27/4 monkey amps: 490

Hi Peter, have you been able to get more test strips yet?
Also get a few BG tests in when you can as we need to see what this 1unit dose is doing
 
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Peter, have you tested Pen Pen again ?
And tested Monkey at all today this cycle apart from the +4 which was a 200 point drop?
It is really important you stay in touch with the people who are helping you
I am sitting here in Australia, worrying about PenPen and if he is alright and having no way of contacting you.
If you get low numbers and someone is helping you with them, they are waiting to hear back from you so please, please keep in touch eith them.
 
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Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Peter, have you tested Pen Pen again ?
And tested Monkey at all today this cycle apart from the +4 which was a 200 point drop?
It is really important you stay in touch with the people who are helping you
I am sitting here in Australia, worrying about PenPen and if he is alright and having no way of contacting you.
If you get low numbers and someone is helping you with them, they are waiting to hear back from you so please, please keep in touch eith them.
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I was too absorbed to my other duties and forgot about the forum.:blackeye: I will try to better stay in touch. Perhaps set a notification function. PenPen will thank you for caring for him, he is doing fine now:cat:.
Yes I have tested PenPen again. I have got enough strips now.;)
 
Thanks Peter.:)
I understand it is easy to get distracted, but if you get low numbers again, it is really important that you stay in touch with who is helping you so that they know what is happening.
It is also really important that if you feed Monkey and Pen Pen at +2 every day that you continue to do that because the Cats are used to being fed at those times and if you don’t feed them, they will probably drop as they did today.
Always try and keep the feeding schedule the same every day.

I know this is all very new to you and you are doing a really good job looking after. 2 diabetic cats.

I’m glad you managed to get more test strips.
Did you get the honey?
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Thanks Peter.:)
I understand it is easy to get distracted, but if you get low numbers again, it is really important that you stay in touch with who is helping you so that they know what is happening.
It is also really important that if you feed Monkey and Pen Pen at +2 every day that you continue to do that because the Cats are used to being fed at those times and if you don’t feed them, they will probably drop as they did today.
Always try and keep the feeding schedule the same every day.

I know this is all very new to you and you are doing a really good job looking after. 2 diabetic cats.

I’m glad you managed to get more test strips.
Did you get the honey?
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Yes I got the honey. I gave PenPen dry food with honey on it when he was 34 ml.
Regarding to the feeding schedule, it is important to be consistent right? I may need to redesign my schedule then.
 
Peter H said:
Yes I got the honey. I gave PenPen dry food with honey on it when he was 34 ml.
Regarding to the feeding schedule, it is important to be consistent right? I may need to redesign my schedule then.
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It is better to use canned food and add the honey than the dry food as the canned will be absorbed more quickly also the dry is high carb and will last longer in the system.
With feeding, it is best to feed the same amount every day and around the same times.
You may have to feed extra if the cat drops low but generally it is best to have set feeding times, mostly in the first half of the cycle.

Is there any reason you are giving the insulin at 10.30am and pm?
wouldn’t it be easier for you if you gave it at say 8 am and 8 pm?
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
It is better to use canned food and add the honey than the dry food as the canned will be absorbed more quickly also the dry is high carb and will last longer in the system.
With feeding, it is best to feed the same amount every day and around the same times.
You may have to feed extra if the cat drops low but generally it is best to have set feeding times, mostly in the first half of the cycle.

Is there any reason you are giving the insulin at 10.30am and pm?
wouldn’t it be easier for you if you gave it at say 8 am and 8 pm?
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You mentioned yesterday I should get high-carb can food. Do you mean I should use high-carb can food with honey or low carb can food with honey when their BG are low?

It is easier to feed and give insulin at about 9 to 10:30 am, since I am a late riser. For now I feed Monkey and PenPen as much as they can eat so I give them 4-5 meals per day. (Can+ chicken breast) since I think they need to "recover" by eating more. What do you think about that? I can control the amount by weighing the food. Also, I want to ask if it is health for the cats to eat the skin of a chicken?

