Mauer

SashaV

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So I was driving with my mom and complaining about Mauers high AM pre-shot BG. And my mom said "I really do think you need to shoot higher in her PM cycle!"
I looked back at her "Seriously?! Not you too?!?!":blackeye::arghh:

So message received! @Deb & Wink and @JanetNJ :D
I got it! What are the odds of getting two pm +5 in a row that's totally identical?

By the way, I calculated wrong with Mauers insurance and therefore I'm kinda screwed until payday, and I'm running out of prozinc :banghead:
I do have two old ones in the fridge, but both is contaminated by drawing the insulin up, and pushing it back into the vial.
It's so clear that since I stopped doing it, the insulin has much more power!
So how much will I mess up, by giving her from the old one? :nailbiting:
Is it a totally bad idea?
The other alternative is I find the money somewhere somehow....
Seriously I'm so terrible with numbers, so besides the fact that it absolutely sucks having a diabetic cat.... all those numbers sure doesn't make it better! :arghh::eek:


Thank you!:bighug:
Gosh this would be overwhelmingly hard without your support and help. It's so amazing! I wish I could pay you back somehow for all your help :bighug:
 
So I was driving with my mom and complaining about Mauers high AM pre-shot BG. And my mom said "I really do think you need to shoot higher in her PM cycle!"
I looked back at her "Seriously?! Not you too?!?!":blackeye::arghh:

So message received! @Deb & Wink and @JanetNJ :D
I got it! What are the odds of getting two pm +5 in a row that's totally identical?

By the way, I calculated wrong with Mauers insurance and therefore I'm kinda screwed until payday, and I'm running out of prozinc :banghead:
I do have two old ones in the fridge, but both is contaminated by drawing the insulin up, and pushing it back into the vial.
It's so clear that since I stopped doing it, the insulin has much more power!
So how much will I mess up, by giving her from the old one? :nailbiting:
Is it a totally bad idea?
The other alternative is I find the money somewhere somehow....
Seriously I'm so terrible with numbers, so besides the fact that it absolutely sucks having a diabetic cat.... all those numbers sure doesn't make it better! :arghh::eek:


Thank you!:bighug:
Gosh this would be overwhelmingly hard without your support and help. It's so amazing! I wish I could pay you back somehow for all your help :bighug:
listen to your mother. lol Do at LEAST 3.5 and see what happens. We want some PM BLUES. lol I think you are going to need to go to 3.75 or 4 in the pm, but I know you are nervous about it, so work your way up. Use up every drop of the insulin you have. I doubt the contaminated ones are really that bad. Use up every drop, then if you need a few days of the old ones it's probably fine until you get a new one.
 
So I was driving with my mom and complaining about Mauers high AM pre-shot BG. And my mom said "I really do think you need to shoot higher in her PM cycle!"
Listen to your mom! Moms know best!

I got it! What are the odds of getting two pm +5 in a row that's totally identical?
I've seen it before with other members here. Even happens from 1 hour to the next sometimes.

Gosh this would be overwhelmingly hard without your support and help. It's so amazing! I wish I could pay you back somehow for all your help
You already have thanked all of us here, by continuing to treat Mauer. Simple as that.
So how much will I mess up, by giving her from the old one? :nailbiting:
Is it a totally bad idea?
Depends on how old the previous vials are and how long they have been open. More than 6 months? It's a bit iffier if the insulin would be potent enough if they are that old. Does the insulin in the vials still look good? No floating particles. Never frozen accidentally by pushing the vial to the back of the fridge where it's often colder. (I've got some fresh carrots in the cold back corner of my fridge - that have frozen and re-thawed a couple of times - but they are fine and are even sweeter and tastier.) You might not see the same results from the older vials. But some older insulin is better than no insulin at all. No insulin could lead to ketones and DKA and you don't want that to happen. So use the old vials as long as they look good.

