2/24 Disco Drops, see thread! +11 39/+12 75/+12.5 78/AMPS 105/+1 189/+11 449/PMPS 321

Teri & Disco NoFurNo (GA)

Teri & Disco NoFurNo (GA)

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Bandit's Mom said:
Yes ma'am. Feed the 40s. I presume that applies to any time of the day or night.

P.S. how is it usually you and me when disco does a dive?
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I don’t know but it does seem that way I was hopeful because it was morning there would be other experts awake I haven’t tagged anyone yet but I did just feed him 2 teaspoons of MC to hold me over for 15 minutes although the food doesn’t kick in for 20-30 if I recall right
 
Teri (Disco NoFurNo) said:
I don’t know but it does seem that way I was hopeful because it was morning there would be other experts awake I haven’t tagged anyone yet but I did just feed him 2 teaspoons of MC to hold me over for 15 minutes although the food doesn’t kick in for 30 if I recall right
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you mean "experts" not "other experts" :D
think a teaspoon or 2 of HC at sub-40 rather than MC?

and yes, will take 20-30 mins to bring numbers up. you have honey/karo syrup?
 
AMBG 75 after 2 tsp HC, I am thinking no shoot since he was 38, but need advice, shot due by 8:00am, 15 min from now. I didn't think I would be anxious this time, but I am...
 
So..he gets food/ a meal overnight also? I think in that last post where you had to skip , you mentioned feening snacks with test. Maybe Disco needs something with a bit more carbs...not high carb, but if thst snack is 5%, maybe he needs 10% ....?

Just trying to see where food was in regards to the (186) last night vs the (70)
You are likely too busy to answer food stuff now...just wondering for next time since there is a pattern.


This was the post Wendy had the other day when you skipped, but you started the downward trend a bit higher

Wendy&Neko said:
Disco definitely has a pattern. Which is dropping and often nadiring at or near preshot and keep on dropping as long as Teri is stalling and not feeding. The best thing is to avoid him dropping too low by feeding a snack a couple hours before preshot. It's also OK to shoot a dropping number, provided you are ready for it. Here is an excellent post on the Myths Debunked, Shooting a Dropping Number. I shot dropping numbers all the time because Neko liked to nadir late, often at preshot (sometimes as late as +15). I had enough +1 data to know how much food would bump her up and how to put the brakes on further dropping. Shooting a 56 might be a bit much to ask at first, but definitely higher greens should be doable. And more important, shouldn't need a stall.

The downside to skipping is you don't know if the 38 after a delay was because the dose was too high or because of lack of food. But Teri has to reduce now.
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Si am cat mom said:
So..he gets food/ a meal overnight also? I think in that last post where you had to skip , you mentioned feening snacks with test. Maybe Disco needs something with a bit more carbs...not high carb, but if thst snack is 5%, maybe he needs 10% ....?

Just trying to see where food was in regards to the (186) last night vs the (70)
You are likely too busy to answer food stuff now...just wondering for next time since there is a pattern.


This was the post Wendy had the other day when you skipped, but you started the downward trend a bit higher
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does the shoot below 50 apply when +11 is below 50 and numbers have come up after being fed HC/MC though?
 
Si am cat mom said:
So..he gets food/ a meal overnight also? I think in that last post where you had to skip , you mentioned feening snacks with test. Maybe Disco needs something with a bit more carbs...not high carb, but if thst snack is 5%, maybe he needs 10% ....?

Just trying to see where food was in regards to the (186) last night vs the (70)
You are likely too busy to answer food stuff now...just wondering for next time since there is a pattern.

This was the post Wendy had the other day when you skipped, but you started the downward trend a bit higher
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Yes, and I have been doing the feedings with LC. When I do a spot test, he gets 2 tsp of Sheba Purrfect Portions Pate, up until 2 hrs prior to AMPS and PMPS, sure doesn't see to be workin' for him!
 
