Help Needed - Wenchie is barely eating, Chewy failed me & I'm afraid she won't live until tomorrow

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Diane, you got all the good advice already. Yes she needs to eat, even if she isn't utilizing her food well. That means more food rather than less. Great job on the syringe feeding-- for most cats, it isn't that stressful. And great that she's eating a little now on her own. I swear, sometimes syringe feeding reminds a cat how hungry they are. The extra water added is great. Makes it easier for her to eat and keeps her hydrated. Sorry that Chewy sucks rabid weasels. Now I know not to shop there.

You are awesome. You are doing great. Wenchie is awesome. Hang in there Wenchie!
 
My mom's little dog just got a partial tear in her ACL last week after a jump from the bed, and Chewy held on to the anti-inflammatory/pain prescription for 3 days AFTER admittedly having received the prescription from the vet, and they still hadn't shipped it. So mom told them to cancel while on the phone asking where the heck it was, they did cancel, and guess what...the medication showed up anyway, 8 days after it was prescribed and subsequently cancelled. Very disappointing, this didn't used to be the case with Chewy.

Juls is right, sometimes just getting some food in their stomachs helps. I hope Wenchie turns the corner for you soon!
 
Diane, you got all the good advice already. Yes she needs to eat, even if she isn't utilizing her food well. That means more food rather than less. Great job on the syringe feeding-- for most cats, it isn't that stressful. And great that she's eating a little now on her own. I swear, sometimes syringe feeding reminds a cat how hungry they are. The extra water added is great. Makes it easier for her to eat and keeps her hydrated. Sorry that Chewy sucks rabid weasels. Now I know not to shop there.

You are awesome. You are doing great. Wenchie is awesome. Hang in there Wenchie!

Thank you!!!! She seems ok now. I told her we just need to get to tomorrow and she'll start feeling better with her enzymes. She ate, she peed and now she's sitting on my husband's wicker chest.

Rabid weasels!!! I must borrow that! Thank you so much for everything.
 
One risk with her not eating would be Hepatic Lipidosis.

Wenchie does not need that complication on top of the diabetes or the lack of digestive enzymes.

You might try a butcher shop, see if they have any beef or pork pancreas, like @JL and Chip mentioned. Just in case Chewy messes up again.

I never count on the 1-2 day shipping from Chewy. For anything. The shipping guarantee is AFTER they have packaged up the item and gotten UPS or Fedex to pick it up. Anything time critical, I get it locally. But then, I'm close to Boston and Angell Memorial Veterinary Hospital and some other places with world class vet care and pet pharmacies.

Plus with the Covid19 virus, Chewy and elsewhere may have been delayed in getting the products to them. It's going to happen more and more, as the supply chain gets disrupted. Unfortunately, you and Wenchie happened to fall victim to that. No consolation to you. But that is more likely to happen as time goes on.

Maybe a large specialty vet hospital would have the digestive enzymes in stock. But, there is not a lot of call for something like that, so even they may need to order it. Other thought is if there is a large Vet teaching hospital anywhere near you. Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine is likely to be too far away from where you live. Locations are in Ithaca and Elmont (long island) NY and in Stamford CT.

You'd likely need your vet to call them to order the pancreatic enzymes on your behalf. Not sure if any of there locations would have the pancreatic enzymes in stock either.

p.s. Sorry I had to cut out on you, urgent need to get elsewhere to cat sit for a diabetic cat and get him his insulin shot on time.

Rabid weasels indeed.
 
My mom's little dog just got a partial tear in her ACL last week after a jump from the bed, and Chewy held on to the anti-inflammatory/pain prescription for 3 days AFTER admittedly having received the prescription from the vet, and they still hadn't shipped it. So mom told them to cancel while on the phone asking where the heck it was, they did cancel, and guess what...the medication showed up anyway, 8 days after it was prescribed and subsequently cancelled. Very disappointing, this didn't used to be the case with Chewy.

Juls is right, sometimes just getting some food in their stomachs helps. I hope Wenchie turns the corner for you soon!