p.s. You'll have to think of me as your "grandma"! Yes, you are young enough to be my grandchild. ;)
 
listen to your mother. lol Do at LEAST 3.5 and see what happens. We want some PM BLUES. lol I think you are going to need to go to 3.75 or 4 in the pm, but I know you are nervous about it, so work your way up. Use up every drop of the insulin you have. I doubt the contaminated ones are really that bad. Use up every drop, then if you need a few days of the old ones it's probably fine until you get a new one.
I did a FAT 3.25 closer to 3.50 than 3.25 and it did nothing. So I'm afraid you're right, I really do need to go higher.
I'll use every single drop, that crap is expensive :D:eek:
 
It's freaky that they're SO close! On two different days.

I'll always continue to treat her, as long as it's in her best interest. I'm not at all ready to let her go. I can't see my life without her, and I've never had to say goodbye to someone who has been in my life that long. Totally unthinkable.

Deb, be honest... did you put the carrots there on purpose? :D:p
I'll check them before I decide, one is in the door of the fridge and one on a shelf in the middle. None of them is over 6 months.

You're grandma Deb! Wise, clever and always there for good advice :bighug::bighug:

I need a butt rubber. Or Miver does :oops:
And right over the doorstep :banghead:
 

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I'll always continue to treat her, as long as it's in her best interest. I'm not at all ready to let her go. I can't see my life without her, and I've never had to say goodbye to someone who has been in my life that long. Totally unthinkable.
See! You've already paid us back.

Deb, be honest... did you put the carrots there on purpose?
I bought those carrots back in April or May, during one of my few forays to the grocery store during lockdown, and still haven't used them. I've been buying shredded carrots which are easier to use in food dishes. I do like carrots, but I don't like to peel them, and they are too bitter to eat with the skins on.
 
I bought those carrots back in April or May, during one of my few forays to the grocery store during lockdown, and still haven't used them. I've been buying shredded carrots which are easier to use in food dishes. I do like carrots, but I don't like to peel them, and they are too bitter to eat with the skins on.

I'd probably do the same :D
But I like skins. Especially on new carrots and potatoes, both uncooked.

Did you get snow yet, Deb? :bighug:
 
We usually suggest that people ask for an acromegaly test when the dose for each cycle reaches 5 to 6 units.
If you do get the blood drawn for the acromegaly test, you should get the IAA (Insulin Auto Antibodies) test done at the same time. Blood samples have to be sent out to a special lab. I think the only place in Europe that does this test, is the RVC outside London. Shipping is a big part of the cost.

Did you get snow yet, Deb?
We had snow back on October 30th, the day before Halloween. There was 3 inches, enough to shovel since it was wet and slushy and the temperatures were going to plummet overnight, turning it to a sheet of ice on my steep, long driveway. Melted in about 4 days. No snow since then, thankfully.

Very cold here right now, in the 20's F (6 Celcius). Warming up this weekend is expected.
 
When did you know? That something else was wrong...
We were up to 8 units and she still needed more. My vet kept acting like I was overdosing her and was going to kill her. She had me try lowering the dose and that just resulted in red numbers and ketones forming. She finally agreed to the test. I tried to tell her 6 months before that that I thought she had it but she said no, it's so so rare... I said it's not THAT rare, and that there's a group of acro cats on the fdmb board. She went to a seminar on FD and came back to say she learned that it's more common then once thought and agreed to do the test. Not a surprise to me, but it was positive. At least at that point the vet stepped back and stopped trying to micromanage my dosing and let me do what I needed to do again without a lecture. (yes, she actually had me arrange a "consultation" to discuss my dosing (rolls eyes). Didn't need that.) Overall she's a great vet... I don't really blame her.. I'd be concerned if I heard my patient was on that much insulin too!! BUt I knew what I was doing. She wound up going up to 12.5 units before It came back down... then went back up.... then came back down. hahaha Currently she's on about 7-7.25 u
 
Idexx in Germany is also an option I believe.
I'm back on the Cushings, she's CAN loose weight but without changes in her diet she gains it right back on.
At some point I just don't wanna know. No cure or treatment, and if she keeps gaining weight time is very limited.


