerfumedCatMom said:
I've ordered George's juice and I already have the syringes and SEB so I hope I can get Ruby to take it. She's very compliant with pilling, although if she reacts to assisted drinking like she does to me giving her subQ fluids, I might have some trouble.
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Just be sure you read how to do it all and mix it. There has to be water in there as well. I always diluted the George’s. I hope she will not mind being syringed. I always taught my cats as kittens to handle syringe feeding so it’s really easy when they get older.

PerfumedCatMom said:
The Zofran is coming by tomorrow hopefully, and some cyproheptadine next week. Interesting to know that cerenia is an anti-inflammatory. The Pepcid might have helped Ruby today as she was eating well but I'd feel much better if the SEB and aloe juice performed the same function.
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Hope you got the Zofran. There was a study in cats about long-term use of cerenia as for the longest time, it was not only labelled for dogs but also for use in cats for only three days. Subsequently, they’ve found cats can take it long-term and it has anti-inflammatory properties. If you look around the Raw Feeding for IBD cats website, it has a good discussion about pepcid and why it’s not the best choice.

PerfumedCatMom said:
Don't worry, Marje. You're definitely not the only person to advise me against it and I'm so grateful that I can get a multitude of perspectives before arriving at my own conclusions about what to do. At this point I've learned so much from everyone here and all of the research that I've been doing that I'm much better equipped to handle the situation than I was in September when faced quite suddenly with Ruby's DKA crisis with no knowledge of feline health at all.
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Good; that is how it should work. Ruby is lucky to have you!

I’m glad Miss Ruby is going for the raw duck. Neither of mine will touch duck or rabbit. :rolleyes: Just a reminder that if you do Alnutrin, you also have to buy raw liver and I just found it to be such a pain. Plus dealing with liver is so gross :p

PerfumedCatMom said:
I was advised in a feline SCL group NOT to give B12 to Ruby. Ruby had a B12 and folate test and it showed her B12 to be sufficient, and therefore I should not give it to her because apparently there was a study that showed adverse effects of B12 on SCL. Has anyone else here heard this? I thought since B vitamins that are not utilized are excreted that it would not hurt to slip some into Ruby's food twice a day. Many other feline health/nutrition sources online say it's very beneficial, that it can help with many issues including inappetance. Who do I believe?
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I don’t know the answer to this question. Certainly, if her B12 levels are normal, she wouldn’t need cyanocobalamin. But, for CKD and the anemia that creeps in, methylcobalamin can really keep that at bay. You might check with the Raw Feeding for IBD cats FB group because Laurie, the admin and also the owner of FFL, has had CKD cats so she might know the answer. I just don’t. Also Elise @tiffmaxee might know.
 
PerfumedCatMom said:
I was advised in a feline SCL group NOT to give B12 to Ruby. Ruby had a B12 and folate test and it showed her B12 to be sufficient, and therefore I should not give it to her because apparently there was a study that showed adverse effects of B12 on SCL. Has anyone else here heard this? I thought since B vitamins that are not utilized are excreted that it would not hurt to slip some into Ruby's food twice a day. Many other feline health/nutrition sources online say it's very beneficial, that it can help with many issues including inappetance. Who do I believe?
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The suggestion on not giving B12 if not needed, is specifically targeted to cats with SCL or cancer. Although no papers on cats, there are studies on people that either cancers do better in people with excess cobalamin or people with excess cobalamin had a higher cancer risk.
 
I'm so conflicted. I haven't been around much today and was worried about missing out on Ruby's poop party. On the other hand, how selfish of me to be worried about missing out on Ruby's poop party. And the Canada-US border is closed so I wouldn't even be able to attend!
Butters and I are hoping she poops today. Oh and poops will change once she is on raw.
 
I’ve given my CKD cats B12 and B Complex. You can read about it in tanyascrf.org. It helps keep them from becoming anemic. I didn’t add until late Stage 3 or if the HCT dropped under 25%. B Complex needs to be mixed in food to avoid intestinal issues.

Has long as she been on metronadozole? My vet told me to stop it when I saw a normal poop and not to be surprised if Max then skipped a day or two. I know others whose cats ended up very constipated from it and some needed enemas.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I hope she will not mind being syringed. I always taught my cats as kittens to handle syringe feeding so it’s really easy when they get older.
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I will remember this if I ever have kittens again!

Marje and Gracie said:
If you look around the Raw Feeding for IBD cats website, it has a good discussion about pepcid and why it’s not the best choice.
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I understand the hazards of Pepcid. I was grasping at straws, looking for something that would work. Seems like she is better for now.

Marje and Gracie said:
I don’t know the answer to this question. Certainly, if her B12 levels are normal, she wouldn’t need cyanocobalamin. But, for CKD and the anemia that creeps in, methylcobalamin can really keep that at bay. You might check with the Raw Feeding for IBD cats FB group because Laurie, the admin and also the owner of FFL, has had CKD cats so she might know the answer. I just don’t. Also Elise @tiffmaxee might know.
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Wendy&Neko said:
The suggestion on not giving B12 if not needed, is specifically targeted to cats with SCL or cancer. Although no papers on cats, there are studies on people that either cancers do better in people with excess cobalamin or people with excess cobalamin had a higher cancer risk.
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Thanks to you both for your thoughts re: methylcobalamin. What you say, Wendy, makes sense. I think I was confused but you made the point very clear, so thank you. I will take it off Ruby's menu of supplements until we know with more certainty what is going on with her. Hopefully that will be relatively soon.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I’ve given my CKD cats B12 and B Complex. You can read about it in tanyascrf.org. It helps keep them from becoming anemic. I didn’t add until late Stage 3 or if the HCT dropped under 25%. B Complex needs to be mixed in food to avoid intestinal issues.

Has long as she been on metronadozole? My vet told me to stop it when I saw a normal poop and not to be surprised if Max then skipped a day or two. I know others whose cats ended up very constipated from it and some needed enemas.
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Yes, I've read about all of the benefits of B12 for CKD kitties, but my concern was that it would exacerbate potential SCL.

I have been looking for normal poops but I don't think they've happened. She start the metronidazole on Friday and I haven't seen a poop since, hence the concern. I've also got her on a therapeutic dose of S. boulardii, so maybe that is having an effect as well?
 
Butters & Lyla said:
I'm so conflicted. I haven't been around much today and was worried about missing out on Ruby's poop party. On the other hand, how selfish of me to be worried about missing out on Ruby's poop party. And the Canada-US border is closed so I wouldn't even be able to attend!
Butters and I are hoping she poops today. Oh and poops will change once she is on raw.
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My olfactory nerves are looking forward to a change in her poops on raw! And the party is postponed until a poop sighting is made. :oops:
 
PerfumedCatMom said:
Yes, I've read about all of the benefits of B12 for CKD kitties, but my concern was that it would exacerbate potential SCL.

I have been looking for normal poops but I don't think they've happened. She start the metronidazole on Friday and I haven't seen a poop since, hence the concern. I've also got her on a therapeutic dose of S. boulardii, so maybe that is having an effect as well?
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If no poop since Friday I would be very concerned to continue with metronadozole. That was to be my signal to stop using it according to my vet internist.
 
tiffmaxee said:
If no poop since Friday I would be very concerned to continue with metronadozole. That was to be my signal to stop using it according to my vet internist.
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The thing is I am not entirely sure she hasn't pooped yet. There have been more poops in the litter box than usual but Ruby buries hers and there haven't been any buried poops. I could be totally wrong about her not pooping. I will stop the metro and see how she does without it tomorrow.
 
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