Cat needs rehab urgently

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RingosMom

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Hello cat lovers,
This is a difficult, sad situation. Jingle—a 4 yr old male domestic shorthair (Gray) was in the apt of his owner who was found dead 3 days later , leaving Jingle to experience the trauma of the loss of his beloved caretaker and with no food or water. A mutual friend of the owner took him in. I paid the pet deposit. Richard unfortunately didn’t know enough to properly care for Jingle— I found out last week, after no contact with Richard for 2 yrs when Richard called to ask a favor: “Jingle’s not doing well...he’s eating a lot but losing weight, and drinking a lot...he’s really thin, could you take him to the vet?” Of course, I took him and taking one look at him the Vet inquired “How old is this cat?” “About 4 or 5,” I said. “Oh, I would have guessed 16...he weighs 7 lbs and should weigh about 17. He’s a very big cat, but he hasn’t been grooming himself and his paws are caked with dry cat litter, and he has lost some teeth, is running a 105 degree temperature because his gums are infected.” We can give him an antibiotic and test his blood. Take him home. The next day we were told he had diabetes. I posted all kinds of notices on websites and people gave advice, but no one wanted to take him on. (I can’t in my living situation.) I called all the rescue and other agencies. No one called back. Today it has been 2 weeks from his diagnosis and Richard called again. We had already discussed euthanasia last week. Richard had had a week to think about it. “Jingle was doing a little better, I thought, but now he just sleeps and still eats but is thin as a rail.” I’m almost to the end of my story and Jingle to the end of his life. If you can help save him or think it isn’t an option, I welcome your response.
 
Oh my, what a terribly sad situation, all around :(.

Have you contacted Diabetic Cats in Need (DCIN)? They do re-homing, and I think sometimes they can set up fosters in emergencies like this. @Chris & China (GA) will know more about their capabilities.

Thank you for trying to help Jingles... I hope you can find a new situation for him. Diabetes is a very treatable disease in cats.
 
Hi,

Thank you so much for all you're doing to help Jingle. I'm going to tag @Chris & China (GA) to ask whether Diabetic Cats in Need might be able to help you with finding a home for Jingle.

Couple of important questions:

* Is Jingles currently being treated with insulin?

* Do you have any idea of what Richard is feeding Jingle at the moment?

As a general comment, diabetes is a very treatable condition, and cats start to improve as soon as they start treatment.

If push came to shove, in your opinion would Richard be able to continue to care for Jingle if we were able to help him learn how to manage his diabetes? (Just asking this so as to explore any and all possibilities here.)


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DCIN can help try to find a home for Jingles but it can take time....although like I tell everybody, it only takes 1 person to look at the picture, have it touch their heart and then say "I have to have him!!"

We can also help with supplies (insulin, testing supplies and most important, education) so treatment can get started!

Just switching to a low carb canned food like Friskies pate, Fancy Feast Classics or 9-Lives ground can help bring down the blood glucose quite a bit!

Contact DCIN on Facebook or go to our Website to Apply for Assistance
 
Hi again, Ringo's Mom,

Just switching to a low carb canned food like Friskies pate, Fancy Feast Classics or 9-Lives ground can help bring down the blood glucose quite a bit!
* * Important Safety Note * *

Chris is 100% correct that a switch to a low carb food can start helping a diabetic kitty (hence my earlier questions to you) - BUT - if the cat is already receiving insulin it is very dangerous to attempt to switch to a lower carb food unless one is able to home test blood glucose levels throughout the period of transition because the insulin dose at the start of the diet change is very likely to need to be reduced in line with the reduction in carb load.

If you or Richard have any questions or need assistance with anything while you're trying to find a home for Jingle, just post here and we'll do all we can to help you.


Mogs
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Hi,

Thank you so much for all you're doing to help Jingle. I'm going to tag @Chris & China (GA) to ask whether Diabetic Cats in Need might be able to help you with finding a home for Jingles.

Couple of important questions:

* Is Jingles currently being treated with insulin?

* Do you have any idea of what Richard is feeding Jingles at the moment?

As a general comment, diabetes is a very treatable condition, and cats start to improve as soon as they start treatment.

If push came to shove, in your opinion would Richard be able to continue to care for Jingles if we were able to help him learn how to manage his diabetes? (Just asking this so as to explore any and all possibilities here.)


