BRADY'S JOURNEY

Well again, we had several good days of not reaching high, high numbers...but once again a dose increase takes Brady way up again....Frustration is setting in....just saying!!

Really wish these black numbers would go away and never come back again!!
 
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He seems to have a pattern, of being in the pinks (mid to high 300's), dropping down to the mid range blues (mid 150-190's) and then bouncing up to the blacks (over 500).

I know you say you can't use a timed feeder because of Emma, but slowing down those steep drops by feeding Brady at +2 and or +3 would probably really help to flatten those steeper drops and then the bounces up to the higher numbers.

Feeding the curve really does work for most cats. Marje has explained how already. I'm not that good with all the details like she is.
 
At wits end...don't know what is going on or why...I know Deb and Marje said about feeding the curve, but im not understanding this...He doesn't drop fast as you can see by the SS, he is fed at +4 every AM and PM, his 1/4 can and he continues to bounce...I really thought the 3U was going to help him and work out better than it is....He was 307 at AMPS today, slowly went down to 202 (yellow) and then bounced again at +5.5...Im super struggling with this and worried something else may be going on...im just back to not understanding this disease. Im really worried about his health!!
 
Irish Pat said:
At wits end...don't know what is going on or why...I know Deb and Marje said about feeding the curve, but im not understanding this...He doesn't drop fast as you can see by the SS, he is fed at +4 every AM and PM, his 1/4 can and he continues to bounce...I really thought the 3U was going to help him and work out better than it is....He was 307 at AMPS today, slowly went down to 202 (yellow) and then bounced again at +5.5...Im super struggling with this and worried something else may be going on...im just back to not understanding this disease. Im really worried about his health!!
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How does he feel? Remember that he is not just a number.

Feeding doesn’t keep him from bouncing. Managing the curve with food can help with that if he’s dropping fast but, as you said, it doesn’t appear that he is right now although he has occasionally in the past.

First, he’s not overdosed because you’ve taken the dose up in small amounts slowly. We’d be able to see if he was overdosed.
Second, I’m not convinced that he “bounced again” today. It looks more to me like he tried to clear the bounce and didn’t quite get there. I would see if the 567 might before the high before the break tonight or in the morning.

A couple things also can occur which can account for the numbers.
  • absorption: it can vary up to 50% from shot to shot.
  • shooting technique: be sure you are getting it in subq; we have had members here who were just barely getting it under the skin and once they started shooting with better technique, the numbers improved. Perhaps this post on Testing and Shooting Tips will help.
  • syringe inaccuracy: U100 syringes are so inaccurate it’s not funny; you can read all about it in Dosing with Calipers. Unfortunately, I don’t have any data or calculations for U40 syringes but you might want to look at them closely with a magnifying glass and see if the “zero line” is off in some of them as they are in the U100 syringes. If so, you should be able to figure out how to use calipers with the instructions I have on there. Let me know if you have questions. You might also post in this forum and ask other members if they use calipers or if anyone has noticed the syringes vary.
 
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First, he’s not overdosed because you’ve taken the dose up in small amounts slowly. We’d be able to see if he was overdosed.
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Can I ask why you made this comment, meaning would overdosing make his numbers do this? Just trying to understand what prompted you to make this comment? Again, trying to absorb and understand this disease as best as I can......I am going to look at the testing and shooting tips....But im almost certain we have been doing ok with this...but I will review that for sure.....

Thank you
 
Marje and Gracie said:
shooting technique: be sure you are getting it in subq; we have had members here who were just barely getting it under the skin and once they started shooting with better technique, the numbers improved. Perhaps this post on Testing and Shooting Tips will help.
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OMG Junior does not like to be tested......But I did go over the techniques for shooting and we are right on, Brady doesn't mind it at all, sometimes we get a little jerk but not often at all....So Im pretty sure we are doing good there......Junior is an attack cat, lol
 
Irish Pat said:
Can I ask why you made this comment, meaning would overdosing make his numbers do this? Just trying to understand what prompted you to make this comment? Again, trying to absorb and understand this disease as best as I can......I am going to look at the testing and shooting tips....But im almost certain we have been doing ok with this...but I will review that for sure.....