I'm sitting in the garden, we have 2 degrees celsius right now, but no snow.
Nice to think ahead and shovel before it turned to ice!
I'm hoping on a white Christmas, it's been so long since we've had snow on Christmas. Or even just in December.

Did you see her nice numbers last night?!:D
 

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We were up to 8 units and she still needed more. My vet kept acting like I was overdosing her and was going to kill her. She had me try lowering the dose and that just resulted in red numbers and ketones forming. She finally agreed to the test. I tried to tell her 6 months before that that I thought she had it but she said no, it's so so rare... I said it's not THAT rare, and that there's a group of acro cats on the fdmb board. She went to a seminar on FD and came back to say she learned that it's more common then once thought and agreed to do the test. Not a surprise to me, but it was positive. At least at that point the vet stepped back and stopped trying to micromanage my dosing and let me do what I needed to do again without a lecture. (yes, she actually had me arrange a "consultation" to discuss my dosing (rolls eyes). Didn't need that.) Overall she's a great vet... I don't really blame her.. I'd be concerned if I heard my patient was on that much insulin too!! BUt I knew what I was doing. She wound up going up to 12.5 units before It came back down... then went back up.... then came back down. hahaha Currently she's on about 7-7.25 u
Gosh!!!
At least your vet knew that it was possible. My vet said cats don't get cushings o_O
Id be concerned too, insulin is a powerful drug. But sometimes we know best, we see them everyday, know them inside out.. and our gut feeling is sometimes spot on and is worth to take into consideration.

Mauer got diagnosed on my gut feeling that she had arthritis in her hind legs.... cause she was wet every time she went to the littertray to pee. Is was sugar spilling, x-rays didn't show anything so my vet did a urine sample, combined with her BG that we thought was caused by stress.
Just sometimes the owners observations is a crucial part...

What a dose!:nailbiting: Now I understand why you buy new vials so often :woot:
 
Gosh!!!
At least your vet knew that it was possible. My vet said cats don't get cushings o_O
Id be concerned too, insulin is a powerful drug. But sometimes we know best, we see them everyday, know them inside out.. and our gut feeling is sometimes spot on and is worth to take into consideration.

Mauer got diagnosed on my gut feeling that she had arthritis in her hind legs.... cause she was wet every time she went to the littertray to pee. Is was sugar spilling, x-rays didn't show anything so my vet did a urine sample, combined with her BG that we thought was caused by stress.
Just sometimes the owners observations is a crucial part...

What a dose!:nailbiting: Now I understand why you buy new vials so often :woot:
Yeah I miss the days of keeping vials for months BUT with this smaller 7 unit dose is lasting about a month where when it was 12ish it lasted just a couple of weeks.

Good job advocating for your cat.
 
It's your job, isn't it?
Advocating for our animals who can't talk for themselves.

Since yours has agromegaly, does she look like it? In humans it causes deformations, like huge heads for example..
 
It's your job, isn't it?
Advocating for our animals who can't talk for themselves.

Since yours has agromegaly, does she look like it? In humans it causes deformations, like huge heads for example..
Her face hasn't changed fortunately. It did give her a pot belly (not fat, but enlarged organs) and her front elbows bow out. We give adequan shots to help her joints.
 
Her face hasn't changed fortunately. It did give her a pot belly (not fat, but enlarged organs) and her front elbows bow out. We give adequan shots to help her joints.
Sad to hear about her organs and elbows.
Just unfair. But glad to see she's living a good life with her condition :bighug:
 
Mauer DID have some nice blues last night! Good for her.:cool:

Truly, Cushings is much rarer in cats than either acromegaly or IAA.
But since you are the one that advocates for Mauer, get the tests done that you think she needs.

I thought you had already had Mauer tested for Cushings? Or you were going to?
 
Mauer DID have some nice blues last night! Good for her.:cool:

Truly, Cushings is much rarer in cats than either acromegaly or IAA.
But since you are the one that advocates for Mauer, get the tests done that you think she needs.

