3/9: Nova--I've shot a 188, but not a 108

LindyNova

LindyNova

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Stall on food...test again in 20 or so--or reduce the shot?(from many strings here) The cat-faces are both hungry! Did not hesitate before ---scared she will go too low tonight because of the bouncy bounce yesterday--prepared to pull a PJ party if needed...Help!
 
I'm not seeing on the spreadsheet where you shot a 118-- the lowest I see is 171 on March 6. 108 is a pretty big jump down from that.

Let's see where she is on the re-test after the stall!
 
Nan & Amber (GA) said:
I'm not seeing on the spreadsheet where you shot a 118-- the lowest I see is 171 on March 6. 108 is a pretty big jump down from that.

Let's see where she is on the re-test after the stall!
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OK, my bad, you are correct. 188 was the last blue I saw before I kinda panicked. She is in a bounce, I believe.
 
OK, there's a chance that the 108 was a bad strip, or else that she will start zooming up from here and you'll see a much higher number when you re-test.

We do the stall (no food) and re-test to get an idea of what direction she's heading in, to know whether it's safe to shoot. We need that tonight!
 
LindyNova said:
OK, my bad it was 188
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OK, for clarification purposes---NO FOOD, correct?
Nan & Amber (GA) said:
OK, there's a chance that the 108 was a bad strip, or else that she will start zooming up from here and you'll see a much higher number when you re-test.

We do the stall (no food) and re-test to get an idea of what direction she's heading in, to know whether it's safe to shoot. We need that tonight!
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Yes, we do. Both cats are trying to take me down for food & yeowling to the cat gods.......If I get up from my computer it will be all over. & and another test for the Noves...will be a growly hard anxiety-filled moment--but we'll get over it.
 
I removed the 911 -- we reserve that for medical emergencies.

With SLGS, you need to stall on that low of a pre-shot given you've not seen that low of a number yet. How far off schedule can you afford to be? Remember, your next shot will be 12 hours from whenever you shoot tonight.
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
I removed the 911 -- we reserve that for medical emergencies.

With SLGS, you need to stall on that low of a pre-shot given you've not seen that low of a number yet. How far off schedule can you afford to be? Remember, your next shot will be 12 hours from whenever you shoot tonight.
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OK, I'll remember that about the 911--I just don't normally get answers quickly--I don't post a lot. I can stall the shoot up to 2 hours. I don't know how long I can stall the food. They are cranky already! My boss is cool if I have to be late tomorrow.

How long would I have to stall the food?
 
OK, not a bad strip, then! At least she's not going down a lot, but she sure isn't making it easier for you by going straight into a bounce.

In two hours, when the lantus hits, she'll almost certainly be a lot higher, but because I will not be able to stay up with you tonight if you end up in a pj party, I can't advise you to shoot this number.

If you think you can go another half hour without the cats gnawing your hands off, you could try another stall to see if she starts rising a lot, or (failing that) if anyone else can help out...
 
On top of the cats--one of which is my son's--he can feed in another room, for crying out loud---I have my hubs on my s&%$ too. "Feed her already!!! Quit poking her..why are you waiting? Food will make her go higher"

I am remaining as calm as can be-surprise!--I know this is hard.....but I don't want to do the wrong thing. Who can I tag?
 
LindyNova said:
wouldn't food help her #s go up a bit for a safer shoot? or will I have to reduce?
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We try to keep food out of the picture when making shoot/no shoot decisions, at least at first. But stalling a hungry cat for too long can also affect numbers, that's why we only do a couple stalls before making a call in this situation.

No need to reduce here, she hasn't gone under 90 (yet!). If she's still not shootable at the next test, you would skip the shot.
 
LindyNova said:
So, the other option is no shot or half a dose?
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Just "no shot", in this case, unless someone comes on quick (or Nova climbs at least 30-40pts on the next test, I think)

Poor little kitties, not only are they not getting dinner, but one of them is getting extra pokes!! It must be mayhem over there!
 
Thank you Nan. This IS my first rodeo! I totally appreciate the advice. She was in the Black last night---a no shot won't hurt too bad, I guess.
 
Yeah, dunno what's gotten into her tonight, but I think a skip is the right call here. If you skip, though, you should still get at least one more test tonight to keep an eye on her. She's in (almost) uncharted territory for her.

Feed your hungry critters! Have a great night!
 
Great! Think of it as good data for the next time she pulls this kind of thing-- at least you'll have one example to look back on and say, "well, that one time with a low pre-shot she did this later on"
 
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/3-9-nova-ive-shot-a-188-but-not-a-108.226811/

Shoulda, woulda, coulda--Followed protocol----Now I wish I would have shot--I was SO afraid to put her into hypo- and I was ready to pull an all-nighter---I hate the blacks & she was in a bounce from the day before. :banghead:Next time, I'll know better (maybe) (Hope the depot didn't drain too much for tomorrow) Sleep easy Novee----I know I won't.:(

What happens if she goes sky high?
 