Thank you
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Sometimes overdosing can look a little like this. Usually, that’s the first thing the CG (caregiver) asks so I thought I’d answer before asked :)

Irish Pat said:
He seems to be fine, he purrs, plays, poops and pees fine....Obviously when his numbers go up he drinks and pees more....But otherwise he seems fine....

He shot down to 330 at +2
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So...maybe clearing the bounce tonight. Paws crossed. BTW, that is a substantial drop.
 
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Sometimes overdosing can look a little like this. Usually, that’s the first thing the CG (caregiver) asks so I thought I’d answer before asked :)


So...maybe clearing the bounce tonight. Paws crossed. BTW, that is a substantial drop.
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Yes, I know that's a large drop.....very big drop......Question is, why?? Brady's body im sure....I just don't know....See this is why all the confusion for me.....
 
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Yes, I know that's a large drop.....very big drop......Question is, why?? Brady's body im sure....I just don't know....See this is why all the confusion for me.....
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I suspect, and we will see if my crystal ball is working, that he’s possibly clearing a bounce from that blue number. Bounce clearing cycles can look just like this. Remember, the higher they are, the farther they have to drop. If he had started in blue, you wouldn’t see a drop that sharp. That’s where the “feeding the curve” comes in.
 
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I suspect, and we will see if my crystal ball is working, that he’s possibly clearing a bounce from that blue number. Bounce clearing cycles can look just like this. Remember, the higher they are, the farther they have to drop. If he had started in blue, you wouldn’t see a drop that sharp. That’s where the “feeding the curve” comes in.
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Crystal ball was off....He is back in the 500's this morning......I reviewed the feed the curve post you had sent me.....From what I am reading you have to know his numbers and make decisions off those numbers...Marje, he is all over the place, there is no establish numbers I could even use to see how he drops, to see what he does on this insulin...I mean if you review his spread sheet you can see nothing is remotely close to being the same on any given day....So, how do you feed a curve that isn't a curve at all, that isn't consistent at all, ever......I brought up before where he didn't have these high black numbers when he was on lower amounts of insulin.....again, im extremely confused...once he got to the 2.25 U level and above it seems he is getting the highest numbers he has ever had.....

Trust me I know ECID and the cats body is what controls his reactions....but something just doesn't seem right here, does it to you guys??? I review some of the SS's you tell me to look at, to be honest, I wish Brady was in some of those situations, they are sometimes consistent. Brady just seems to be totally all over the place......no consistency whatsoever.....

Just feeling the pressure for my buddy!!!
 
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Crystal ball was off....He is back in the 500's this morning......I reviewed the feed the curve post you had sent me.....From what I am reading you have to know his numbers and make decisions off those numbers...Marje, he is all over the place, there is no establish numbers I could even use to see how he drops, to see what he does on this insulin...I mean if you review his spread sheet you can see nothing is remotely close to being the same on any given day....So, how do you feed a curve that isn't a curve at all, that isn't consistent at all, ever......I brought up before where he didn't have these high black numbers when he was on lower amounts of insulin.....again, im extremely confused...once he got to the 2.25 U level and above it seems he is getting the highest numbers he has ever had.....

Trust me I know ECID and the cats body is what controls his reactions....but something just doesn't seem right here, does it to you guys??? I review some of the SS's you tell me to look at, to be honest, I wish Brady was in some of those situations, they are sometimes consistent. Brady just seems to be totally all over the place......no consistency whatsoever.....

Just feeling the pressure for my buddy!!!
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Any drop of 200-230 mg/dL in two hours is going to trigger a hard bounce. The “curve” is a figurative term. It doesn’t mean it will actually be a “curve”. In fact, a tightly regulated cat will be pretty flat the entire cycle.

What % carbs are you feeding him?

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From what I am reading you have to know his numbers and make decisions off those numbers.
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Exactly. And how do you know those numbers? Testing.

Did you read the part in my discussion about having to test at +1, +2, +3 even if they are high so you can catch the drop when it starts and feed it?

I’m going to be blunt here: you can’t do the same things and expect a different result.