I thought you had already had Mauer tested for Cushings? Or you were going to?
You're right, but I changed my mind since she started to loose weight. Then I thought maybe I overreacted, also because this is finally working! Her spreadsheet isn't dominated by pink or yellow, it's freaking blue!

And the recommendation if a cat has cushings...is to put them to sleep. Her limping is much better with her healthier numbers. Now she's almost at 8 kilos.
I don't know :(
 
Her spreadsheet isn't dominated by pink or yellow, it's freaking blue!
Yes, you are seeing more blues Sasha.

It's up to you Sasha, if you decide to go ahead with any more blood testing for Mauer, to test for Cushing's.

There are certain drugs that can help with Cushing's. So push back on your vet if they still recommend euthanasia.
Perhaps this article would help you with other treatment options, if Mauer does end up having Cushing's.
https://www.dvm360.com/view/feline-facets-cushings-diseasedo
 
Monday the 23 she got 90% of the "new" prozinc and 10% of the old, still she went blue already at +3, it happens but usually its +4, today it happened again. No floaters, just even milk white.. maybe it wasn't as bad and lazy as I thought?!

I shot lower on purpose today. I might need to be out of the house most of the day, a rabbit is free on it's own paws in a big city, so my friend and I might try to catch it.

New vial is ordered and is ready at my pharmacy, I'll pick it up at payday.

Hope you're all safe! :bighug:
 
So that 77 came as a surprise.
I'm glad I stayed home.
I'm not unhappy with the 77 it's a healthy number, yay!
But I'm not comfortable if it goes lower :oops::banghead:
I'm working on it!

Seriously thats a big drop in only an hour?! Specially since she already was blue... I really didn't see that coming! And here i thought the old vial was lazy. Darn I'm glad I didn't shoot 4.5 like yesterday, oh my...
 
13.4 +2.20
Spreadsheet is acting up again. I'll update here till amps, unless (anti-jinx!!!) I end up having my own little PJ party.
 
Nice green at +6 today for Mauer, even with the "Old" vial of prozinc.


I might need to be out of the house most of the day, a rabbit is free on it's own paws in a big city, so my friend and I might try to catch it.
A bunny? Loose in the city? Do you mean like someone's pet rabbit got loose?
 
Nice run of blues for Mauer this AM. Way to go Mauer!!!!!
I know, right?! But why?!

I've drawn the insulin up, and put it back in the vial. It wasn't as powerful the first time I used it, she only went in the yellows. It was so "tired" the first time I bought a new vial and left half of it in the fridge, in case she needed it later. I really don't understand why it's working this good.
In my mind I was prepared to shoot higher, to counteract its laziness :p:joyful:

I am positively surprised for sure!

Since she's overall lower, even when she goes high she doesn't act like it. She's never "far away" in her sleep, leaking sugar in her urine even if she pees a lot. Gosh I love her!
 
Gosh a day I had yesterday...
I was going to my friends vacation home, a 100 km from my home, my sister agreed to test Mauer during the day, so I drove at +2.
I shot lower on purpose, still she was blue.

Seriously I ended up driving a half hour to get in and out of the area to find that stupid AMAZING house! And on my way out. Since it was an hour and 15 minutes every way, I went home to shoot the cat. When I got to the car it was frozen! I don't have the right tires to drive in minus degrees! So I drove slowly and safe - no need to kill myself rushing home to shoot the cat. And then I freaking almost ran out of fuel.
Called my sister on my way home, saying I might not make it in time to shoot Mauer. So she agreed to do it.

When I finally got home I did a +2, and it was going down... usually it's not, so I knew that I needed to get that +5 no matter what. So I slept with the lights on.

That house... oh my God...
What a view. See the picture, standing on the porch looking at the ocean.