OMG - this was my first ---- and last --- prescription I will ever fill at Chewy. My vet told them how vital it was to get this out asap - she called it "life-saving" (and it very well may be in Wenchie's case). I cannot believe how they jerked me around. I called around to animal emergency hospitals early this morning hoping someone had the enzymes and one person I spoke with said she has heard terrible things about Chewy's prescription service - so now I really know I'm not alone and it wasn't me (sometimes I'm a pushy broad!).

She seems satiated right now - ate, peed, and now sitting by my husband on his wicker chest, happily purring. I told her we just need to make it to tomorrow!

Thank you so, so much!!!!!
 
One risk with her not eating would be Hepatic Lipidosis.

Wenchie does not need that complication on top of the diabetes or the lack of digestive enzymes.

You might try a butcher shop, see if they have any beef or pork pancreas, like @JL and Chip mentioned. Just in case Chewy messes up again.

I never count on the 1-2 day shipping from Chewy. For anything. The shipping guarantee is AFTER they have packaged up the item and gotten UPS or Fedex to pick it up. Anything time critical, I get it locally. But then, I'm close to Boston and Angell Memorial Veterinary Hospital and some other places with world class vet care and pet pharmacies.

Plus with the Covid19 virus, Chewy and elsewhere may have been delayed in getting the products to them. It's going to happen more and more, as the supply chain gets disrupted. Unfortunately, you and Wenchie happened to fall victim to that. No consolation to you. But that is more likely to happen as time goes on.

Maybe a large specialty vet hospital would have the digestive enzymes in stock. But, there is not a lot of call for something like that, so even they may need to order it. Other thought is if there is a large Vet teaching hospital anywhere near you. Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine is likely to be too far away from where you live. Locations are in Ithaca and Elmont (long island) NY and in Stamford CT.

You'd likely need your vet to call them to order the pancreatic enzymes on your behalf. Not sure if any of there locations would have the pancreatic enzymes in stock either.

p.s. Sorry I had to cut out on you, urgent need to get elsewhere to cat sit for a diabetic cat and get him his insulin shot on time.

Rabid weasels indeed.

Wow - yes, never thought about the Covid-19 stuff interrupting the supply chain! Geez, you guys are all so amazing!

Cornell (where Karen went to school) is about 4 hours. Tufts is about 3 1/2 hours (because of Boston traffic). Elmont is the next town over from where I grew up - know it well. Stamford is also about 3 1/2 to 4 hours. But if I have to get something and want to go "locally" I will absolutely drive. I do a lot of rescue transports so driving doesn't bother me. However, since Wenchie's diagnosis, we haven't strayed too far from home or for very long periods.

I'm so hoping the enzymes really kick in quickly and she starts to feel better. I got the Fed Ex shipping notice so I know it's on its way. I'm so, so disappointed in Chewy!!!!

Thanks so much - off to feed her again and then to bed! Night night!
 
Sorry about the delivery mess. :bighug: Glad to see Wenchie was eating a bit. Syringe feeding often primes the pump.

If the enzymes taste bad, make sure you have some other food to mix it with to syringe into her. Or she may associate bad taste with her regular food.
 
The enzymes do taste bad. Member Wendy&Tiggy(GA) had to give them to both her diabetic cats and she always mentioned how difficult it was to get her cats to eat the foods with the enzymes added in.

We also recently had a person with a young kitten, and their vet thought the kitten needed the pancreatic enzymes. Luckily, the TLI test came back negative, so @Joanna Duncan was able to stop the enzymes, to her and her kitten Minnie's great relief.

Info in that thread for future reference. http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/kitten-with-type-1-diabetes.224146/#post-2525907
 
@Diane Engoron just want to emphasize the potential importance of B12 (cobalamin) injections in conjunction with the digestive enzymes.

The form of B12 you want for this is cyanocobalamin (NOT methylcobalamin, which is also talked about here frequently but for an entirely different purpose).

If Karen didn’t give Wenchie a B12 shot and/or didn’t mention using it going forward, you might want to talk to her about it. It can be a very important part of the protocol. It’s quite inexpensive.
 
