2/6 Oliver AMPS HI,561 @+2, 245@5.75, 551@ +9, PSPM HI, 525@+2

Shelley & Oliver

Shelley & Oliver

Member Since 2021
Oliver is HI on the meter again today. I don’t want to get ahead of myself, I know you guys have an acronym for that :), but when do you think I can increase to 1u?
 
Marje said you might need to increase after 4 cycles. This is just the third one. Let’s see what happens today and tonight and then talk about dosing later tonight for tomorrow morning. I know it’s hard to see these high numbers but he won’t be there for long. Are you checking for ketones daily? How’s he behaving/feeling?
 
I don’t think we have an acronym for the high black numbers. I personally prefer “super friendly” when I have seen HI on the meter for Cosmo in the past.

I see that you had an 80pt drop between PMPS and +2 last night. For data and to learn how this dose is doing, do you think you could post tonight and ask if/when another test might be good?
 
Oh, I meant the acronym for being an inpatient pet owner. Haha. Thanks for attaching my link to from yesterday! Why can’t I remember that? He is behaving fine. Eating well, at his normal rate, and being mischievous.
And yes, I will do a +2 tonight for sure and post it. It seems like he is starting to develop a pattern?
 
Shelley & Oliver said:
Oh, I meant the acronym for being an inpatient pet owner. Haha. Thanks for attaching my link to from yesterday! Why can’t I remember that? He is behaving fine. Eating well, at his normal rate, and being mischievous.

No worries. If you forget we will add it. Glad he’s acting fine. Mischievous is good!

And yes, I will do a +2 tonight for sure and post it. It seems like he is starting to develop a pattern?
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Patterns once you see one often change with fd. Getting the +2 often helps as that’s when many cats onset. For Max onset was around +2.5 unless he was toying with a reduction. The +1 helps for many but not with Max. Feeding a little lc to avoid the big drops help prevent bounces. So once you start to see better numbers testing at different times will help you see some constant patterns. Max was very carb sensitive. That’s another thing to watch fir with Oliver.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Patterns once you see one often change with fd. Getting the +2 often helps as that’s when many cats onset. For Max onset was around +2.5 unless he was toying with a reduction. The +1 helps for many but not with Max. Feeding a little lc to avoid the big drops help prevent bounces. So once you start to see better numbers testing at different times will help you see some constant patterns. Max was very carb sensitive. That’s another thing to watch fir with Oliver.
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What does a little “lc” mean?
 
Sorry. Low carb food. That reminds me. What are you feeding him? Do you have middle carb and high carb foods around for when you need them? Time to stock up. Dr. Lusa Pierson’s food list is used a lot here but it’s outdated. Helen on her CKD site has a better list in that it’s updated often. It’s for kidney cats so the list is by phosphorus levels but she has a column with carbs. It’s good to have a go to food that’s 20% or higher that your cat loves in case he goes very low.
Lc=low carb under 10%
Mc= middle carb 11-19%
Hc= high carb 20%+

Others might give different %. A very carb sensitive cat might react to 15% as high carb. It’s an experiment as to what your cat needs.
 
LC is Low carb food. I guess that brings up a good question on what food you are feeding and timing. I see from yesterday that Oliver is mostly a grazer.

(most people try to stick a few cans of around 20% carb in their cupboard/low number kit)

The timing of giving food and what carb % to use and when is helpful to feed the curve.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Sorry. Low carb food. That reminds me. What are you feeding him? Do you have middle carb and high carb foods around for when you need them? Time to stock up. Dr. Lusa Pierson’s food list is used a lot here but it’s outdated. Helen on her CKD site has a better list in that it’s updated often. It’s for kidney cats so the list is by phosphorus levels but she has a column with carbs. It’s good to have a go to food that’s 20% or higher that your cat loves in case he goes very low.
Lc=low carb under 10%
Mc= middle carb 11-19%
Hc= high carb 20%+

Others might give different %. A very carb sensitive cat might react to 15% as high carb. It’s an experiment as to what your cat needs.
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We feed Oliver Friskies Pate and FF Pate. I have some Fancy Feast with gravy (which he dearly loves) and some temptations for if he has another hypo event. He had a really bad one and that’s how I ended up on this board. It’s been so helpful. And he always gets pâté after his shot. He is indeed a grazer. He likes to eat a little, go check out his sisters dish (same food) then wander around and gone back later.
 
thebigfuzz said:
Do you know which pates? And which FF gravy? For example, the beef might be different carb % from the chicken, etc.

We all were following your journey :bighug: and we are so glad you are here :bighug:
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Friskie Pate : ocean fish and Tuna, salmon dinner, Turkey and giblets. He is highly suspicious of the Poultry platter pate. Heh.
Fancy feast ocean fish and tuna feast classic pate and savory salmon pate.
His gravy food is in the car in the garage with his bag of hypo stuff. Will look later.
 
Ok, based on the food chart we have here on the site, here are the carb percentages I could find:

Friskie Pate :
ocean fish and Tuna 4%
salmon dinner 3%
Turkey and giblets 5%

Fancy feast
ocean fish and tuna feast 0%
savory salmon pate 1%

All of these are LC (low carb), so that’s good for everyday normal feeding.