Then off to bed, finally! And then someone and I don't know who, but I'm guessing it was the dog.... he puked in my bed!!!!! :banghead::(:mad:


Last week I had a talk with an awesome woman here in DK, her cat just got diagnosed and she was curious about this whole new world. She saw my comments on Facebook, and before we talked she tossed the dryfood and bought a meter - even though her vet advised her not to test :banghead:
So she had some numbers when we were talking, only 15 and 16mmol readings with no food. Her vet only offered caninsulin and I told her to not accept it. In Denmark we have a rule that says a vet only can prescribe vet medicine, until it has proven to be ineffective. They didn't offer prozinc and wouldn't agree to prescribe it, so I told her to get a new vet. And so she did! The new vet thought prozinc was a great idea, told her how good it was to test. The vet is pro raw food! And so the vet wanted to see how the cat was doing on raw food with testing, before starting insulin. I don't believe the cat will go that much lower, but at least he'll be on a good and safe diet without the risk of a hypo.
So I hope we get a new member some time soon! Who actually has a vet who's brain and logic is working :D
I love being positively surprised! Just sad that vet isn't in my area :D
 

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Oh my goodness! What adventures you had yesterday, between your scary drive back and forth to visit, getting yourself back home safely in icy driving conditions, and the vomit in your bed. I'm sure you could have done without some of that "excitement".

I still think you could raise the PM dose a bit. Too many yellow BG numbers in the PM cycle, not enough blues.
So I hope we get a new member some time soon! Who actually has a vet who's brain and logic is working :D
I love being positively surprised! Just sad that vet isn't in my area
Her newer vet sounds like a winner!
 
Uuuh! Unusual low AMPS! Exciting!
I was about to shoot a 4U then I changed my mind, and went with a fat 3.75U almost a 4.
Now I see, at the 6 november I did the same thing without her going green. :banghead:
So now I wished I followed my first instinct. So typical! But she went blue last night, yaaaay!

Her behavior is so strange! Really she's acting like a kitten again, she pupils are big, she's so playful Miver almost gets enough of her, she's talking like an idiot all the time - at the dryer, to herself, to me even. We have nice conversations with her in the bathroom and me in the living room :D
It's really funny and so strange! She's been lazy so long, and now it's like she's on speed!

I'm going to pick up a new vial tomorrow. Usually I lower the dose the frist few cycles to see if it bumps her down. But maybe I shouldn't?
 
I'm going to pick up a new vial tomorrow. Usually I lower the dose the frist few cycles to see if it bumps her down. But maybe I shouldn't?

I don't think you should lower the dose for the new vial of Prozinc.
That is because you are very good at monitoring Mauer and so far every time you have lowered the dose for a new (or different vial), it causes Mauer a setback in her BG control.

Hyperactive Mauer! So she is feeling good these days, and it sounds like she keeps telling you that with her constant conversations. Let's keep Mauer feeling good by NOT lowering the dose this time.

Hesitation or second guessing yourself leads to Mauer not getting good BG numbers. So you need to overcome your fear, and stop hesitating.

I think if you had kept Mauer at 4U this morning, 11/29/20, you would have finally seen some greens in the AM cycle. You WANT to see those greens. More greens!
:D:D:D
 
You're so right, Deb!
7 days in a row with blue! Today is going to be the 8 :cool:

You sure have a point, I'm testing a lot... specially in her AM cycle so I'd definitely catch her, if she goes too low. So why am I afraid? I haven't thought of it that way.

She's feeling so great, its really amazing to see :bighug:

I'm not sure she would have gone green though, I gave her a FAT and I really do mean a FAT 3.75U, it was a tiny drop from being a 4U.

Now she's starting to go up on her own without food.
Should I try something else with her food? Usually I let her go as far down as she can, and then feed her.

I'm aiming for green! :D:p
 
I take it back :banghead::(
Doesn't look like a blue day. Her mood is still high though!

She's still gaining weight, today she was at 8 kilos. Went to buy some raw food and decided so switch Mauer to a different version of the Mush Barf, that has 2% less fat. Hopefully that will do the trick! If not, then I'm going to get that bloodtest for IAA and cushings. But fingers crossed!
 