While this suggestion won’t improve his curve, it will allow you to get him closer to a fitting dose faster: why not do the modified method until you go back to work away from home? Then you can go back to SLGS. It will give you time to increase the dose faster.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Any drop of 200-230 mg/dL in two hours is going to trigger a hard bounce. The “curve” is a figurative term. It doesn’t mean it will actually be a “curve”. In fact, a tightly regulated cat will be pretty flat the entire cycle.

What % carbs are you feeding him?


Exactly. And how do you know those numbers? Testing.

Did you read the part in my discussion about having to test at +1, +2, +3 even if they are high so you can catch the drop when it starts and feed it?

I’m going to be blunt here: you can’t do the same things and expect a different result.

While this suggestion won’t improve his curve, it will allow you to get him closer to a fitting dose faster: why not do the modified method until you go back to work away from home? Then you can go back to SLGS. It will give you time to increase the dose faster.
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Do you think upping the dose is necessary at this time seeing how he is really not adjusting at all to this dose....he was doing a lot better at 2.75 thank 3? And yes I did read about testing at the +1, +2 and +3....I can catch that starting at the PMPS and see what we get the next few cycles.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Any drop of 200-230 mg/dL in two hours is going to trigger a hard bounce. The “curve” is a figurative term. It doesn’t mean it will actually be a “curve”. In fact, a tightly regulated cat will be pretty flat the entire cycle.

What % carbs are you feeding him?
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I go off the catinfo.org page, we don't use anything higher than 6%, so we use the 4-6% carb Friskies Pate'.....
 
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Do you think upping the dose is necessary at this time seeing how he is really not adjusting at all to this dose....he was doing a lot better at 2.75 thank 3? And yes I did read about testing at the +1, +2 and +3....I can catch that starting at the PMPS and see what we get the next few cycles.
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Why do you say you think Brady was doing better at 2.75U Pat? Your reasoning is what?

So at +1, he's down almost 100 points. By the +2 this evening, 6/1/20, Brady is already down 170 points for the cycle. Then he drops another 80 points in the next hour, by +3.
 
Deb, I know he didn't have terrific numbers but you have to admit the numbers he was getting with the 2.75 were better than he is getting with the 3 Units. He had several cycles in the 100's and 200's....He isn't getting those type numbers now....Again, not terrific but better....Its hard to understand and grasp....My thinking is, if you give more insulin, you should be getting lower BG numbers. I guess insulin doesn't necessarily work that way. "ECID"....Take for example...If you have an illness, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc...you up the dose you get lower values.

I know you guys may be getting frustrated with me and im sorry.....I said from the beginning im new to this disease, no friends, family or other friends with pets has it. So I don't know the ins and outs of insulin or this disease. When we started out his insulin dose was lowering his numbers and that was on 1U, here we are at 3U's and it isn't getting any better. I know, I have seen lots of peoples SS and they are in the same boat I am, some are even having a more difficult time with it than we are...maybe there is no understanding this disease at all and maybe in time I will understand it.....Like Breanna, her cat is up to 7U's of prozinc and its not helping, I know she is switching to Lantus but my thing is, "Why" isnt 7U's helping her cat? There could be other things health wise going on with her cat, I understand that too....Why did 2.75 U's lower Brady to the 100's and now 3U's isn't? Heck, why did 1 and 1.5U's get Brady in green numbers but it didn't continue to get him in green numbers? My wife and I both ask each other the "whys, the why nots, the how comes" She asks me why the 3U's isn't helping him get to the lower numbers and I don't have an answer for her. Its a baffling disease, im here and im glad I found this site...Maybe you guys arent so happy I found it but im here...LOL...just kidding....Beanie and I are always asking each other, is something else wrong with him, is something else causing the insulin not to work? He shows no signs of being ill, cats are notorious for hiding illnesses as everyone knows.....we are trudging along, we are trying to learn and we are doing our best. It just really sucks that his life has turned into pins and needles everyday of his life and with each day the sadness of sticking him gets to us!!! He is taking the pins and needles like a champ, but sometimes you just see it in his eyes, the sadness, the here comes mom and dad with that testing machine again. I know Brady wishes he had his old mom and dad back, just as much as his mom and dad wish they had there healthy baby back.....I know I rambled on, yet again....sorry.....hope everyone is having a great day!!
 