Mogs
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Thank you for replying. I forgot to mention I a first time user and Jingle, Richard and I live in St Petersburg, FL, USA
 
Hi again, Ringo's Mom,


* * Important Safety Note * *

Chris is 100% correct that a switch to a low carb food can start helping a diabetic kitty (hence my earlier questions to you) - BUT - if the cat is already receiving insulin it is very dangerous to attempt to switch to a lower carb food unless one is able to home test blood glucose levels throughout the period of transition because the insulin dose at the start of the diet change is very likely to need to be reduced in line with the reduction in carb load.

If you or Richard have any questions or need assistance with anything while you're trying to find a home for Jingle, just post here and we'll do all we can to help you.


Mogs
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Hi,

Thank you so much for all you're doing to help Jingle. I'm going to tag @Chris & China (GA) to ask whether Diabetic Cats in Need might be able to help you with finding a home for Jingles.

Couple of important questions:

* Is Jingles currently being treated with insulin?

* Do you have any idea of what Richard is feeding Jingles at the moment?

As a general comment, diabetes is a very treatable condition, and cats start to improve as soon as they start treatment.

If push came to shove, in your opinion would Richard be able to continue to care for Jingles if we were able to help him learn how to manage his diabetes? (Just asking this so as to explore any and all possibilities here.)


Mogs
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Hi again, Ringo's Mom,


* * Important Safety Note * *

Chris is 100% correct that a switch to a low carb food can start helping a diabetic kitty (hence my earlier questions to you) - BUT - if the cat is already receiving insulin it is very dangerous to attempt to switch to a lower carb food unless one is able to home test blood glucose levels throughout the period of transition because the insulin dose at the start of the diet change is very likely to need to be reduced in line with the reduction in carb load.

If you or Richard have any questions or need assistance with anything while you're trying to find a home for Jingle, just post here and we'll do all we can to help you.


Mogs
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As much as I wish he could, I think Richard is incapable (he’s in his late 70’s and lives on Disability income, I think it would be too difficult for him to keep a diabetic cat in good health. But thank you all for your great suggestions so far!
 
DCIN can help try to find a home for Jingles but it can take time....although like I tell everybody, it only takes 1 person to look at the picture, have it touch their heart and then say "I have to have him!!"

We can also help with supplies (insulin, testing supplies and most important, education) so treatment can get started!

Just switching to a low carb canned food like Friskies pate, Fancy Feast Classics or 9-Lives ground can help bring down the blood glucose quite a bit!

Contact DCIN on Facebook or go to our Website to Apply for Assistance

What a wonderful organisation !
 
Jingles risks getting a lot sicker without insulin. He ca develop ketones quickly. They can be life threatening is a healthy cat. He needs immediate intervention . Sending positive thoughts and a lot of prayers. :(

Thank you for doing all you are for Jingles.
 
not on insulin...we’ll get Friskies but I need to know if there’s any hope for him?

Is there hope? Yes, but as Jeanne says above, not without treatment. Many of us have had diabetic cats lead healthy and happy lives for years after diagnosis, but it does require work on the diet, plus insulin (at least for a while; some lucky cats can go into remission and become entirely food-controlled diabetics).

I'm also worried about Jingles' teeth. I suspect they're a big part of the problem here, sigh.
 
not on insulin...we’ll get Friskies but I need to know if there’s any hope for him?
Absolutely there is hope. :)

Thanks for the additional info.

Given Jingle is not yet receiving insulin the fastest thing you can do to start helping him is to switch to a wet, low carb food. Here is a list of readily available commercial cat foods:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...m6PPfEUz9YmzMGMxkmcBk6uRR0/edit#gid=113878384

Anything with a carb % less than 10% on the chart is good for a diabetic cat. As Chris mentions above, it could drop his BG levels by as much as 100mg/dL after the transition (hence the need to be cautious if a kitty is already receiving insulin!).

Most of our members feed the classic paté varieties from Fancy Feast and Friskies.

Note that reducing carb intake is only likely to help Jingle to a degree and he will still need insulin treatment, but the food change is an important step toward helping him to get better and one that hopefully can be started straight away.