Hi there! I had a kitty that needed enzymes for EPI and I ordered from Enzyme Diane. https://enzymediane.com/ My sweet Wesley is gone now (colon cancer) but we had great success with pancreatic enzymes from Enzyme Diane. The website even has a list of places to get over the counter Emergency Enzymes if you run out and can't wait for shipping from Diane.

I came up with a great solution to overcome the nasty taste and burning of the enzymes. I have it written up because I needed it for feeding instructions when he went in for radioactive iodine treatment.

Pancreatin 6x Porcine Enzyme Replacement
After much trial and error (and constant poop patrol!) I found that Wesley’s optimum dose was ¾ tsp of enzymes per 1 ¼ cup of food – nowhere near what was first prescribed. I actually started off at half the recommended dose and that was still way too much. He was constantly drooling until we got the mix and dose just right. This mix gave Wes 16 feedings @ ¼ can of FF per feeding.

THE MIX:
· Once a day or so I pureed ¾ can of FF chicken pate in my magic bullet, poured it in a small glass bowl, added ¾ tsp of enzymes, mixed well, covered and incubated at room temp for 20 to 30 minutes. I then refrigerated until it got thick and cold. I found that Wes preferred his enzymes thick and cold – this worked extremely well for him. (He also liked cold food, so I was lucky there too.)

When I was getting ready to make the puree I'd shake the cans of FF and use the ones with the most juice. I used ¾ of the can of food and all of the juice to make the puree. If you can’t find juicy cans you’ll need to add ½ tsp of water when you puree – this helps to syringe it up later when it’s cold.

FEEDING:
· Canned Food: Add 1 tsp of cold puree to ¼ can of FF, blend & feed right away.
· Dry Food: Syringe drizzle 1 tsp of cold puree on top of a small heaped tablespoon of dry food (I didn't mix this) & feed right away. It actually looks pretty appetizing – like a caramel drizzle on top of his crunchies!

(I know dry food isn't ideal for diabetics, but I included a picture to show the puree).

Enzymes mixed and served any other way gave him mouth sores.
Too little or too much enzymes you’ll get nasty poops.
NEVER heat enzymes – it destroys them.
Canned food mixed with enzyme puree left out too long gets slimy. I always put any leftover mixed food back in the fridge for later.
I threw out any enzyme puree leftover from the day before. You can still use it, it doesn’t go bad but it sure gets slimy – it’s not worth it.

Wes was always a good eater but mixing with water and enzymes just didn’t cut it. Once I got the puree formula just right he ate anything and everything, licked up every drop of enzyme and his poops were never better!

It took a lot of figuring, measuring and calculating when I first started out (5 cans of FF equals roughly 1 ¼ cup of food – ¾ can to mix the enzymes plus roughly 4 cans a day he got fed) Wes ate quite frequently because of the concurrent hyperthyroidism (until treatment fixed that) – 1 tablespoon roughly every 2 hours, morning, noon and night – he was VERY good at waking me up in the middle of the night to be fed! (We had 4 cats in the house, so I couldn't leave any enzyme food out)
 

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Sorry about the delivery mess. :bighug: Glad to see Wenchie was eating a bit. Syringe feeding often primes the pump.

If the enzymes taste bad, make sure you have some other food to mix it with to syringe into her. Or she may associate bad taste with her regular food.

Karen told us to keep some fish oil on hand to mix it with the enzymes. I absolutely don't want her to associate bad taste with her regular food! Thank you so much - we made it through the night - thankful!!!
 
Hi there! I had a kitty that needed enzymes for EPI and I ordered from Enzyme Diane. https://enzymediane.com/ My sweet Wesley is gone now (colon cancer) but we had great success with pancreatic enzymes from Enzyme Diane. The website even has a list of places to get over the counter Emergency Enzymes if you run out and can't wait for shipping from Diane.

I came up with a great solution to overcome the nasty taste and burning of the enzymes. I have it written up because I needed it for feeding instructions when he went in for radioactive iodine treatment.