Going to try Modified starting tomorrow with 3.25U unless he drops and hangs lower tonight, fed him a tsp of LC food at +2 to see if I can slow him down and see if he doesn't bounce....Trying new things to see if anything helps my buddy
 
Irish Pat said:
He had several cycles in the 100's and 200's....He isn't getting those type numbers now....Again, not terrific but better.
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Pat, that wasn't why I asked why you thought Brady was doing better on the 2.75U dose. I did it, to have you take a good look at the SS and try to see what is going on with his BG levels. Not concentrating on a single cycle, but looking at the overall pattern over more than 1 or 2 or even 3 cycles. You have to look at the trends, not just a day or two, or a few numbers here and there within one cycle.

Actually, he was doing better on the 3U back on 5/18 am cycle, when his BG levels dropped <99 mg/dL (into the tree green range). If you had never tested him that 2nd time at +4 and done that test at +5, we never would have known that he dropped < 90 mg/dL and suggested a dose reduction.

Insulin being a hormone, it does not work like taking BP meds or a pain killer and making your headache go away. Hormone levels fluctuate for too many reasons to mention, but activity levels, what food is eaten, when and how much sleep, all affect the blood glucose. If only diabetes were as simple as treating high blood pressure. But sometimes, treating BP isn't easy either. Upping the blood pressure meds dose can lead to other health issues. Not so easy after all.

Some cats are hard to regulate. Who knows why, but they are. Like Breanna and her Tigger. And your Brady.
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I know you guys may be getting frustrated with me and im sorry.
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Nope. No apologies needed here.

Irish Pat said:
.we are trudging along, we are trying to learn and we are doing our best. It just really sucks that his life has turned into pins and needles everyday of his life and with each day the sadness of sticking him gets to us!!! He is taking the pins and needles like a champ, but sometimes you just see it in his eyes, the sadness, the here comes mom and dad with that testing machine again.
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Pat, cats know when we are poking and prodding them that we are trying to get them feeling better. They may not love the insulin injection, or the ear test, but they do come to love the treats and attention afterwards. And that is what you and Beanie need to focus on. That you are doing this to make Brady feel better and keep enjoying his company for as long as possible.

"Change your altitude" is on one of my favorite t-shirts, from the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta. How does this relate to you and Brady? Change how you are seeing the situation is what I'm saying. Instead of only seeing this as harming Brady, see this as helping him, to the best of your abilities.

Please, go give Brady (and Emma) a great big hug, from their "Auntie Deb." Then give them one or hopefully several from you and Beanie.:)
 
Irish Pat said:
Going to try Modified starting tomorrow with 3.25U unless he drops and hangs lower tonight, fed him a tsp of LC food at +2 to see if I can slow him down and see if he doesn't bounce....Trying new things to see if anything helps my buddy
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Well the 3.5 went out the window....Will start tomorrow....Beanie and I were very tired and she got up to feed and shoot....She forgot about the 3.25U and did 3U instead.....The guys are here refinishing our hardwood floors and the stink was terrible so sleep was a little tough, we were exhausted.....however, Brady isn't having a bad couple cycles, not perfect by any means but a hair better
 
Well he did it to me again....well I guess I did it to myself....Left the container of Purebite chicken treats open and he found it.....Got most of them.....UGGGHHHH...That was a little while ago....And guess who bounced yet again....
 
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Well he did it to me again....well I guess I did it to myself....Left the container of Purebite chicken treats open and he found it.....Got most of them.....UGGGHHHH...That was a little while ago....And guess who bounced yet again....
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Metal container, with a weighted or locking lid perhaps? Like I use to keep the squirrels and chipmunks out of my birdseed. Or a child proof lock on your cabinet, and always get into the habit of getting out 1 treat, putting the bag back and then doing the test and treat?

That black >500 BG test was after he gobbled down all those treats? How soon after?
Here's a thought for you. How many Purebites treats does Brady usually get for a test? Maybe cut that down to 1 only, or replace it with a bit of his Friskies pate style food instead. Just to see what happens, BG number wise.
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The guys are here refinishing our hardwood floors and the stink was terrible so sleep was a little tough, we were exhausted....
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At least you can open the windows this time of year, to let some of the chemical smells out. Not in the rooms where the floors are being redone of course, because that will simply stir up the dust and let pollen in to embed in the polyurethane.
 
