Help/support. CKD sugar cat not doing well.

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Heytherr said:
yeah they didn't seem like they were interested in sending me a free one because when I picked my finger the date and time came up but the thing is I'm pretty sure it came up on the previous readings but it disappeared later on. I will probably be calling them again. If I have any further issue.
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You needed to say it was for you and not your cat. When you call back ask for some control solution. Then you can say the meter isn’t working and demand sweetly of course a replacement.
 
tiffmaxee said:
What concerns us is that he’s not eating and no way to check to know up you need to intervene. That risks a hypo. I too think you need to skip. I also would get another meter tomorrow.
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So no insulin or see if he eats anything? What happens if he misses a dose plus with the other meds he got today cerenia and mirtazapine?
 
It won’t hurt him. He may have a big rise in bg. I just can’t advise shooting a cat that’s not feeling well, not eating, and not being able to test. When a cat gets insulin and starts to go low they don’t show you unless they go into a hypo coma. The way to counter going too low is to feed and if into hypo range give high carb food and karo or honey. I never had an active hypo but there were times I was testing and feeding every 20-30 minutes for hours. What you decide is up to you. I hope Felix starts to feel better. If not I would haul him back to your vet.
 
Well, as long as he tests and has plenty of strips, karo or honey and willing to post and test a lot you are better shooting something than nothing. So you feed dry as well as wet? You would follow SLGS. I don’t like giving insulin to an inappetent cat. Others here feel differently. The insulin will kick in by +1 or +2. I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe call your vet? Let’s get others involved.
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Well, as long as he tests and has plenty of strips, karo or honey and willing to post and test a lot you are better shooting something than nothing. So you feed dry as well as wet? You would follow SLGS. I don’t like giving insulin to an inappetent cat. Others here feel differently. The insulin will kick in by +1 or +2. I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe call your vet? Let’s get others involved.
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Fiance is semi allergic to cats so I'm going to decide to not shoot since Felix's reading haven't really gone up as much.. since 3pm 5 hours ago at 238. and he's going to test in the morning
 
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Heytherr said:
Fiance is semi allergic to cats so I'm going to decide to not shoot since Felix greasing hasn't really gone up too much. as much since 3pm 5 hours ago at 238. and he's going to test in the morning
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Very good point about the earlier BG level, Heytherr. It's likely the safest course of action tonight to skip.

Fine fiancé you have there, Heytherr. Top geezer! :)

Maybe you might find somewhere that sells the recommended baby foods and also maybe grab some ketone strips if you get a chance.

I hope Felix feels better and gets his appetite back soon - with or without meds. Be sure to keep us posted and post when you need help.

(((Heytherr, Fiancé, Felix and his brother)))


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Critter Mom said:
Very good point about the earlier BG level, Heytherr. It's likely the safest course of action tonight to skip.

Fine fiancé you have there, Heytherr. Top geezer! :)

Maybe you might find somewhere that sells the recommended baby foods and also maybe grab some ketone strips if you get a chance.

I hope Felix feels better and gets his appetite back soon - with or without meds. Be sure to keep us posted and post when you need help.

(((Heytherr, Fiancé, Felix and his brother)))


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What exactly is ketoacidosis? Is it DKA? What do they do if the urine strip shows it?
 
Just stumbled upon the mention of your cat having CKD. I just lost my 19 year old Sophie in April, and she was diagnosed with CKD over 4 1/2 years ago. She was pretty much between stage 1-2 at diagnoses and never really moved beyond that. The vet put her on their special KD Diet which she hated, and a week into it she curled herself up into a ball and didn't move again for 24 hours. She was dying in front of our eyes. We knew at this point we had to take matters into our own hands so I researched everything I could find on treating holistically. Our vet was NOT happy. To speed up the story, we took her off the KD and put her on Primal Raw food diet, adding in a daily dose of NWC Naturals Total Biotic as well as the Total Zymes. Next came a leap of faith in a product I'd researched and found a multitude of positive feedback about. I'm not one who usually listens to feedback, but I decided to try it for myself. I read the ingredients and I knew it couldn't hurt to try. I was desperate to find something that would prolong Sophie's life and make whatever time we were blessed with as happy and healthy as possible. So I purchased Kidney Support Gold from Petwellbeing.com and gave her 5 drops twice a day in her food. Yearly blood work proved that it was indeed working. But it was her spirit coming alive again that told us first. Our vet was NOT a believer in holistic medicine and her exact words to us were "I don't know what's in that stuff but keep giving it to her." I eventually added the "Milk Thistle" drops as they helped settle her tummy during the times she needed a boost. With KD cats they have their good days and their bad days, but after starting the KSG she had more good days than bad. I'm positive that the Kidney Support Gold was a game changer for her. Four years later it WASN'T the kidney disease that claimed her as she was still doing well, but cancer. If my Sweet Sophie's story can help someone out there, then I'd be so very happy. The stuff works, but give it a good month to begin its thing. Holistic medicine takes time, but I know it'll be worth it for you to try.
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Ask the vet if he’s going to be prescribed Benezapril for the protienuria. If it's pancreatitis the treatment is usually cerenia for nausea, bupe for pain and sub q's. If there's a slight infection add some antibiotics in there too. My cat Zimmy had a but of pancreatitis and was ckd. He also had protienuria and high blood pressure which often go hand in hand. They started him on Benezapril, then added in amlodipine for high blood pressure.
 