Pancreatin 6x Porcine Enzyme Replacement
After much trial and error (and constant poop patrol!) I found that Wesley’s optimum dose was ¾ tsp of enzymes per 1 ¼ cup of food – nowhere near what was first prescribed. I actually started off at half the recommended dose and that was still way too much. He was constantly drooling until we got the mix and dose just right. This mix gave Wes 16 feedings @ ¼ can of FF per feeding.

THE MIX:
· Once a day or so I pureed ¾ can of FF chicken pate in my magic bullet, poured it in a small glass bowl, added ¾ tsp of enzymes, mixed well, covered and incubated at room temp for 20 to 30 minutes. I then refrigerated until it got thick and cold. I found that Wes preferred his enzymes thick and cold – this worked extremely well for him. (He also liked cold food, so I was lucky there too.)

When I was getting ready to make the puree I'd shake the cans of FF and use the ones with the most juice. I used ¾ of the can of food and all of the juice to make the puree. If you can’t find juicy cans you’ll need to add ½ tsp of water when you puree – this helps to syringe it up later when it’s cold.

FEEDING:
· Canned Food: Add 1 tsp of cold puree to ¼ can of FF, blend & feed right away.
· Dry Food: Syringe drizzle 1 tsp of cold puree on top of a small heaped tablespoon of dry food (I didn't mix this) & feed right away. It actually looks pretty appetizing – like a caramel drizzle on top of his crunchies!

(I know dry food isn't ideal for diabetics, but I included a picture to show the puree).

Enzymes mixed and served any other way gave him mouth sores.
Too little or too much enzymes you’ll get nasty poops.
NEVER heat enzymes – it destroys them.
Canned food mixed with enzyme puree left out too long gets slimy. I always put any leftover mixed food back in the fridge for later.
I threw out any enzyme puree leftover from the day before. You can still use it, it doesn’t go bad but it sure gets slimy – it’s not worth it.

Wes was always a good eater but mixing with water and enzymes just didn’t cut it. Once I got the puree formula just right he ate anything and everything, licked up every drop of enzyme and his poops were never better!

It took a lot of figuring, measuring and calculating when I first started out (5 cans of FF equals roughly 1 ¼ cup of food – ¾ can to mix the enzymes plus roughly 4 cans a day he got fed) Wes ate quite frequently because of the concurrent hyperthyroidism (until treatment fixed that) – 1 tablespoon roughly every 2 hours, morning, noon and night – he was VERY good at waking me up in the middle of the night to be fed! (We had 4 cats in the house, so I couldn't leave any enzyme food out)

My gosh - you guys are such a wealth of information - I'm cutting and pasting these into a document so I can sit and really read everything when I'm with Wenchie in the kitchen. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!!!!!!!
 
My gosh - you guys are such a wealth of information - I'm cutting and pasting these into a document so I can sit and really read everything when I'm with Wenchie in the kitchen. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!!!!!!!
Incubating the enzymes was the true key - that stuff is potent! It breaks down anything that can be broken down that it comes in contact with. (Hence the glass bowls & mouth sores) Refrigeration slowed down the process but the breakdown was still happening - that's why it got slimy. I tried everything too (fish oil, baby food, tuna water, etc, etc, etc, anything I could think of) And I know this sounds yucky, but I taste tested most everything, o_O (just a wee taste on the tip of my tongue then spit out) - it had the potential to burn and if he had to eat it I could at least taste it. (Got rid of a few concoctions this way!) He did really well on enzymes for years and if he ever got in to any contraband food I could just grab a small squirt and shoot it straight in his mouth with no problems. Don't get discouraged - just need to find the right mix that works for You and Wenchie!
 