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That black >500 BG test was after he gobbled down all those treats? How soon after?
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It was a little while after, he got them at the +5 mark....It was my fault, they are in a sealed container...I grabbed one to do his test and totally forgot to put the lid on, he found them on the counter...….

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Here's a thought for you. How many Purebites treats does Brady usually get for a test? Maybe cut that down to 1 only, or replace it with a bit of his Friskies pate style food instead. Just to see what happens, BG number wise.
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He only gets one treat at per test or shot time...He does like the shavings of the purebite on his food towards the end...plus it helps him finish up his meal...Pure protein their Deb....he loves them, so does Emma....Best treats by far.....


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At least you can open the windows this time of year, to let some of the chemical smells out. Not in the rooms where the floors are being redone of course, because that will simply stir up the dust and let pollen in to embed in the polyurethane.
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Pheewwww that poly stinks.....really bad....we do open the windows and run the AC and have some fans on...it takes a little bit to get the strong smell out but it only takes a little bit and then its manageable to deal with the smell...Two more days and they are done....Thank goodness.....
 
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Let’s hope this new dose brings him into some better numbers soon.
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Well he is doing his thing again...Gave him about a teaspoon or more of food to try to slow him down, dropped 100 pts in about an hour.....Im trying anything...Researching more things as well....trying to find information on the "panicky liver", getting some results but nothing useful yet....I have to find something to slow him down on these drops, I have tried food a couple of times but its not slowing his drops.....This may be a really stupid question, but Beanie and I were talking and she asked about using a higher carb food...more like a MC food instead of the LC food on a daily basis....Would this be an idea on how to slow him down on the drops.....or would that just raise his BG higher and he would still come crashing down?
 
The lowest carb option isn't always the best option for all diabetic cats.
There is a discussion, from many years ago, about that.
Here is that link Feeding Lowest/Zero Carb vs Lower Carb Foods

I always thought the Friskies pates were at the higher end of the 10% range, but looking at the food chart by Dr Lisa Pierson, that appears to have changed. When Wink was first being switched to canned food, we tried the Friskies pates, and I remember them being in the 8% to 10% range back in 2013.

Looks to me like Dr. Pierson changed the way she calculated the values for the 2017 version of the food chart.

(2018) AAHA Diabetes Management Guidelines for Dogs and Cats still recommends <12% carbs for diabetic cats.
A cat being overweight can also be part of "insulin resistance" or insulin not being used as well by the body. Fat cells cause insulin to be used differently. It's why human diabetics are urged to lose weight first, as part of their diabetes management.

When would you want to feed medium carb food Pat? Always? Or at only specific times in the cycle? Or something else? Kind of like "feeding the curve" that Marje has suggested?

I'm not familiar with using your suggested technique with the medium carb food, to make any good comments.
 
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When would you want to feed medium carb food Pat? Always? Or at only specific times in the cycle? Or something else? Kind of like "feeding the curve" that Marje has suggested?

I'm not familiar with using your suggested technique with the medium carb food, to make any good comments.
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Looking at Dr Pierson chart we are using all the lowest carb foods, all but the salmon, Emma gets sick on the salmon and Brady is a total fan of it......but all the other ones (Pate) we are using.....

Im just looking for ideas, that's why I asked about using the MC food on a regular basis just to see if anyone has tried that approach in the past....Really, grasping at straws to slow him down.....Because I think we all know what is going to happen to Brady either tomorrow morning sometime or evening...maybe even sooner....but he will bounce.

I have tried to get the +1,2 and 3 a few times, but again, he is so inconsistent that its hard to judge how to feed the curve....So, to be totally honest Deb, im just putting things out there to see if anyone has ever tried things or things they tried...as you all say ECID, so if someone has used some sort of little idea that made a big change in treatment that could help Brady, im willing to give it a go.....

I gave him the teaspoon or more of food at the +3 to see what he will be here shortly at +4....
 
Slowed him down, well kept him at the same level, that's something new.....sorta.....

Im actually trying to research the human end of diabetes as well, just to try to gain some knowledge.....slowly, im researching, in between working and everything else.....

