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Hailey K said:
One question though. So after I give him his AM shot and give him his can of friskies when I leave to go to work I shouldn’t leave any dry food down and just wait to see what his numbers are 6+ ?
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Um, Good question. I'm not real sure, because I cant remember what you are doing now, for leaving any food down when you go to work.

Do you normally leave the dry food down when you go to work?

You'll have to excuse me, as my brain is fried from a long day with not much sleep last night.
 
Normally he gets his can of friskies after AM shot and he has access to dry food (high carb) all day long. Please note him having canned food in the AM & PM has just been introduced these last 2 weeks, prior to that he only ever have his Orjen dry food.
 
Ok, so for now, until you have more test data, and we can see some patterns in that data, keep the food the same.
If you could make some notes on the SS, over in the Remarks column on the far right, that would be helpful.

So for the past 2 weeks, this has been his diet:
Canned food low carb at AMPS and PMPS.
Dry food left out when you go to work.
Dry food left out at night?

Any treats? For testing? Or just because you love him and his pleading green eyes. :)
 
That is correct ! I used to do treats at shot time but he has taken such a liking to the canned food that he doesn’t even touch the treats anymore. The only time he gets a couple temptations is right before I withhold the dry food for 2 hours before his PMPS because I want to make sure he Atleast had something before than because I don’t know when he ate last and this has only been last night and tonight since this is the first time I started testing before shots. For his AMPS food was not withheld because I don’t have enough time in the morning before work to withhold food before giving his his shot.
 
As of right now I have withheld Toby’s dry food until the 2+ test which we just finished. Now I am putting back down the food for the remainder of the day and will test again at 4,6,8 etc. Hopefully I am right by putting the food back down as we are trying to see his normal day as he normally has access to the high carb dry food ? Or should I still be withholding the high carb dry food ?
 
Hailey K said:
As of right now I have withheld Toby’s dry food until the 2+ test which we just finished. Now I am putting back down the food for the remainder of the day and will test again at 4,6,8 etc. Hopefully I am right by putting the food back down as we are trying to see his normal day as he normally has access to the high carb dry food ? Or should I still be withholding the high carb dry food ?
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Hailey, I am a little confused about this whole dry food business? I think @Deb & Wink suggested that you continue as you were doing on the food front and just get more test data over the next few days?
He had access to the dry food all night, right? And usually all day?

Btw, is the dry food taken off 2 hours before the AM and PM shot?
 
Yes that is correct he has dry food all night and day weekdays and weekends normally. But I started taking it away between PMPS and the 2+ and then putting it back down after the 2+ test. Food is not taken away 2 hours prior only for the AMPS because I physically cannot get up any earlier in the morning or give him his shot any later lol.
 
Hailey K said:
Food is not taken away 2 hours prior only for the AMPS because I physically cannot get up any earlier in the morning or give him his shot any later lol.
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A rotary timed feeder can help with that. You can program them to rotate to an empty compartment 2 hours before the preshot test is due. The Petsafe 5 is a popular choice among FDMB members. I've got two and they've been a godsend. You can often get good deals on them at Amazon or eBay.


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Oh okay that makes sense I thought they only dispensed the food but that’s cool that they take it away also! I would definitely look into it once we get the ball rolling and have an idea of his numbers. Thank you !
 
Am I wrong to put down any friskies pate in the middle of the day right now even though I normally don’t ? I haven’t but just checking, I know you said you want to see what happens in his normal day and I guess that would be considered not normal for him so I’m guessing I shouldn’t right now until we figure things out ?
 
Hailey K said:
Am I wrong to put down any friskies pate in the middle of the day right now even though I normally don’t ? I haven’t but just checking, I know you said you want to see what happens in his normal day and I guess that would be considered not normal for him so I’m guessing I shouldn’t right now until we figure things out ?
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Don't make any changes in the feeding routine right now.
So no. Do not put down any Friskies pate in the middle of the day right now.
We want to see what his BG numbers are normally. With the feeding schedule you use right now.
After you gather more test data, we can see how Toby is doing on his normal diet.

Once we know how low the current dose is taking Toby, then we can decide if you need to lower the dose.

One change at a time please. If you are doing too many changes at once, it's hard to see which change made a difference.

Yeah on blue!:cool:
 
Sounds great ! Sorry everyone for the repetitive questions just making sure I’m being clear and doing the right thing. Thank you for being so patient with me and for all your help !
 
We were all new at one time. Still here, paying it forward to the next group of people like you Hailey.
The only dumb question is the one you don't ask.
Clarify any thing you need to.