Incubating the enzymes was the true key - that stuff is potent! It breaks down anything that can be broken down that it comes in contact with. (Hence the glass bowls & mouth sores) Refrigeration slowed down the process but the breakdown was still happening - that's why it got slimy. I tried everything too (fish oil, baby food, tuna water, etc, etc, etc, anything I could think of) And I know this sounds yucky, but I taste tested most everything, o_O (just a wee taste on the tip of my tongue then spit out) - it had the potential to burn and if he had to eat it I could at least taste it. (Got rid of a few concoctions this way!) He did really well on enzymes for years and if he ever got in to any contraband food I could just grab a small squirt and shoot it straight in his mouth with no problems. Don't get discouraged - just need to find the right mix that works for You and Wenchie!

It’s on the FedEx truck so I’m expecting it any time now before 12. I will keep trying different ways of “delivery” until I find one that she’ll tolerate.

All of this has been so emotional. Wenchie has always been really close to my husband but since her diagnosis, she has become a mommy’s girl. I know she knows I am fighting for her.

I cannot thank everyone enough for everything - unselfishly sharing your experiences and knowledge is such a gift. I will make sure everything I know as I move along this journey will be shared. I have had so many moments when I was so frightened, frustrated, angry and sad. You guys are all Wenchie’s guardian angels.
 
If you noticed on the information I linked, you can get pancreatic enzymes compounded into a pill form. As long as the compounding pharmacy uses a gel cap and not an enteric coated tablet, you should be good. I don't know if it's possible for you to fill gel caps yourself.
 
If you noticed on the information I linked, you can get pancreatic enzymes compounded into a pill form. As long as the compounding pharmacy uses a gel cap and not an enteric coated tablet, you should be good. I don't know if it's possible for you to fill gel caps yourself.

I did but so far so good. We just did one dose mid-morning. I pureed pate with a little filtered water and the enzymes. She had absolutely no problem with it at all! I was thrilled! Let’s hope this trend continues!
 
@Deb & Wink @Sienne and Gabby (GA) @SheKit & JessKat @JL and Chip

OK I have been up since 4am - Daylight Savings time - Wenchie is very, very weak. I pureed food again this morning with the added enzymes. She is having a very hard time, I'm sure because of feeling weak, and not going in the litter box. I have it surrounded with wee wee pads so no big deal.

Anyway, I'm going to keep feeding her with a syringe but my question is - do I add some enzymes each time to the puree? This is her dosage per Karen:

Breakfast - 3/4 teaspoon Enzymes with 1 can of food
Mid Day - scant 1/2 tsp Enzymes with 1/2 can of food
Dinner - 3/4 teaspoon Enzymes with 1 can of food
Before bed - scant 1/2 tsp Enzymes with 1/2 can of food

Karen wants me to feed her as much as she wants in the beginning because she is so thin so this schedule is as we hopefully get down the road and feeling a bit better. But after syringing the food, she doesn't want any more food. Should I just keep syringe-feeding her every hour or so?

Thanks guys - I'm not giving up yet and I don't think Wenchie will either. She jumped into the bathtub this morning! She must have some energy!
 
Wenchie is very, very weak. I pureed food again this morning with the added enzymes.

Anyway, I'm going to keep feeding her with a syringe but my question is - do I add some enzymes each time to the puree?
I’d purée a full meal’s worth (ie “breakfast”), including enzymes, at one time per Karen’s instructions, then syringe feed it to her over the course of a few hours. The enzymes are already in there so I wouldn’t add more. You want to get a good amount of food into her at a time but not so much that it makes her vomit.

Karen wants me to feed her as much as she wants in the beginning because she is so thin so this schedule is as we hopefully get down the road and feeling a bit better. But after syringing the food, she doesn't want any more food. Should I just keep syringe-feeding her every hour or so?
See what she will tolerate withiut vomiting, but yes, you might need to do multiple small feedings. She needs food and you might have to syringe feed her 100 percent in the short term. Hopefully she’ll eat some on her own.

It’s been awhile since I used digestive enzymes so maybe someone else has better advice.
 
I’d purée a full meal’s worth (ie “breakfast”), including enzymes, at one time per Karen’s instructions, then syringe feed it to her over the course of a few hours. The enzymes are already in there so I wouldn’t add more. You want to get a good amount of food into her at a time but not so much that it makes her vomit.


