New Member 23/10 Recent diagnosis difficult Main Coon

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Critter Mom said:
Caninsulin (aka Vetsulin) is licensed for use in both dogs and cats in the UK and also in the EU.

Cats typically do not get adequate duration of effect on this insulin. My understanding is that dogs get better duration on it.


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Mogs, you were correct about the duration. I will be looking to switch to Prozinc soon, as she is getting fed up with twice daily injections, and letting me know about it!
 
Hi everyone, when switching from Caninsulin to Prozinc, would you expect to give the same initial dose or lower?
 
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When the vet swapped us over we were on 1.5 iu of cansulin but he moved us to 1.0iu of Prozinc. So it was lower - the vet said he was doing that for safety as cats can react differently to different insulin so he dropped it back down.
Not sure if that is a standard approach but that's what happened with us. I'm sure others will offer you the benefit of their much more vast than me experiences.
PS after the post 2 weeks BG curve he put us back up to 1.5 iu as he was happy that Mac didn't have any over-sensitivity to Prozinc.
You could always try posting this on the prozinc forum too.
Gill
 
Gill & Mac (UK) said:
Hi
When the vet swapped us over we were on 1.5 iu of cansulin but he moved us to 1.0iu of Prozinc. So it was lower - the vet said he was doing that for safety as cats can react differently to different insulin so he dropped it back down.
Not sure if that is a standard approach but that's what happened with us. I'm sure others will offer you the benefit of their much more vast than me experiences.
PS after the post 2 weeks BG curve he put us back up to 1.5 iu as he was happy that Mac didn't have any over-sensitivity to Prozinc.
You could always try posting this on the prozinc forum too.
Gill
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Thanks Gill. The Vet will call me in the week to discuss.
 
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Wurly is rejecting the injections now, 3 x fur shot and one abandoned due to violent behaviour. Just managed the first shot in 2 days, she had been sick twice and was awake all day today (not her normal routine)
Does anyone have any ideas on how to resolve the situation? She is big and fiery and I have tried different rooms. I have ordered a Pheromone spray to go on my glove to see if this works. Asking Vet to switch to Prozinc for longer lasting cover.
Left arm rapidly getting covered in marks :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
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Wurly is rejecting the injections now, 3 x fur shot and one abandoned due to violent behaviour.
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Without the preshot BGs it's impossible to know but typically Caninsulin can produce big, steep drops in BG and that can make some cats feel really cruddy so that could potentially be a reason why Wurly is fighting you. Saoirse got to the stage where she ***hated*** getting Caninsulin injections. She started hiding in the most inaccessible places she could find when she knew her injections were due and even when I managed to get hold of her she would try hard to resist my attempts to administer the dose. I've seen reports of similar behaviour from other members whose cats were on Caninsulin too.

Saoirse was switched to Lantus and never once hid or resisted the injections thereafter. I hope that a switch to a different insulin will similarly help Wurly.


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Critter Mom said:
Without the preshot BGs it's impossible to know but typically Caninsulin can produce big, steep drops in BG and that can make some cats feel really cruddy so that could potentially be a reason why Wurly is fighting you. Saoirse got to the stage where she ***hated*** getting Caninsulin injections. She started hiding in the most inaccessible places she could find when she knew her injections were due and even when I managed to get hold of her she would try hard to resist my attempts to administer the dose. I've seen reports of similar behaviour from other members whose cats were on Caninsulin too.

Saoirse was switched to Lantus and never once hid or resisted the injections thereafter. I hope that a switch to a different insulin will similarly help Wurly.


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We went a good three weeks without too much trouble and now it seems like we are back at the start. Going to ring Vet in the morning to get the prescription changed, else I will take Wurly up there and let her sort them out! Thanks for the advice again Mogs, I was thinking solely that she was bothered by the injection that I didn't relate to the way it made her feel. When I prick her ear she just twitches and lets me get blood no problem, so it makes sense.
 
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Be sure to let us know how you get on.


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Collected Prozinc today, first shot will be in the morning, I am at home for 4 days so can test and monitor. Vet has suggested 1IU once a day until Wurly has calmed down a bit and I can supply a curve and Nadir as obviously they are trusting me without even seeing Wurly whilst switching insulin. Fingers crossed. The Prozinc datasheet makes multiple references to cat's going in to remission, here's hoping :)
 
1st shot today with Prozinc took ages, she was really not in the mood and I had to make sure 100% that it went in. But 6 hours later she tested at 11.6 with a reduced dose from previous which showed 15 so looking better :) and as I am only giving one dose for a while I might try my luck with another test on the ear later :nailbiting:
 
Gill & Mac (UK) said:
You're not alone - no fur shots for several weeks then 2 the week before last.
Think the fates of FD just like to keep us on our toes !!!
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I have been looking at the auto injection pens, takes away the risk of the cat turning around suddenly and also gets the needle in the correct location on the skin. Think I might order one and try it.
 
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