11/10 Ruby AMPS 302/+5 181/PMPS 211 + thank you from Ruby & Olive/+3 189

+5 = 181. Pretty happy with this new dose. Ruby seems to be recovering from bounces more quickly and her numbers are generally lower, even taking into account the difference between the pet and human meter numbers. She's also eating better today, so it's probably what is keeping her numbers up.

Question: Why should cats being treated on the TR protocol not eat even very low carb dry foods like Dr. Elsey's and Young Again?
 
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PerfumedCatMom said:
Question: Why should cats being treated on the TR protocol not eat even very low carb dry foods like Dr. Elsey's and Young Again?
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There's an interesting condo where this post is - from reading through, it seems like TR was developed with only wet food (and before some of the low carb dry foods were on the market I think too), therefore, it's not proven to be safe for kitties eating dry food. Remember, TR is quite aggressive - I personally feel like I have a lot of control over Jax's BG with wet food and don't think I'd feel the same with dry.

Additionally, from what i understand, dry food takes longer to digest so you lose some control when trying to feed the curve and keep kitty safe - in my mind, I'm imagining dry food wearing off at unpredictable times and kitty ending up in an unsafe BG place - that post I linked mentions the author observing her own kitty's BG being unpredictable on dry food.
 
JaxBenji said:
from what i understand, dry food takes longer to digest
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The carbs (such as there are, even in so called but not really zero carb dry) takes longer to get out of the system. But bottom line, there have not been the studies done with dry food. We have a pretty good idea what happens with wet or raw food and how long those carbs take to wear off, so we know when we need to feed to manage the numbers. TR is aggressive, but we have known tools to handle it. We don't want to add a wild card into the mix.

Lately I've seen a couple members say their cat gets higher numbers with YA. Possibly it's ECID.
 
JaxBenji said:
There's an interesting condo where this post is - from reading through, it seems like TR was developed with only wet food (and before some of the low carb dry foods were on the market I think too), therefore, it's not proven to be safe for kitties eating dry food.
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WOW! Mega thread! Thank you for leading me to it. So much to digest there (no pun intended)! Have bookmarked it for further study later.

JaxBenji said:
Remember, TR is quite aggressive - I personally feel like I have a lot of control over Jax's BG with wet food and don't think I'd feel the same with dry.

Additionally, from what i understand, dry food takes longer to digest so you lose some control when trying to feed the curve and keep kitty safe - in my mind, I'm imagining dry food wearing off at unpredictable times and kitty ending up in an unsafe BG place - that post I linked mentions the author observing her own kitty's BG being unpredictable on dry food.
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Agreed, I would never think of guiding BG with dry food unless MC or HC food wasn't available or Ruby refuses to eat any of it, all of which has certainly happened in my case. I would also never go back to feeding her bowls of dry now that I know about how important water content is for her BG, her constipation, as well as preventing urinary issues. There are some mornings when Ruby won't sit still for a test because she is starving and she refuses to eat any of the 6 different kinds of freeze dried treats I've accumulated in the cupboard for her. That's why I was wondering if giving her a kibble or two of low carb dry as a treat would be detrimental or would set us back from all of the weeks of work we've put into testing and dose adjustments. There are many testimonials from caregivers about their cats going into remission with YA on their website (and possibly on this forum as well), so I can't imagine that low carb dry food fed in conjunction with canned wet food as a supplemental part of a diabetic cat's diet (say less than 25% of daily intake) would be harmful.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
But bottom line, there have not been the studies done with dry food.
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YA's low carb dry food has been around for a pretty long time--there are testimonies on YA's website going back to 2013. I understand the reasons for not wanting to rally around the use of dry food exclusively, but why have there been no studies?
 
Testimonials written and produced on a manufacturers website and not something I would trust. Just a bit of additional history to the first one I see there which is Brandi and Onyx. Here is one of her later posts. Kitty was in and out of remission several times, stopped eating YA, developed allergies and CKD. That update is not listed on the website. There have been plenty of studies that show that dry food is not good for cats. So as a researcher, why would you research a feline insulin dosing protocol with a food that's not good for cats?
 
PMPS = 211. Ruby's doing so well! She and Olive are grateful to all of you for the help you give their mama bean. Thank you! :bighug::bighug:

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