Well, heading to bed, going to be getting up soon to check in a couple hours.....have a good evening everyone

As always, I look forward to seeing replies in the morning with any advice
 
Good morning....Brady dropped during the night, he ended up with a AMPS of 130, had to reduce the dose due to the availability of testing. Today is the final day of the floor contractors being in here and there are going to be several guys here and things I will have to be looking over...Brady ran yesterday when two guys showed up and hid the entire time they were here, which wasn't long....today there is going to be more guys here and I cant risk him hiding and not coming out, plus I will have to be looking over things when needed. I didn't want to reduce the dose but thought it was the best option with what is going on....I thought for sure he would have bounced last night but he didn't.
 
Well Brady has been dropping all day, slowly, which is a good thing...however as we approach PS he is already down to 132 and if he keeps dropping, I don't want to skip a dose but I am reluctant to give a full dose based off the rules for the MPM with him being under 150, if he falls even more at PS im feeling a reduced dose is most likely best. I don't have enough data built up that shows consistency and that worries me giving him a full dose....I will post what his PS number is shortly....If I had consistent numbers to really know what he is going to do shooting a full dose so low I would feel a lot more comfortable.
 
Remember meter variance Pat. Numbers that are within 15-20% of each other are within that meter variance, and are perfectly normal. So that 132 and 125 are both BASICALLY the SAME number.

You've got enough test data, that you could have shot that lower number, as long as you could monitor.

You shot 3U on a 158 before, when you were using the SLGS protocol. 158 - 15% = 134; 158 - 20% = 126.
So basically the same numbers you got today at +10.5 and PM pre-shot, are within the meter variance.

You're goal with the MPM protocol is to shoot numbers > 50 mg/dL.
If you never learn to shoot the lows, you'll keep on having Brady bounce.
"Trying to use a sliding scale, nearly always results in bouncing and wild unpredictable variations in blood glucose" and in essence, that is what Brady has been doing the last 3-4 days.
 
Im on the MPM, should I increase his dose by .25 tomorrow morning? I know I reduced the dose twice in the past few days, should I wait to increase the dose or increase it tomorrow...Heading to bed, will check first thing in the morning for any opinions...thanks
 
The MPM protocol says, based on the nadir and the amount of drop between the pre-shot and the nadir .......................................

















Looks to me like Brady is ready for an increase, even with those 2 reduced doses you gave him, his nadir is still not down in the greens (<99 mg/dL).

If Brady were my cat, I'd increase his dose in the AM by 0.25U.
 
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The MPM protocol says, based on the nadir and the amount of drop between the pre-shot and the nadir .......................................

















Looks to me like Brady is ready for an increase, even with those 2 reduced doses you gave him, his nadir is still not down in the greens (<99 mg/dL).

If Brady were my cat, I'd increase his dose in the AM by 0.25U.
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Well didn't get to change the dose, I had a bad night sleeping, yet again...to much on my mind I guess...but my wife let me sleep in this morning and she went with the 3.25U's...Guess it was a good thing, Brady decided he was going to drop big time today...hopefully he doesn't bounce..he was going down pretty quick ended up giving him some MC food to slow him down, still making sure that worked....paws crossed

UPDATE: That MC slowed him down, back up to 90 at +5...still hoping for no big bounce

UPDATE 2: And he took a big bounce......staying at 3.25U per the rules
 
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You did a good job managing those lower numbers. Not sure you needed to reach for the MC food, or if the normal LC food would have done the trick to bring his BG's back up. Which MC food did he get? So you know for the future, what worked, a note on the SS is helpful.

This may sound strange Pat, but could you make a note on the SS, in the Remarks column, when Beanie gives Brady his shot?
Wondering if there is a pattern to him dropping low, if Beanie draws up the dose and shoots instead of you. We actually had a member, @Patty & Teal'c, who's husband would give a different dose then she told him to give. Took a while, but he finally fessed up and admitted he was giving Teal'c a different dose.

Wild idea, but sometimes wild ideas pan out and sometimes they don't. The two of you may measure the dose a bit differently.

That was some nice time that Brady spent in the blues (100-199) and the greens (<99). Just wish he spent a bit longer there, and hadn't shot back up to the yellows (200-299), then the reds (400-499), then the blacks (>500).