You are priceless!!!
Well, we only have the fun we make ourselves! :D
I take that literally as you can hear! :D:p


So she went blue, that was awesome! I fed her and went on thinking that was it... but it wasn't, cause nothing ever is. PMPS 7.4 :eek:
She didn't eat much, but still..
I was expecting twice that number.
So I made the decision to shoot lower than I otherwise would, cause I have a feeling....
She surprised me once today, and now I'm regretting not testing her after the 10 at +7..so it wouldn't be a surprise if she does something unusual like going lower without the high rise first. But we'll see about that!

So sorry for the spam today Deb! It's been a funny unusual day :oops:

Tomorrow its the new vial, and I'm not going lower I promise!
 
Should I try something else with her food? Usually I let her go as far down as she can, and then feed her.
You really should not be feeding Mauer after the middle of the cycle, the +6 time. The insulin will have been used up by then, and the numbers will go up more if you feed after that point.

The exception to feeding Mauer after the +6, would be if she got into the greens, say around 70 or lower. Or is she was really low in the first few hours of the cycle.

I almost tried to high-five Mauer..a cat..
Thank you Sasha! You made me laugh!!!!!

She surprised me once today, and now I'm regretting not testing her after the 10 at +7..so it wouldn't be a surprise if she does something unusual like going lower without the high rise first.
Second guessing ourselves, in all the choices we make. Should have, could have, would have. "Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff". In other words, you can't change the past so you move forward from where you are now, and see what you would like to do differently. Don't regret your decisions, big ones or small ones.

So sorry for the spam today Deb!
What spam? Green eggs and spam by Dr. Suess? No, that's "Green Eggs and Ham"! But none for Mauer girl, since she needs to lose weight.
 
7.9 Deb!
I had that feeling.....
Ill do a +6 just to make sure she's going up.
Will answer the rest tomorrow. It's 2pm here.
 
I think you mean 2 AM, wee hours of the morning for you over in Denmark.

Tomorrow is fine.
I do mean 2 am :banghead:
Why can't you guys use the same time as the rest of the world? And centimeters, kilograms, kilometer :D
Am after midnight, got it. I'll forget it again I'm sure of that!:p

But if I feed Mauer before her nadir, she won't go as low as she can? But it makes sense that feeding after that will feed the pmps. What about one meal at +4 for example?

Anytime Deb! I'm always good for a laugh! :D:D

I don't regret following my gut last night, she proved me right and didn't go higher as usual she just surfed down there.
I wanted to shoot lower with the new vial, but I didn't so hopefully she'll go green! That would be awesome! And keep us on track with 9 good days in a row :cool::p
And today I hope my gut feeling about shooting lower is wrong :nailbiting:
Instincts is a powerful thing apparently:oops:

I'm just spamming my own thread here, and I'll make a new one soon! Today I waited replying til after her shot :p

She's really so fat, Deb. It's so sad that it got this far...
I don't understand it, neither does those two wonderful ladies who's helping me with her raw diet. I brought them chocolate yesterday, and they asked why. "Well, Mauer needs company in the weight department!" :D:D
And then I just thanked them for their advice and caring.

Green eggs sounds....yikes. :nailbiting:
 
With that BG of 67 at +5 this evening, I think you'll be up for a bit.
Just little bits of low carb food, to keep her steady in those nice green numbers.

It's December, so the gardening has come to a screeching halt. Still have lots of other responsibilities, but it was dark early and not quite time for dinner, so I got on the
board for a bit early today.
 
With that BG of 67 at +5 this evening, I think you'll be up for a bit.
Just little bits of low carb food, to keep her steady in those nice green numbers.

It's December, so the gardening has come to a screeching halt. Still have lots of other responsibilities, but it was dark early and not quite time for dinner, so I got on the
board for a bit early today.
I gave her dryfood and 30 minutes later still the same number!
I slept for 30 minutes... with the lights on, several alarms..
 
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