And yes, 2 diabetic cats. :rolleyes: Although sometimes it drains a lot of energy, but I am excited to see them recover. This unfortunate disease is an alarm for me to give importance to the welfare of my four cats. Before that, I did not participate in taking care of the cats. I hope I can provide the best environment for them.:bookworm:
 
Do you also feed them at night after they get the insulin at 10.30pm?
Yes it is fine for the cats to eat the skin of the chicken,
Do you feed the chicken raw or cooked?
 
Peter H said:
It is easier to feed and give insulin at about 9 to 10:30 am, since I am a late riser. For now I feed Monkey and PenPen as much as they can eat so I give them 4-5 meals per day. (Can+ chicken breast) since I think they need to "recover" by eating more. What do you think about that? I can control the amount by weighing the food. Also, I want to ask if it is health for the cats to eat the skin of a chicken?
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Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Do you also feed them at night after they get the insulin at 10.30pm?
Yes it is fine for the cats to eat the skin of the chicken,
Do you feed the chicken raw or cooked?
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Yes, I usually feed them can food and chicken at 11:30pm as their last meal.
Full cooked because I want to avoid the risk of raw meat. I read a book about cat nutrition it says raw is more nutritious, and cat can gradually adapt to from cook to raw. What do you think?
Also, after my blender arrive, I want to add cooked chicken heart, chicken kidney, chicken liver, and fish oil (safe amount according to manufacturers) to the can food and chicken breast.
The reason I do that because these organs provide more diverse nutrition at the same time less expansive than can food.
 
I feed my cats a completely raw diet. I don’t use a blender. I just cut it up or leave it whole
If you are Going to give chicken liver and kidney you need to know that you Can only give small amounts each day. For example I give my cats a piece of liver and kidney each day that weighs 6 grams. If you give too much liver you will poison the cat with too much vitamin A. Liver is excellent but in small amounts only. Same with kidney
And with chicken hearts I would not give more than 5 a day. I give my cats 3 a day.
You don’t need a blender to feed liver, kidney and hearts. They are soft enough for them to chew.

feeding them at 11.30pm and then not until 10.30 am is a long time without food.
Can you leave some food out for the, to eat or will the others eat it?
 
Peter, can you get a couple of test in for both Monkey and PenPen overnight to see how low they go please.?
And I’d give the them a snack each time you test.
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
I feed my cats a completely raw diet. I don’t use a blender. I just cut it up or leave it whole
If you are Going to give chicken liver and kidney you need to know that you Can only give small amounts each day. For example I give my cats a piece of liver and kidney each day that weighs 6 grams. If you give too much liver you will poison the cat with too much vitamin A. Liver is excellent but in small amounts only. Same with kidney
And with chicken hearts I would not give more than 5 a day. I give my cats 3 a day.
You don’t need a blender to feed liver, kidney and hearts. They are soft enough for them to chew.

feeding them at 11.30pm and then not until 10.30 am is a long time without food.
Can you leave some food out for the, to eat or will the others eat it?
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I have fed them at 11:30 pm, big meal with omega 3 fish oil. :cat:What time do you think I should test?
 
The reason I think blender is good is because I have four cats. If I weigh their food independently, then each type of food I need to weigh one time. For example, if I feed can food, chicken liver, chicken heart, chicken liver. I need to weigh four times and repeat the same procedure for four cats. If I have a blender, I assume the ingredients will be even to four cats. So I only weight once for each food and put it in the blender. Btw, do you have any source to recommend for me to learn about cat nutrition. I have few books that talk about it, but I want to see from where other people are learning. I want to be very safe and precise.
 
