Loose stools - possible EPI

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Amanda Guimarães

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My cat has had issues with loose stools since we rescued him, 4 months ago. He had his better period when he consumed a wet-food with hidrolized protein + rice that was made for cats that needed to put on weigh fast.

But we stopped with this food and started with regular after he put some weight and it´s been inconsistent right now for two months. He started with low-carb wet food 2 weeks ago and his stomach got worst. The vet reccomended fortiflora, canikur and others, but nothing really worried.

It´s a suspicion he has EPI. We got his exams today and the result was in the gray zone. Could be, could not be. We will test again on 30 days, as reccomended by the vet.

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Meanwhile, since his situation did got better for a period, and it does get better from time to time... Do you have suggestions if there is something I can do?
 

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@Critter Mom Severino´s menu has been variable since he moved in! I know it´s not ideal, but we had a journey in here.

He had an overdosis of dewormer two days before I found him (someone trying to help when he was living outdoors gave him way too much).

Following the first veterinary reccomendations, Severino has had kitten food; than food for weight recovery (https://www.zooplus.se/shop/katt/kattmat_vatfoder/kattovit/kattovit_support/718442).

Finally, he was having dry food by Royal Canin when we got the diagnosis. So I started doing the transition gradually. A bit of the wet low carb food, 90% of the previous food, and I was going to gradually increase the quantity of wet food. Well, my plan was ruined in the second day, when Severino refused to eat his dry food and just wanted to eat the low carb wet food. We tried different things but he refused to eat the other food; so he made the transition himself.
 
Have you tried Saccharomyces boulardi with MOS made by Jarrows? Here is some other info about EPI.

It’s a pretty characteristic symptom of EPI for stools to be grayish-yellow in color and to smell horrific especially if it’s diarrhea.


I haven´t tried it yet! Thank you for the reccomendation. I will read this link.

Well, it´s mostly dark brown. Sometimes it´s a bit more beige.
 
Well, my plan was ruined in the second day, when Severino refused to eat his dry food and just wanted to eat the low carb wet food. We tried different things but he refused to eat the other food; so he made the transition himself.
I know that tune, Amanda. Had a similar story with Saoirse. She just stopped eating her old food.

The sudden (cat-controlled!) transition is one thing that might possibly have triggered the current GI upset.

Saoirse only once had an issue with extreme inability to digest her food and that was during the height of a really bad pancreatitis flare. I can personally attest to the veracity of Marje's comments about the poor stool quality due to lack of pancreatic enzymes: they are absolutely foul-smelling. (I'm talking really evil here.) Also, in addition to the pale, greyish colour, they tend to have a 'fluffy', soft marshmallowy texture (steatorrhoea).


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I know that tune, Amanda. Had a similar story with Saoirse. She just stopped eating her old food.

The sudden (cat-controlled!) transition is one thing that might possibly have triggered the current GI upset.

Saoirse only once had an issue with inability to properly digest her food and that was during the height of a really bad pancreatitis flare. I can personally attest to the veracity of Marje's comments about the poor stool quality due to lack of pancreatic enzymes: they are absolutely foul-smelling. (I'm talking really evil here.) Also, in addition to the pale, greyish colour, they tend to have a 'fluffy', soft marshmallowy texture (steatorrhoea).


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Very interesting; so he might not be EPI after all!!! thank you for your input!
BTW, I must say that I am so impressed by Saoirse´s Profile and the Spreadsheet! <3 <3 Amazing and really inspiring!
 
Marje's comments about the poor stool quality due to lack of pancreatic enzymes: they are absolutely foul-smelling. (I'm talking really evil here.) Also, in addition to the pale, greyish colour, they tend to have a 'fluffy', soft marshmallowy texture (steatorrhoea).
I had an EPI kitty. When uncontrolled his poop smell was truly awful, unbelievable out of this world horrid - it wasn't a clear the room situation but clear the entire house!
 
Hi Amanda! I am so sorry to hear about Severino's EPI possibility. My non-diabetic, Bella, was just diagnosed with EPI in June of this year, although we had been trying to find out what was wrong with her for about a year prior. I'll give you Bella's rundown of symptoms to give you an idea. I know it's harder for you here since you only recently rescued your beautiful boy.

Bella has always been really healthy, although she's a vomiter (ugh, the agony). In July 2019, I brought her in for her yearly physical expecting her to be overweight because she's on the same food schedule as our diabetic, who's a big boy. She was actually down to 12 pounds from 15. I had a chemistry panel done and her liver values were slightly off, so she went on a liver supplement for the next 3 months. I bring her in to be retested, and she's down to 10 pounds. Thankfully her liver values were back within normal range. During this time, she's become absolutely ravenous, jumping on countertops for the first time in her life, going through the garbage, etc. She's also really thirsty all the time. So I added on a thyroid check, but no hyperthyroidism nor diabetes (which are the frontrunner diagnoses when your cat is starving even when eating normally). We decide that maybe there's an issue with her teeth, because her mouth stinks and she's even started having this mucus-filled light brown diarrhea that you can smell everywhere in the house. It's absolutely horrendous. We do a dental, and she has a little tarter, no extractions, which is wildly perplexing. I bring her back one more time and she had actually gained like 0.5 pounds, which the vet thought was great, and I thought was besides the point. I mean, it could be water weight or from just eating. The vet offers to do an x-ray to placate me, and they find nothing.

I wait a while and she's really deteriorating. You can feel her ribs when you pet her, and her hip bones are jutting out. One day she rejects food (she didn't even come down for breakfast, which has NEVER happened), and she has this glassy look to her. I think she's going to die that day. I get her into another vet the same day, who FINALLY comments on how worried she is about Bella's loss of muscle mass. She's down to 6.6 pounds at this point and weirdly stopped vomiting, which I took as another bad sign. We schedule an ultrasound and the vet can't find her spleen. She cannot find any other obvious signs of anything, so she's thinking that she likely has cancer. Unfortunately, they're not sure if she'll be able to survive chemo, since she has wasted away to nothing. She's on an appetite stimulant and anti-nausea medicine. The vet asks me if I'd be willing to do another ultrasound in 2 weeks at no charge. She'd like to see if there's any changes. It takes about 4 days really for Bella to come back to herself and for her eyes to clear. Her ravenous appetite comes back. We bring her back in for the ultrasound, which goes much better. Her belly is less tender and the vet can see some of the spleen, but it's been blocked by what looks to be the pancreas, which is inflamed. I had asked to do the GI panel and the vet concurred. We sent off the sample and get the results: EPI with a severe Vitamin B12 deficiency. Bella's TLI was at 3.7 and her Cobalamin (B12) was less than 150, which means it wasn't even registering. We started her B12 injections (once a week) and she started gaining muscle mass almost immediately, which to me indicates how deficient she really was. We started her on pancreatic supplements soon after as well. She's back up to around 8-9 pounds now, which is more normal for her frame, but now her ribs aren't sticking out. She's still hungry and thirsty (after eating the supplements), but is so much better overall. The vet thought she might suffer from chronic pancreatitis, although she's never been hospitalized for it.

So Bella's main symptoms were extreme hunger, thirst, mucusy light-brown diarrhea, and extreme weight loss. It's hard to say if Severino truly has EPI, but it's definitely possible with that questionable TLI. It could just be some GI upset from his change in circumstances. I definitely hope he doesn't have it, but I look forward to hearing about his follow-up test results!
 
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