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LindyNova said:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/3-9-nova-ive-shot-a-188-but-not-a-108.226811/

Shoulda, woulda, coulda--Followed protocol----Now I wish I would have shot--I was SO afraid to put her into hypo- and I was ready to pull an all-nighter---I hate the blacks & she was in a bounce from the day before. :banghead:Next time, I'll know better (maybe) (Hope the depot didn't drain too much for tomorrow) Sleep easy Novee----I know I won't.:(

What happens if she goes sky high?
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Well, now you know next time you can give a token dose...maybe 1-1.5 units - just so Nova gets some insulin. You just don't know what cats are going to do until you do it.
Being too high for a few hours is always better than being too low- especially since your kitty doesn't have a history of ketones.
Not much to do if she does higher...the numbers will ebb and start to come down a little closer to the next shot time and you can start again

:bighug:
 
Some kitties benefit from adjustments to their feeding schedules to help navigate their BGs while being treated with insulin.
I used to feed my guy on a similar schedule as you and we had to make a few adjustments as see what worked.
He doesn't surf as well ( hold a range of numbers) if he doesn't eat for 6 hours, but ECID
 
Si am cat mom said:
Well, now you know next time you can give a token dose...maybe 1-1.5 units - just so Nova gets some insulin. You just don't know what cats are going to do until you do it.
Being too high for a few hours is always better than being too low- especially since your kitty doesn't have a history of ketones.
Not much to do if she does higher...the numbers will ebb and start to come down a little closer to the next shot time and you can start again

:bighug:
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I did ask if I could reduce the dose....guess I didn't word it properly and I must have missed that in my readings. Thank you in advance if this ever happens again.
 
Si am cat mom said:
Some kitties benefit from adjustments to their feeding schedules to help navigate their BGs while being treated with insulin.
I used to feed my guy on a similar schedule as you and we had to make a few adjustments as see what worked.
He doesn't surf as well ( hold a range of numbers) if he doesn't eat for 6 hours, but ECID
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something to think about for sure....may get more opposition that switching from a 12 hour feeding tho. Thank you.
 
Don't worry. The ugly numbers are tough to see, but they are temporary. We were pretty sure she was going to bounce from the unfamiliar low numbers, the only question was when. Would have been nice if she'd at least started during the hour of stalling, but oh well. That's cats for ya! :rolleyes:

Now you have a little bit of data to help guide the decision next time-- maybe still not shooting on 108/104/112 kind of numbers, but working your way down until you get to that point. And hopefully next time there will be someone who can stay with you. I just couldn't in good conscience tell you to shoot, even a reduced dose, and then abandon you-- we don't do that kind of thing around here! When you do shoot low numbers for the first time, we will make sure that there is someone with you just in case she decides to switch things up from last night's pattern and go even lower from pre-shot. Safety is the first priority!

Again, the ugly numbers are temporary-- looking at Nova's spreadsheet, it looks like she doesn't stay bouncing for very long, so you should see some good numbers again soon. Hang in there!
 
LindyNova said:
Shoulda, woulda, coulda--Followed protocol----Now I wish I would have shot--I was SO afraid to put her into hypo
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I was in the same boat last night. Scratches had a pre shot of 133 (which is lower than usual and I just did a dose increase yesterday morning) so I opted to skip her shot because I wasn't fully confident to shoot that low especially since I just did an increase. This am she was sky high. Wish I would have shot last night. But now I know. And so do you. Any data is good data is what i've been learning! And as long as we have the hypo kit on hand we can avoid issues. My problem is not being so gun shy and just pull the trigger. We can do those all nighters if need be for our fur babies! :cool::p:D

Edit: I just read the notes in your SS. I did not sleep well last night knowing I didn't give Scratches her shot, and from the looks of things, you didn't either! I'm sure the kitties slept just fine though! :rolleyes::p
 
Scratches123 said:
I was in the same boat last night. Scratches had a pre shot of 133 (which is lower than usual and I just did a dose increase yesterday morning) so I opted to skip her shot because I wasn't fully confident to shoot that low especially since I just did an increase. This am she was sky high. Wish I would have shot last night. But now I know. And so do you. Any data is good data is what i've been learning! And as long as we have the hypo kit on hand we can avoid issues. My problem is not being so gun shy and just pull the trigger. We can do those all nighters if need be for our fur babies! :cool::p:D

Edit: I just read the notes in your SS. I did not sleep well last night knowing I didn't give Scratches her shot, and from the looks of things, you didn't either! I'm sure the kitties slept just fine though! :rolleyes::p
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Thanks for that!! Nice to know I had company. Happy I had @Nan & Amber (GA) to help right away (false 911 removed later and then no answer) o_O. Yep I would pulled an allnighter--even with a token dose.