Peter H said:
The reason I think blender is good is because I have four cats. If I weigh their food independently, then each type of food I need to weigh one time. For example, if I feed can food, chicken liver, chicken heart, chicken liver. I need to weigh four times and repeat the same procedure for four cats. If I have a blender, I assume the ingredients will be even to four cats. So I only weight once for each food and put it in the blender. Btw, do you have any source to recommend for me to learn about cat nutrition. I have few books that talk about it, but I want to see from where other people are learning. I want to be very safe and precise.
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Yes, I see your point about the blender.
This is a terrific site for information about feeding cats. There are lots of articles within the site.
https://feline-nutrition.org/nutrition/take-heart-but-not-too-much

How are Monkey and PenPen today?
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
I see a 142 AMPS for Monkey. That is quite low for him. Please try and get some tests in during this cycles to see how low he is going .
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They are doing great.;) Let me check them at +2. Yesterday I was too tired to wake up at midnight at check them. Sleeping pill make waking up harder:banghead:. As you have mentioned, I think I should move the PMPS time to be earlier, like 9pm, and feed them. So I can check their PM+3 and give them a big meal at 12 am before sleep.
 
Peter you can’t just move them to 9 pm. The shots have to be 12 hours apart. Otherwise you risk a hypo if you give a dose 9 hours after the other.
You would have to change both times to 9am and 9pm. And you would need to do it by 1/2 hour a day.
If you decide to go ahead and do that I will help you with the times
 
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Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Peter you can’t just move them to 9 pm. The shots have to be 12 hours apart. Otherwise you risk a hypo if you give a dose 9 hours after the other.
You would have to change both times to 9am and 9pm. And you would need to do it by 1/2 hour a day.
If you decide to go ahead and do that I will help you with the times
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Of course, I will change the time gradually as you suggested;)
 
You mentioned you had taken a sleeping pill last night. I think it would be a good idea not to take one tonight as you will probably need to test Monkey and Pen Pen a few times. It's too risky to leave them all night without testing when they are dropping into the greens at the moment.
 
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@Bron and Sheba (GA) Monkey PMPS is 92. I find that both PenPen and Monkey eat less than normal, I think it is because I add fish oil omega 3 to their food. Do you think Monkey dose need to be adjusted?
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I think you need to swap them both onto the SLGS method as you do feed dry food at times.
That would mean a reduction in dose for both of them.
How are you situated to test tonight?
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
I think you need to swap them both onto the SLGS method as you do feed dry food at times.
That would mean a reduction in dose for both of them.
How are you situated to test tonight?
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Yes I can test them tonight. I did not eat sleeping pill. at what time I should test them. I feed them dry food and dry snack only if their BG is below 50 and with Honey. Does this count at feeding them dry food? Their shot is 15 minutes later @Bron and Sheba (GA)
 
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Peter H said:
Yes I can test them tonight. I did not eat sleeping pill. at what time I should test them. I feed them dry food and dry snack only if their BG is below 50 and with Honey. Does this count at feeding them dry food? Their shot is 15 minutes later @Bron and Sheba (GA)
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Peter I think I would skip Monkeys dose tonight. And in the morning start back with 0.75 units. That is under 1 unit. Do you thing you can draw that up OK?
 
You will need to put in both Monkeys and Pen Pens signature that you are doing SLGS so that we can see. When you get a chance can you change that please?
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Peter I think I would skip Monkeys dose tonight. And in the morning start back with 0.75 units. That is under 1 unit. Do you thing you can draw that up OK?
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Sure:). I just changed my signature. Today I read the article about TG and SLGS. I do not really understand which one I am doing. My vet let Monkey start with Caninsulin 3.0 U. And I check their BG a lot. It seems to me that both method require multiple monitoring.
 
Peter H said:
Sure:). I just changed my signature. Today I read the article about TG and SLGS. I do not really understand which one I am doing. My vet let Monkey start with Caninsulin 3.0 U. And I check their BG a lot. It seems to me that both method require multiple monitoring.
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Yes, although SLGS has a bigger safety buffer built in, just in case people aren't able to monitor as much. You test a lot during the day, but both PenPen and Monkey have had nights where we suspect that they might have gone lower than was detected. So they really need that safety buffer.

In any case, as Bron said, with dry food in the picture, SLGS is it!
 
Yes, if you can do it, you still want to get a +1 or +2. Even though you didn't give Monkey a shot tonight, he still has a Lantus depot that could bring him down lower.
 
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