If you are interested in getting a Medium carb (which can be helpful at times) or seeing the gravy food you have in your hypo kit, here is a food chart we have on the forum. It is sorted by brand.
https://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf
 
thebigfuzz said:
Ok, based on the food chart we have here on the site, here are the carb percentages I could find:

Friskie Pate :
ocean fish and Tuna 4%
salmon dinner 3%
Turkey and giblets 5%

Fancy feast
ocean fish and tuna feast 0%
savory salmon pate 1%

All of these are LC (low carb), so that’s good for everyday normal feeding.

If you are interested in getting a Medium carb (which can be helpful at times) or seeing the gravy food you have in your hypo kit, here is a food chart we have on the forum. It is sorted by brand.
https://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf
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Thank you! I’m sure he would like some variety.
 
Shelley & Oliver said:
Haha. Yeah. Can I borrow them?
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Of course you can! The closet is always well-stocked with freshly laundered patience pants. As @thebigfuzz says, there isn't an acronym for being impatient. But you'll hear people say a lot that FD is a marathon, not a sprint. And it's true. Here you go:
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From The Official Lantus, Basaglar, & Levemir ISG Slang Dictionary
LC = low carb aka reg canned food or raw (usually 10% carbs or less, depending on the carb sensitivity of the cat)
MC = Medium carb food (usually 11 - 15% carbs, depending on the carb sensitivity of the cat)
HC = High carb canned food (usually 16 - 24% carbs, depending on the cat)

Each cat really is different. My girl didn't need much more than 16-17% HC. Until you learn Oliver's carb sensitivity, it's fine to err on the side of more carbs, not less.

To me "Hi" meant the meter was greeting me in the morning. For some reason it was always the AM, not the PM. :rolleyes:

Today is cycle 4 at 0.75 units. You could increase tonight, but I'd wait until tomorrow morning unless you are willing to get extra tests in tonight.
 
Shelley & Oliver said:
Friskie Pate : ocean fish and Tuna, salmon dinner, Turkey and giblets. He is highly suspicious of the Poultry platter pate. Heh.
Fancy feast ocean fish and tuna feast classic pate and savory salmon pate.
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That’s a lot of fish. Not that you need anything else to ponder, but Dr Lisa Pierson (who used to post here and authored the food charts) has this comment on her website (www.catinfo.org):

“You will notice that many of the higher protein diets are fish-based but it is not a good idea to feed fish to cats. Or, at least not as their main diet. Fish can be high in mercury, high in PBDEs (fire retardant chemicals linked to hyperthyroidism), high in phosphorus (not good for older cats’ kidneys) and can be very addicting. It is best to feed poultry-based diets to cats.”

Lots of other good reading on that website as well.

Of course, every cat is different and has different issues and needs. And sometimes we just have to focus on one thing at a time. It’s just something to keep in mind for the future.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
From The Official Lantus, Basaglar, & Levemir ISG Slang Dictionary
LC = low carb aka reg canned food or raw (usually 10% carbs or less, depending on the carb sensitivity of the cat)
MC = Medium carb food (usually 11 - 15% carbs, depending on the carb sensitivity of the cat)
HC = High carb canned food (usually 16 - 24% carbs, depending on the cat)

Each cat really is different. My girl didn't need much more than 16-17% HC. Until you learn Oliver's carb sensitivity, it's fine to err on the side of more carbs, not less.

To me "Hi" meant the meter was greeting me in the morning. For some reason it was always the AM, not the PM. :rolleyes:

Today is cycle 4 at 0.75 units. You could increase tonight, but I'd wait until tomorrow morning unless you are willing to get extra tests in tonight.
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Tomorrow morning is better, I am not a night person, so ...and about the “Hi” I will treat it as such! A morning greeting. When you are talking about your kitty’s HC are you taking about pulling her out of a hypo? I do need to keep him under 10% on a normal day?
 
JL and Chip said:
That’s a lot of fish. Not that you need anything else to ponder, but Dr Lisa Pierson (who used to post here and authored the food charts) has this comment on her website (www.catinfo.org):

“You will notice that many of the higher protein diets are fish-based but it is not a good idea to feed fish to cats. Or, at least not as their main diet. Fish can be high in mercury, high in PBDEs (fire retardant chemicals linked to hyperthyroidism), high in phosphorus (not good for older cats’ kidneys) and can be very addicting. It is best to feed poultry-based diets to cats.”

Lots of other good reading on that website as well.

Of course, every cat is different and has different issues and needs. And sometimes we just have to focus on one thing at a time. It’s just something to keep in mind for the future.
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I DID see that about fish. Gah. This link was a very good thing for me to read. Just trying to keep him happy, he has just today displayed a fondness for Turkey and Giblets pate so I will, now that I have this great list, look for some more poultry based foods.
 
Normally we'd stick to under 10%, unless you are deliberately trying to steer the numbers up. Unless otherwise needed, use HC to get him out of low numbers, which is below 50. Below 50 isn't necessarily hypo on a human meter, but is lower than we want a cat on insulin to be.
 
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