I don't think Nova slept too well either--I think when she's flying high she meeRooooows a LOT, and just can't settle down. Yeah, gun shy for sure. Didn't really know that I could do a token shot either, now I do! It's all good--learning curve and all that. Gotta "love" how the sweet kitty's bodies like to mess with our heads. ;)
 
Nan & Amber (GA) said:
Don't worry. The ugly numbers are tough to see, but they are temporary. We were pretty sure she was going to bounce from the unfamiliar low numbers, the only question was when. Would have been nice if she'd at least started during the hour of stalling, but oh well. That's cats for ya! :rolleyes:

Now you have a little bit of data to help guide the decision next time-- maybe still not shooting on 108/104/112 kind of numbers, but working your way down until you get to that point. And hopefully next time there will be someone who can stay with you. I just couldn't in good conscience tell you to shoot, even a reduced dose, and then abandon you-- we don't do that kind of thing around here! When you do shoot low numbers for the first time, we will make sure that there is someone with you just in case she decides to switch things up from last night's pattern and go even lower from pre-shot. Safety is the first priority!

Again, the ugly numbers are temporary-- looking at Nova's spreadsheet, it looks like she doesn't stay bouncing for very long, so you should see some good numbers again soon. Hang in there!
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Thank you for checking in!!! And I totally understand the reasoning behind your advice not to shoot. I'll get over it. AND....so what...we start over and bring her down again.....it is a marathon...fall down--get back up and resume the race. Thank you AGAIN for the quick response and guidance. :):cat:
 
Scratches123 said:
I was in the same boat last night. Scratches had a pre shot of 133 (which is lower than usual and I just did a dose increase yesterday morning) so I opted to skip her shot because I wasn't fully confident to shoot that low especially since I just did an increase. This am she was sky high. Wish I would have shot last night. But now I know. And so do you. Any data is good data is what i've been learning! And as long as we have the hypo kit on hand we can avoid issues. My problem is not being so gun shy and just pull the trigger. We can do those all nighters if need be for our fur babies! :cool::p:D

Edit: I just read the notes in your SS. I did not sleep well last night knowing I didn't give Scratches her shot, and from the looks of things, you didn't either! I'm sure the kitties slept just fine though! :rolleyes::p
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@Scratches123 ....Right now it feels like we are back at the beginning of Dx. Only the dose is higher. SO frustrating!! Will they EVER just surf without hitting waves and bouncing back to shore??? and maybe, just maybe regulate?
 
LindyNova said:
Thanks for that!! Nice to know I had company. Happy I had @Nan & Amber (GA) to help right away (false 911 removed later and then no answer) o_O. Yep I would pulled an allnighter--even with a token dose.

I don't think Nova slept too well either--I think when she's flying high she meeRooooows a LOT, and just can't settle down. Yeah, gun shy for sure. Didn't really know that I could do a token shot either, now I do! It's all good--learning curve and all that. Gotta "love" how the sweet kitty's bodies like to mess with our heads. ;)
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It sometimes takes a bit to get responses. Most of the time they're quick but sometimes it takes a while so I had to take matter into my own hands last night and do what I felt was best. Turns out it was wrong, haha but I learned. She keeps me on my toes for sure. I notice she dips near PMPS so that makes it very difficult for me to make dosing decisions on my own. I'd be totally lost without this group. It's a marathon for sure. Those high numbers won't last and won't hurt her for a few hours. Better to be too high for a few hours than too low.
LindyNova said:
@Scratches123 ....Right now it feels like we are back at the beginning of Dx. Only the dose is higher. SO frustrating!! Will they EVER just surf without hitting waves and bouncing back to shore??? and maybe, just maybe regulate?
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Scratches was down to .1 unit a while back. That's such a small amount. She failed her reductions and is now back up to 1.25. I hate it :(
 
Scratches123 said:
It sometimes takes a bit to get responses. Most of the time they're quick but sometimes it takes a while so I had to take matter into my own hands last night and do what I felt was best. Turns out it was wrong, haha but I learned. She keeps me on my toes for sure. I notice she dips near PMPS so that makes it very difficult for me to make dosing decisions on my own. I'd be totally lost without this group. It's a marathon for sure. Those high numbers won't last and won't hurt her for a few hours. Better to be too high for a few hours than too low.

Scratches was down to .1 unit a while back. That's such a small amount. She failed her reductions and is now back up to 1.25. I hate it :(
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Yeah, I hear ya. Makes me want to take her back to my vet for some tests for UTI & ketones, but she shows no signs of either. Stupid disease!
 
LindyNova said:
Yeah, I hear ya. Makes me want to take her back to my vet for some tests for UTI & ketones, but she shows no signs of either. Stupid disease!
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I actually did that a couple weeks ago I ran her right to the vet. The vet checked her teeth. Nothing wrong there. Said she didn't want to rack up a bill and do a bunch of tests because she saw no reason to do that. Scratches just had a full panel done in Sept. She said it takes time. Ugh!
 
Scratches123 said:
I actually did that a couple weeks ago I ran her right to the vet. The vet checked her teeth. Nothing wrong there. Said she didn't want to rack up a bill and do a bunch of tests because she saw no reason to do that. Scratches just had a full panel done in Sept. She said it takes time. Ugh!
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my vet would probably do it. Nova's panel was in October. I will no longer use her for FD support, so...i guess I won't!
 
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