Chewy.com recommend starting with 90% old food, 10% new food and changing the proportions by 10% each day until the kitty is 100% on the new food. (Tip: if poo gets a bit loose, go back a step and proceed a little more slowly with the transition.) I'd urge you not to go too fast with the transition so as to avoid digestive upsets. Until Jingle can start on insulin he will be a bit vulnerable so care is needed to keep him as stable as possible in the meantime. Very important is that Jingle doesn't lose his appetite due to a tummy upset.

Unregulated diabetics are unable to properly utilise the food they eat (hence Jingle's weight loss in spite of eating plenty) so they need more food than a healthy cat. Their feeding requirements will go back to normal when their blood sugar becomes better controlled and they will regain the weight they lost.

I expect that Jingle is drinking and peeing more than normal at the moment (beyond a certain point glucose starts tipping into the urine, hence the litter sticking to Jingle's paws). This is also normal for an unregulated diabetic. Drinking and peeing will also reduce as BG levels improve. In addition to putting out water in a bowl, adding a few teaspoons of water to each meal can help keep a kitty better hydrated.

The next step - a very important safety precaution - is to ask Richard to monitor Jingle for ketones. Cats waiting to start insulin treatment - as is the case for Jingle at the moment - may be at risk of developing a complication called diabetic ketoacidosis so it is extremely important to check the kitty's pee daily for ketones. You can use human urine test strips for this purpose (available at Walmart or any human pharmacy) and you only need a small amount of pee for the test (see tips below). Negative or trace ketones are OK, anything higher and you need to contact the vet *immediately* (DKA is a medical emergency and may develop very quickly once ketones get above trace levels). Adding a little extra water to meals can also help with flushing out trace ketones.

Tips for Collecting Urine Samples

That's a few basic pointers for you. If you need a better explanation of any of the above please shout. Please keep posting with any questions you have.


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On hope, here are some pictures of Sissy, the kitty of a member who joined FDMB a few months ago, so that you can see how very effective treatment is.

Sissy soon after her diabetes diagnosis and start of insulin treatment:

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Sissy again - just one month later:

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Hi,

There is an organization called Rescue Cats of Florida, Inc. They have volunteers who foster cats.
I am not certain, but I am hoping they may be able to help in coordination with DCIN. They can be contacted by email at:

Rescuecatsofflorida@gmail.com

As part of your email to them, as per their request please include the following:

“To surrender cat/kittens or for help: Please tell us where you are located and provide a phone number. Please outline the situation. Please include pictures. It is kitten season and we are a group of volunteers who all work full-time jobs, and we are up to our ears in fur. Please include if you can help, and in what capacity”

 
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When next you check your replies here, scroll back up to the very beginning of this thread. If you look at the right hand side of the screen you will be able to see a link to your private message Inbox, e.g:

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If you click on 'Inbox' you will be able to find the private message that @Bellasmom has left for you.


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Thanks
 
I have searched multiple website because she mentioned she had posted but so far I don’t see anything. I will continue to keep an eye out.

I also emailed Rescue Cats of Florida in case she does contact them to let her know to check back on this forum or they can contact me as well if that’s easier. I also let them know there is the ability to potentially coordinate some physical and financial assistance for Jingles along with helping to coordinate RCOF with DCIN.
 
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I will contact you. I’ve contacted 5 clinics so far. They have been AMAZING with taking the time to search for Jingles in their systems including pulling up labs and records looking for DM. Here is a screenshot of the map and clinics and black marks are ones I’ve called...on the phone with 4th St now
 

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There's definitly hope of he will start getting insulin. They can live long healthy lives with treatment. A bottle of ProZinc costs about $105 and can last 4-5 months. low carb food, no dry. Friskies pate is a good choice. As much as he wants since he's underweight.
Youre right just the basics can make ALL the difference I applaud everyones efforts!!!!
 
Jingles risks getting a lot sicker without insulin. He ca develop ketones quickly. They can be life threatening is a healthy cat. He needs immediate intervention . Sending positive thoughts and a lot of prayers. :(

Thank you for doing all you are for Jingles.
Yes, Bellasmom is going to help us start him on insulin today. Many locals are on the case and looking for either a foster or permanent home for Jingles. You are all such gems to help out this way. Only sorry his treatment was so long coming. Hopefully we will restore him to health!
 
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