Bandit's Mom said:
does the shoot below 50 apply when +11 is below 50 and numbers have come up after being fed HC/MC though?
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That's the really tricky situation. The most conservative course is to just skip, because you can never really be sure with the food influence-- any decisions you . In this case, with Disco's past patterns of nadiring around now and then heading up (most of the time), we might be able to be more aggressive. But let's see where he is on the next couple of tests, see if he's giving us some really strong clues about what he's got planned from here.

Teri (Disco NoFurNo) said:
Yes, and I have been doing the feedings with LC. When I do a spot test, he gets 2 tsp of Sheba Purrfect Portions Pate, up until 2 hrs prior to AMPS and PMPS, sure doesn't see to be workin' for him!
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Yup, seems like you may have to bump things up, either the amount or the carbs (or maybe both!). This kind of food steering takes some experimenting, it really is the case that every cat is different!
 
Nan & Amber (GA) said:
That's the really tricky situation. The most conservative course is to just skip, because you can never really be sure with the food influence-- any decisions you . In this case, with Disco's past patterns of nadiring around now and then heading up (most of the time), we might be able to be more aggressive. But let's see where he is on the next couple of tests, see if he's giving us some really strong clues about what he's got planned from here.

Yup, seems like you may have to bump things up, either the amount or the carbs (or maybe both!). This kind of food steering takes some experimenting, it really is the case that every cat is different!
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I have Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers (HC), Fancy Feast Grilled varieties (MC) and even some Instinct Ultimate Protein kibble (which he doesn't get at all, promise--the other 2 cats get it as a treat while shut in the bathroom and I pick up any stray morsels after they are done.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
@Nan & Amber (GA) @Si am cat mom, what % carbs are LC, MC, HC? i can't seem to find the definitions in the FDMB glossary/dictionary/FAQs.

LC is < 10% carbs
MC is 10-14%
HC is >= 15%

Am I right?
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I need to look at the food charts again to get the %'s correct, but the Sheba Purrfect Portions and Fancy Feast Classics are LC, and his 2 meals a day consist of 2 oz Darwins Raw with a couple of tsp's of Fancy Feast Classics mixed in. He does get psyllium powder and Rx Vitamins for Pet Megaflex (LC) and Missing Link supplement mixed in, but only maybe 1/4 tsp of each.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
does the shoot below 50 apply when +11 is below 50 and numbers have come up after being fed HC/MC though?
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If they are up and hold without more propping up...I would think you can shoot.

That's a tough one for me...I feel like if you aren't shooting for where the numbers are now but where they will be when the insulin onset begins, then won't he be in the low- mid 100s likely at that point...?
I don't know 100% obviously.

I definitely think he needs more carbs around that +6 or /+7 ...
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Teri - Give it to what would be your +1 without food. I'm curiuos to see if the numbers are continuing to head up or if the 75 was a result of the HC. I agree with Nan -- keep testing every 20 - 30 min.
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@Sienne and Gabby (GA) just to understand for the future, if Disco had been <50 at PS, Teri should have skipped the shot? But if he is <50 between +10 and PS, you feed HC to bring him up and then stall to see if he stays up and then give the full dose? Or one cannot generalize and each situation has to be handled differently?

Asking so that if Teri is not able to reach anyone on the board, she (and I ) would know what to do.
 
Si am cat mom said:
If they are up and hold without more propping up...I would think you can shoot.

That's a tough one for me...I feel like if you aren't shooting for where the numbers are now but where they will be when the insulin onset begins, then won't he be in the low- mid 100s likely at that point...?
I don't know 100% obviously.

I definitely think he needs more carbs around that +6 or /+7 ...
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Yes, as this is the 2nd time this has happened even with the extra snacks at appropriate times, I am thinking he needs MC treats now, not LC. At least he clears the bounces within 5 cycles, LOL. A friend was asking me if I was concerned about the effects on organ function and he is due for his senior labs in March, so we'll see.
 