His bg is still in the 200s vet said part of the bloodwork came back a small portion and his CKD is now stage 3. I am waiting on the mobile vet to call me back to see if we can make arrangements at home. Now I gotta clean too. Ugh this is heart breaking. Thank u all for your help.
 
He is suffering and not responding to treatment. I don't want to make him suffer to put a bandaid over the kidney disease. I'm aware there are treatments etc.
 
Have any of you dealt with this before and also having another pet in the home that was bonded? How do I let his brother grieve and what should I do differently for him?
 
Heytherr said:
Have any of you dealt with this before and also having another pet in the home that was bonded? How do I let his brother grieve and what should I do differently for him?
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Just saw this now...had to leave last night.
Honestly? ECID I dont think anyone can predict how a bonded sibling will react. I think maybe? Just be there for him. My heart truly breaks for you. I dont know what I would do either.:(:bighug::(
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Hello. I am sorry to read about this. It is always so hard to lose a family member.

I have been through a pet or pets having to grieve & will share my experience. The first loss occurred many years ago while the cat was at the emergency clinic & therefore, we did not have him at home & did not bring him home because we decided to have him cremated. Our other cat searched and searched for him which was heartbreaking. I called the vet/breeder we got her from for advice & she asked where the cat who passed was..... She said that if we had brought him home it would have made it easier for her. I kept that advice in mind and years later when she passed, I brought her home. We have Nest cams and it was fascinating to watch how the other cats managed the loss. It was pretty similar to what you see at a funeral home viewing. The cats who had less of a relationship went over, sniffed her and moved on pretty quickly. The ones, and particularly the one, who had a super close relationship with her, waited until everyone else was out of the room, including us, and then went in. He sat with her for a very long time before deciding to leave. It was SO hard to watch, but did make a difference for him. I would say he did still grieve, but he was not searching for her, smelling the floors etc like she had done years ago trying to figure out where her family member went. He knew what happened.

I have a friend who also brought her cat home and the sister of the cat who passed did the opposite. They were super close, but the sister did not want to come near the cat who passed and just looked and took off to another room. She still at least knew what had occurred but managed it differently than my cat. Very similar to what we often see at visitations. Some people do a quick pass, while others wait for a moment when they can spend a little more time with the deceased alone.

I would assume, that like people, each cat manages the process differently. However, I do believe that the vets advice that bringing or having the cat who passed at home so that the other cat(s) know that the sibling or bonded cat has passed, does make a significant difference in their ability to move on because they at least know what happened. It is a less complicated grieving process. They can skip over the stress of “where did they go” and search process.

We did make sure to do some extra play time, be at home and give extra attention to the rest of the group, especially the cat who was close with her, & that seemed to help as well.

Thoughts and prayers to you. -Amy
 
Tomlin said:
Hello. I am sorry to read about this. It is always so hard to lose a family member.

I have been through a pet or pets having to grieve & will share my experience. The first loss occurred many years ago while the cat was at the emergency clinic & therefore, we did not have him at home & did not bring him home because we decided to have him cremated. Our other cat searched and searched for him which was heartbreaking. I called the vet/breeder we got her from for advice & she asked where the cat who passed was..... She said that if we had brought him home it would have made it easier for her. I kept that advice in mind and years later when she passed, I brought her home. We have Nest cams and it was fascinating to watch how the other cats managed the loss. It was pretty similar to what you see at a funeral home viewing. The cats who had less of a relationship went over, sniffed her and moved on pretty quickly. The ones, and particularly the one, who had a super close relationship with her, waited until everyone else was out of the room, including us, and then went in. He sat with her for a very long time before deciding to leave. It was SO hard to watch, but did make a difference for him. I would say he did still grieve, but he was not searching for her, smelling the floors etc like she had done years ago trying to figure out where her family member went. He knew what happened.

I have a friend who also brought her cat home and the sister of the cat who passed did the opposite. They were super close, but the sister did not want to come near the cat who passed and just looked and took off to another room. She still at least knew what had occurred but managed it differently than my cat. Very similar to what we often see at visitations. Some people do a quick pass, while others wait for a moment when they can spend a little more time with the deceased alone.