How was he acting during this time?
 
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You did a good job managing those lower numbers. Not sure you needed to reach for the MC food, or if the normal LC food would have done the trick to bring his BG's back up. Which MC food did he get? So you know for the future, what worked, a note on the SS is helpful.
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Thank you Deb, I don't want to say I panicked because I really didn't, however, had a little concern with how he was dropping so fast in such a little time. He was fed LC food at his +4 time and he dropped even more, so thought it was best to try to slow him down...Actually only gave him a tiny bit of the turkey and cheese w/gravy, I mean just a little, not even a full teaspoon, and was actually more gravy. Could have been the combo of his LC and MC that made him start on the way back up...or could have been him bouncing.

Just wish this boy would drop so fast, I keep trying food to slow him down and its not working.....


Deb & Wink said:
This may sound strange Pat, but could you make a note on the SS, in the Remarks column, when Beanie gives Brady his shot?
Wondering if there is a pattern to him dropping low, if Beanie draws up the dose and shoots instead of you. We actually had a member, @Patty & Teal'c, who's husband would give a different dose then she told him to give. Took a while, but he finally fessed up and admitted he was giving Teal'c a different dose.
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Actually Deb, we have been working really well together with shots and measuring, we have a mark on the syringe we use for when its a 1/4 shot, if its off, its only a hair. That could go for either one of us though.


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How was he acting during this time?
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Goodness knows i dont want to jinx this, and i hope i dont....But he hasnt been drinking water or peeing very heavy at all...not that he was peeing alot but when he would climb in the upper numbers he would drink some water....he is doing really really good there......He was his normal self pretty much all day, he bugged to go out on the patio, couldnt take him out because of work...but all in all, no change that i could say, hmmmm why is he acting that way....

I appreciate the vote of confidence....im going to stay on the 3.25U for a little to see what happens.....he was in some better numbers today and he seems to be feeling really good.....

Thanks for being here Deb, have a wonderful night
 
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Here we go again Deb, falling fast, 375 at PS all the way down to 192 at +3...Gave him a couple licks of the gravy from the MC food from the other day to try to slow him down at +3, also gave him some LC food at +2 because I could just tell he was going to start falling fast again after the +1 reading....I have a feeling this is going to put me in my grave.....I know I know deep breaths.....

Did the MC food make him jump that high on 6/8 at +6, +7, +9 and PMPS?? Or was that just him bouncing? If I give him a little MC food at +4 tonight for his normal +4 feeding, will that shoot him way up again similar to the 6/8 numbers?
 
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If I give him a little MC food at +4 tonight for his normal +4 feeding, will that shoot him way up again similar to the 6/8 numbers?
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Yes, it probably will shoot his BG levels way up at the end of the cycle.
How about trying some low carb food first, and testing in 30 minutes or so to see how his numbers are trending?
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Did the MC food make him jump that high on 6/8 at +6, +7, +9 and PMPS?
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At least partially. His body reacting to those lows was also part of that big jump in BG levels. Those protective hormones and sugars get dumped into the blood, to keep what his body considers too low, at a safer and higher level.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Yes, it probably will shoot his BG levels way up at the end of the cycle.
How about trying some low carb food first, and testing in 30 minutes or so to see how his numbers are trending?

At least partially. His body reacting to those lows was also part of that big jump in BG levels. Those protective hormones and sugars get dumped into the blood, to keep what his body considers too low, at a safer and higher level.
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Deb, he is still dropping fast again on me, already down to 120.....I just don't get these fast drops all the time...I had to give him some MC food, I tried LC food at +2 and it did nothing....Im so trying to stop him from bouncing and nothing im doing is working......

111 @ +4.25
 
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Pat, right now it's not going to be possible to stop the bounce from those low numbers.

When you feed him the gravy food, you've said you let him lick the gravy off the food. Does he actually eat any of the food, or only lick the gravy? Gravy wears off fast, so you need to let him eat some of the food also.

p.s. Which gravy food is it that you are giving him as the MC food choice?

p.p.s. Sorry, really tired, not sure how much longer I'll be able to stay up with you.
 
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