Teri (Disco NoFurNo) said:
+12.5 78 (+12 was 75)
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OK, if he's not acting too hungry, I think hold off a bit longer, no food and test again at +13 (or you could try +12.75). You may be able to shoot today if it seems like he's heading into safe territory.

I am unfortunately going to have to go off the boards for a couple hours, but after that I'll be back. Good luck, whatever you decide to do!
 
I'm just coming on now too...

Looks like you're learning about what foods have which effect on Disco. It's all a learning process...ECID. You'll see the response and will feed accordingly. It takes time to learn about Disco's response and you're the best one to observe that response.

Making notes in your comments column will help you remember his response to certain foods and everyone else to see the same.

Hang in there...you're doing great and you've got some great support/advice above. :)
 
Nan & Amber (GA) said:
OK, if he's not acting too hungry, I think hold off a bit longer, no food and test again at +13 (or you could try +12.75). You may be able to shoot today if it seems like he's heading into safe territory.

I am unfortunately going to have to go off the boards for a couple hours, but after that I'll be back. Good luck, whatever you decide to do!
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He is doing his usual routine when I stall--yells for food for about 20 minutes and then curls up in his heated bed and naps, but I wouldn't say subdued or lethargic at all--he comes to life when I test him
 
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So, that's 2 test/ BG numbers without food given - he last ate @ +11.75/+12 ...?

Watching to see what you decide/ what's advised...
 
I am going to test again in 10 minutes (9:00am Pacific Standard time) and if higher, going to shoot even though late, and as I have not shot a green before, if his numbers start going down, do I feed HC again or usual snack of LC or do I need to give Karo?
 
Teri (Disco NoFurNo) said:
I am going to test again in 10 minutes (9:00am Pacific Standard time) and if higher, going to shoot even though late, and as I have not shot a green before, if his numbers start going down, do I feed HC again or usual snack of LC or do I need to give Karo?
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Hope you wouldn't need caro - paws crossed. LC should be fine to hold definitely depends on the numbers.

Not sure who is still around...?
I can't advise you to shoot since I'm newer also and can't stay with you all day. I just wanted to know how you could use the information you have ( BG data etc.) to navigate these instances...like what options you'd have, and what number are you really shooting when you stall / feed and stall.
You have to do what you are comfortable with
 
Sounds good to me. Check a +1, +2 ....
Remember, that HC will wear off by +2 - so has some of the insulin likely.
I think you've got this and can keep him safe !
If you need to feed to prevent a dive....usually
50s- LC
40s- MC
30s- HC

I'm sure folks will be back thru to check on your progress
 
Teri (Disco NoFurNo) said:
+13 is 105, I'm going ahead and shooting and feeding his regular meal, so new territory for me and Disco, and don't want to skip again (which I have done before-LOL) @Nan & Amber (GA)
@Sienne and Gabby (GA)
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Just thought about your reduction level. Not sure if you are talking reductions at 50 each time. I'd ask about reducing tonight and see if trying to shoot these numbers is ideal ( more greens/ shoot low; stay low) or if Disco is asking for reductions to maybe get more shootable numbers/ less skips ?

( if that question makes any sense...:confused: Sorry. I'm tired)
 
Si am cat mom said:
Just thought about your reduction level. Not sure if you are talking reductions at 50 each time. I'd ask about reducing tonight and see if trying to shoot these numbers is ideal ( more greens/ shoot low; stay low) or if Disco is asking for reductions to maybe get more shootable numbers/ less skips ?

( if that question makes any sense...:confused: Sorry. I'm tired)
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Yes, makes sense. So far this is the first time I haven't skipped a below 50, so of course have reduced due to the skip, so good question as I just shot him.
 
Ok. probably started the bounce from those lows. or could be a food bump. i think you can test in 1 hour intervals now. give his ears/paw pads and yourself a break.

i'm going to hit the sack in a bit.
 
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