See what she will tolerate withiut vomiting, but yes, you might need to do multiple small feedings. She needs food and you might have to syringe feed her 100 percent in the short term. Hopefully she’ll eat some on her own.

It’s been awhile since I used digestive enzymes so maybe someone else has better advice.

Thank you! Exactly what I’m doing. I’m giving her a full syringe (10 mils) every hour or so. Just one so not to overwhelm her.
 
Given that incubating the food is often recommended, if you make up a batch of food and feed small amounts from the batch, Wenchie will be getting enzymes with all of food. I believe that the enzymes need to be in everything you feed your kitty otherwise the food won't be digested properly.
 
Given that incubating the food is often recommended, if you make up a batch of food and feed small amounts from the batch, Wenchie will be getting enzymes with all of food. I believe that the enzymes need to be in everything you feed your kitty otherwise the food won't be digested properly.

Exactly what I’m doing. I just pureed a can of kitten turkey feast with her full 3/4 tsp of enzymes. Will be feeding her every hour to hour and a half

Thank you!!!!
 
I so appreciate the support and positive thoughts and energy coming her way!

Syringe feeding every hour - just 10 mils of pureed kitten turkey pate with enzymes. Just finished and she’s having some kitten salmon on her own.

She’s not ready to go just yet. ❤️❤️❤️
 
Yes, the enzymes do need to be in each batch of food. The enzymes need to be in the salmon food too. If she just had some other food first, a little bit of a treat without the enzyme should be ok.

Keep syringe feeding her as often as she will let you. And even some times when she might not be as cooperative.

If she starts to fight you with the syringe feeding, she may be telling you she is getting better. Or jumping in the bathtub may be telling you the same thing! "Mom, I've got some energy today." :p

I never syringe fed any of my pets, but did hand feed them. I hand feed Wink multiple times a day, tiny corn kernel sized amounts of his food, with just enough water to make it go down easier. It takes a lot of time to assist feed, either by hand or with a syringe. You have to be patient and give the patient time to swallow the food. And when they spit some of it back out, you have a dish to catch it in. Plenty of paper towels for cleanup. A plain wet washcloth to wipe the food out of their face and off their paws and chin, and front and elsewhere afterward. :cat:

I used to hand feed Wink on the bathroom vinyl floor. Easier to clean up than the carpets. ;) It's a messy job.

DON"T overdue it on the enzymes. Too much can cause side effects, mouth sores I think it was. Diarrhea and constipation are both common side effects. So watch out for those and other symptoms, and call your vet Karen if you have a question.
 
Sadly I’ve done a lot of syringe feeding over the years with many of my cats. I told my husband how sadly familiar this all is. I’m giving her 10 mils of pureed food with the enzymes every hour. I used kitten turkey feast for the puree. We out some kitten salmon feast down for her and now she’s eating that - without added enzymes. Thank you for reminding me of the side effects of too much enzymes. It’s such a slippery slope.
 
Sorry, been away all morning. From my personal experience that sounds like way, way, way to much enzymes :eek:....I only used 3/4 tsp for 5 cans of FF - so basically a pinch per can. If you're feeding FF sized cans that means you're using 2 1/2 tsp for 3 cans of FF - that's a HUGE difference. And the same thing - the recommended dose (and the label on the RX enzymes) I was told to use was way too high - something like a tsp with every meal if I remember correctly. It reminds me of what I read here and some of the high starting doses or dose increases for insulin.....

Excerpt from Enzyme Diane's website: https://enzymediane.com/
"Most of our clients use the Pancreatin 6x and dose at 1/2-1 teaspoon per cup of food"

A can of Fancy Feast is about 1/4 of a cup

RX enzymes are comparable to Pancreatin 6x
 
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Sorry, been away all morning. From my personal experience that sounds like way, way, way to much enzymes :eek:....I only used 3/4 tsp for 5 cans of FF - so basically a pinch per can. If you're feeding FF sized cans that means you're using 2 1/2 tsp for 3 cans of FF - that's a HUGE difference. And the same thing - the recommended dose (and the label on the RX enzymes) I was told to use was way too high - something like a tsp with every meal if I remember correctly. It reminds me of what I read here and some of the high starting doses or dose increases for insulin.....