It just might take a while for us to get back to you, since our own cats might be begging for dinner already.:rolleyes: 30 minutes early
 
Toby is now at 7.1 from what I gather this is still normal range but this is extremely low compared to other numbers I have seen during a curve, I am starting to worry. Probably shouldn’t be but I am lol
 
It's the way of things here: you long to see better numbers and then when they show up they scare the willies out of you! :D

A 7.1 (Alphatrak) is plenty safe, Hailey. You're a fair way along in the cycle too.


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I think you are going to need to reduce for the PM dose.
Would you please test at +11.5 and then again at PMPS?

We want to see if Toby's BG is rising sufficiently to see what the dose should be. With those 2 tests, that makes it easier to see if the BG is rising.
 
Hailey K said:
So at 7:30 and again at 8. AMPS and shot was at 8 this morning?
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Then yes, your + 11.5 would be at your 7:30 pm. Your PMPS would be at your 8 PM tonight.

In any case, I don't think you want to give Toby more than 1/2 his regular dose. You simply do not have enough test data to have a good idea what would happen.

Do you have your hypo toolkit all ready and waiting?
jojo and bunny's HYPO TOOL BOX
 
I have syrup and honey on hand I will send my husband to the store for a higher carb canned food, didn’t make it to the store yet to get that yet! Everything else I think I have under control. Hoping the little guys numbers come up a bit !
 
Hailey K said:
Should I put his high carb dry food back down now or should I wait ?
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Are you able to get another BG test now?

Would like to see what his BG levels are before you put the dry food back down.
If you need to, you can give Toby some of the Orijen dry food if that new BG test shows him < 100 mg/dL (5.5 mmol/L).
Dry food takes longer to break down, and get glucose into the bloodstream to raise the BG levels.
On the other hand, it can stay in their system longer and keep them higher for a few cycles.

You did give him some greenies, which are high carb. So that may have been enough for now.
 
8.3 times 18 = 149.

Ok, that is a good rise from the HC temptations treats.

Do not put the dry food back down for now.
1 hour until your PMPS?
 
About 40 minutes until PMPS, I can wait until then to test now ? So the temptations took that long to raise levels even though they were given just before 10+ ?
 
Hailey K said:
About 40 minutes until PMPS, I can wait until then to test now ? So the temptations took that long to raise levels even though they were given just before 10+ ?
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Well, somewhere between the +10 and the +11, the temptations treats got digested and put some glucose into his system. No way to tell exactly when that was.
It could have taken that long to get into his system.
It's why we suggest wet food first, as that has a more rapid response on the BG levels.

Honey ( or maple syrup or corn syrup) usually works even faster. But wears off quicker too.

Yes you can wait until PMPS to test again.
 
I feel like I should mention his is on the last couple doses out of his bottle of insulin, there’s probably only 2-3 doses left in it. I obviously have a brand new bottle ready to go. Could that have been the cause ?
 
Prozinc insulin usually loses potency with time, after the bottle has been opened. I don't think the bottle being down to only a couple of doses caused the lows. It's usually the opposite effect, meaning the end of the vial causes the BG levels to be higher.
 
As far as a dose for tonight goes, I think you only want to give him a token dose. I'm recommending that because you don't have much test data.

A token dose is somewhere in the 10% to 25% range of the regular dose.
10% of 5.5U = 0.5U
25% of 5.5U = 1.37U (hard to measure so you would be better off to try and measure 1.25U or just a little bit over the 1U line)

Your second option is to skip the dose for tonight.
In either case, the token dose, or the skipped shot, Toby will likely be higher in the morning.
"Better too high for a cycle than too low."

I'm not able to stay up and help you any longer tonight. So use your best judgement. Start another thread if the BG's go low or you need more help.
 
I think that Toby is being way overdosed, especially since you are still feeding the HC food, and he dropped into the low blues today.

For the AM, I'd reduce the dose to half of what he is getting now. So no more than 2.25U.
It may not be enough, but let's keep him safe.
We can increase the dose if his BG numbers show us the lower dose isn't enough.

Your vet may not be happy with you for reducing the dose. But Toby needs less insulin.

I'm not usually able to be on the message board until later in the evenings, east coast time USA.

Read all you can. Print out that Prozinc dosing document from over in the Prozinc ISG group. Study it. Look at other threads of people using Prozinc.

The Prozinc forum can be kind of quiet. So if you post there and don't get a timely response, please post here in Feline Health forum.

I'm signing off for the night. Stay safe.
 
Thank you so much Deb. Incase anyone else jumps on here I gave Toby the 1.25 dose tonight and will retest at 2+ and see where we are. But if anyone could tell me how to link this thread to a new thread like Deb mentioned that would be great ! Thank you
 
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