I would assume, that like people, each cat manages the process differently. However, I do believe that the vets advice that bringing or having the cat who passed at home so that the other cat(s) know that the sibling or bonded cat has passed, does make a significant difference in their ability to move on because they at least know what happened. It is a less complicated grieving process. They can skip over the stress of “where did they go” and search process.

We did make sure to do some extra play time, be at home and give extra attention to the rest of the group, especially the cat who was close with her, & that seemed to help as well.

Thoughts and prayers to you. -Amy
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This is VERY insightful I thank you for posting your experiences. When Trouble passed away we found him on the bathroom floor already passed. Waldo didnt seem interested one way or the other. Course Trouble was forced on him when we rescued Trouble. sigh
I will remember this...forever.
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Tomlin said:
Hello. I am sorry to read about this. It is always so hard to lose a family member.

I have been through a pet or pets having to grieve & will share my experience. The first loss occurred many years ago while the cat was at the emergency clinic & therefore, we did not have him at home & did not bring him home because we decided to have him cremated. Our other cat searched and searched for him which was heartbreaking. I called the vet/breeder we got her from for advice & she asked where the cat who passed was..... She said that if we had brought him home it would have made it easier for her. I kept that advice in mind and years later when she passed, I brought her home. We have Nest cams and it was fascinating to watch how the other cats managed the loss. It was pretty similar to what you see at a funeral home viewing. The cats who had less of a relationship went over, sniffed her and moved on pretty quickly. The ones, and particularly the one, who had a super close relationship with her, waited until everyone else was out of the room, including us, and then went in. He sat with her for a very long time before deciding to leave. It was SO hard to watch, but did make a difference for him. I would say he did still grieve, but he was not searching for her, smelling the floors etc like she had done years ago trying to figure out where her family member went. He knew what happened.

I have a friend who also brought her cat home and the sister of the cat who passed did the opposite. They were super close, but the sister did not want to come near the cat who passed and just looked and took off to another room. She still at least knew what had occurred but managed it differently than my cat. Very similar to what we often see at visitations. Some people do a quick pass, while others wait for a moment when they can spend a little more time with the deceased alone.

I would assume, that like people, each cat manages the process differently. However, I do believe that the vets advice that bringing or having the cat who passed at home so that the other cat(s) know that the sibling or bonded cat has passed, does make a significant difference in their ability to move on because they at least know what happened. It is a less complicated grieving process. They can skip over the stress of “where did they go” and search process.

We did make sure to do some extra play time, be at home and give extra attention to the rest of the group, especially the cat who was close with her, & that seemed to help as well.

Thoughts and prayers to you. -Amy
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Thank you for sharing. It's weird I had just ordered a new cat bed and a cam for my cat room to watch them as I didn't know Felix was not going to be with me much longer. They came today. I will set it up to keep an eye on his brother. Thank the the kind words.
 
Heytherr said:
The cam came a day early! At the small chance I'm not in the cat room I can see what my boys are doing! I caught Felix's brother grooming him♥️
Tomorrow is the day. I appreciate everyone's kind words. I am grateful for this message board community.
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That is SO great ❤️! I am happy it arrived in time.
I will continue to keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers in the days ahead :bighug:.
 
Critter Mom said:
The only way to do that is to measure out water every day and check how much is left after 24 hours. With more than one kitty in the house you obviously can't tell exactly who had what but the overall volume should give you some idea if both boys are drinking enough. Also if you feed wet food, by tracking the amount eaten you can work out how much fluid they're getting from that using the 'as fed' moisture content on the labels.

My civvie, Lúnasa, is stage III, on a dry diet (I know! but she has a very sensitive digestive system and I've not been able to find a wet food she can tolerate. :( ) She normally drinks c. 180ml a day, helped by adding some of the liquid from commercially available 'cat soup' but that's high in carbs so probably not a help in this situation. Sometimes adding a teaspoon of the juice from tuna tinned in spring water to flavour the drinking water added to about 30ml water can encourage them to drink a little extra. Adding a little water used to poach a chicken breast can similarly help, but I'm not sure of the suitability of this for a CKD kitty. I know that poaching water when the chicken is boned is not good for them because of the phosphorus content. Perhaps other members might be able to advise better on this.

(@jayla-n-Drevon - can you suggest something when you're online next?)


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Hi!
I know there are a variety of thoughts and opinions on giving fluids which is great to have a open forum so you can decide. @Critter Mom I am not sure the exact question-I am a big fan of SQ fluids and have seen cats practically come alive (not literally but like a new cat) after recieving fluids. Are you having trouble giving them?
 
@jayla -

Thanks for your reply. I tagged you to ask whether you could suggest anything to help Heytherr because you know a great deal about fluid therapy. Sorry for not being clear in my post.


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