Excerpt from Enzyme Diane's website: Enzyme Diane
"Most of our clients use the Pancreatin 6x and dose at 1/2-1 teaspoon per cup of food"

A can of Fancy Feast is about 1/4 of a cup

RX enzymes are comparable to Pancreatin 6x

Oh God - am I killing her? I will puree another can and dilute.
 
@Deb & Wink @Chris & China (GA) @SheKit & JessKat
Question: I just cannot get up hourly to syringe feed Wenchie overnight. I always leave food out for her until 2 hours before she is tested (we did not test or shoot today). I will leave food out with some enzyme powder mixed in - is that unsafe if one of my other cats eats it? There’s no way I can isolate her overnight.

I tagged who I can remember! I’m very sleep deprived!
 
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I don't know the answer on that one.

If your other cats don't need the enzymes, and eat an entire dishful of Wenchie's food, would they have diarrhea or other symptoms? Maybe. Would it cause gastrointestinal issues with your other cats? I don't know. Maybe.

The only article I found in the last few days was from Tufts (Cummings) Vet College. It said there was no benefit to giving a pet digestive enzymes if they did not need them. It did indicate there could be harm if they were given and not needed. No idea over what time frame those harmful effects could occur.

"Moreover, treatment with digestive enzymes isn’t necessarily without some risk as well. Side effects have been reported with digestive enzymes – mainly oral ulceration but also vomiting, diarrhea, and even severe allergic reactions."
https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2017/10/digestive-enzyme-supplements/
 
I don't know the answer on that one.

If your other cats don't need the enzymes, and eat an entire dishful of Wenchie's food, would they have diarrhea or other symptoms? Maybe. Would it cause gastrointestinal issues with your other cats? I don't know. Maybe.

The only article I found in the last few days was from Tufts (Cummings) Vet College. It said there was no benefit to giving a pet digestive enzymes if they did not need them. It did indicate there could be harm if they were given and not needed. No idea over what time frame those harmful effects could occur.

"Moreover, treatment with digestive enzymes isn’t necessarily without some risk as well. Side effects have been reported with digestive enzymes – mainly oral ulceration but also vomiting, diarrhea, and even severe allergic reactions."
https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2017/10/digestive-enzyme-supplements/

I have been googling and googling and cannot find an answer. Unless I spontaneously wake up, I have to get some sleep tonight.

I know without them food won’t be digested. But if I don’t take care of myself I won’t be any good for my animals. My husband has also been up half the night as well. I’m opting to syringe feed her up until my bedtime and then just leave out food in the hopes that the ones already in her stomach will help. i do get up really early so I will begin again once I’m up.

I’m continuing to feed her about every hour and the last two feedings she was swatting me! She hasn’t pooped today and before the enzymes she would eat then immediately (or almost immediately) poop. I want to take that as a good sign. Am I deluded?
 
@Deb & Wink @Chris & China (GA) @SheKit & JessKat
Question: I just cannot get up hourly to syringe feed Wenchie overnight. I always leave food out for her until 2 hours before she is tested (we did not test or shoot today). I will leave food out with some enzyme powder mixed in - is that unsafe if one of my other cats eats it? There’s no way I can isolate her overnight.

I tagged who I can remember! I’m very sleep deprived!

Probably not a good idea & I agree with Deb. Once in a while one of my civies would get in the enzyme food without ill effects BUT I caught them before they ate too much. I never left enzyme food out unattended for too long. I counted on Wes to wake me and I kept a covered bowl of enzyme food on ice on the nightstand and when he wanted to eat he'd wake me.

She needs the enzymes with every meal.
 
@Deb & Wink @Chris & China (GA) @SheKit & JessKat
Question: I just cannot get up hourly to syringe feed Wenchie overnight. I always leave food out for her until 2 hours before she is tested (we did not test or shoot today). I will leave food out with some enzyme powder mixed in - is that unsafe if one of my other cats eats it? There’s no way I can isolate her overnight.

I tagged who I can remember! I’m very sleep deprived!
Is it possible to isolate her while you sleep to keep the other cats away from her food?
 
Is it possible to isolate her while you sleep to keep the other cats away from her food?

Unfortunately no. The way our house is set up - Christopher (severe CH kitty) needs his own room overnight so he can roll into his poop tent (he can’t use a litter box). The second bedroom is the litter box room. Plus, if she were isolated, especially behind a closed door, she would scratch at it all night until someone gets up. She is also peeing outside the box (she’s weak and doesn’t want to climb in the box) so the litter box room is set up so if she should go outside the box, the flooring is protected with wee wee pads, a cheap area rug on top and washable old yoga mats.

My husband said this: I will leave food in a container with her enzymes mixed in. He gets up a few times overnight (not the best sleeper) so he will dish out some food for her and make sure the other cats don’t get in to it.

This is the best we can do unless we think of something else. I can’t put her in the basement -just too cold down there.
 
Probably not a good idea & I agree with Deb. Once in a while one of my civies would get in the enzyme food without ill effects BUT I caught them before they ate too much. I never left enzyme food out unattended for too long. I counted on Wes to wake me and I kept a covered bowl of enzyme food on ice on the nightstand and when he wanted to eat he'd wake me.

She needs the enzymes with every meal.

I will leave a container of her food with enzymes. If she’s hungry, she’ll wake my husband and he said he will get up and feed her. I think this will work! She can’t be put in a room as she will scratch and scratch until someone lets her out. She’s always done that!
 
I've been thinking...and please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong....

From Dr. Pierson's Food Chart: Kitten Tender Turkey Feast - Protein 39%/ Fat 57%/ Carb 3%
Does this mean I multiply the 85 grams (3 oz) per can by Dr. Pierson's Food chart % to come up with: 33 grams of protein/48 grams of fat/2.5 grams of carbs/ per can?

If so, I'm throwing this out there - two brands of RX enzymes I looked up for 'informational purposes' information Viokase-V & Pancrezyme both state:
Each 2.8 grams (1 teaspoonful) contains sufficient pancreatic enzymes to digest 260 g fat, 388 g protein, 460 g starch

If I did the Dr. Pierson Food Chart thing right (or if I didn't we're still only looking at 85 grams of food)
To digest the Kitten Tender Turkey Feast we're looking at roughly 1/8 tsp of enzymes to digest the fat and even less to digest the protein in an 85 gram can.

It makes sense to me, or am I overthinking it???:confused::rolleyes::facepalm:
 
I've been thinking...and please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong....

From Dr. Pierson's Food Chart: Kitten Tender Turkey Feast - Protein 39%/ Fat 57%/ Carb 3%
Does this mean I multiply the 85 grams (3 oz) per can by Dr. Pierson's Food chart % to come up with: 33 grams of protein/48 grams of fat/2.5 grams of carbs/ per can?

If so, I'm throwing this out there - two brands of RX enzymes I looked up for 'informational purposes' information Viokase-V & Pancrezyme both state:
Each 2.8 grams (1 teaspoonful) contains sufficient pancreatic enzymes to digest 260 g fat, 388 g protein, 460 g starch

If I did the Dr. Pierson Food Chart thing right (or if I didn't we're still only looking at 85 grams of food)
To digest the Kitten Tender Turkey Feast we're looking at roughly 1/8 tsp of enzymes to digest the fat and even less to digest the protein in an 85 gram can.

It makes sense to me, or am I overthinking it???:confused::rolleyes::facepalm:

I'm sorry but we had a kind of bad night so I'm not understanding any of this! Wenchie wouldn't eat the enzymes in her food. She refused and howled! I got up and gave her 2 syringes full of enzyme laced food. HOWEVER.....

I'm sitting her on my desktop and I look over at the window and Wenchie is sitting in the window - I take that as a good sign. But she's walking around moaning. Not sure what that's about.
 
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