2/13 Jonesy AMPS 247=1.25;+2=270 ;+12 40 +1.5=72;+2=97; 2.5-95 SHOT 1.U; +1.5 post shot 110

[Wendy&Neko]

What is important tonight is calories, not necessarily carbs. But if it takes high carb food to get the calories, so be it.

Good summary on the food, looks like the original food took him up some, but then he started rising some more on his own. Been 1/2 hour since that 72, or almost two hours since he ate. Can you test again? If up again, I think you are good to shoot.

 

[Olive & Paula]

Glad to see Wendy. I was concerned over that much reduction also. Might also think about giving medium carbs so you can give the 1 u.

What ketone meter are you using?

@Wendy&Neko FYI. Ollie on the move again.

 

[Nan & Amber (GA)]

OK, consensus seems to be to go for the higher dose due to ketones (pending the next test).

I'm going to have to log off for the night soon, seems like things are in hand. Hopefully by tomorrow, either the ketone meter will start behaving, or Jonesy will give you a nice sample for the urine sticks , and he'll have tamped down this little flare.

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

I'll reply to your questions in a second, but I just managed to get another ketone STRIP test. That meter is a piece of garbage . . .grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Anyway! Today's strip is EXACTLY on the "trace" colour, not even between "trace and small"! That's good news, yes???!!!

He's also at 97 right now, and chasing a ball LOL

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

Glad to see Wendy. I was concerned over that much reduction also. Might also think about giving medium carbs so you can give the 1 u.

What ketone meter are you using?

@Wendy&Neko FYI. Ollie on the move again.

Bayer Contour Next, thank GOD I've got lots of strips

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

What is important tonight is calories, not necessarily carbs. But if it takes high carb food to get the calories, so be it.

Good summary on the food, looks like the original food took him up some, but then he started rising some more on his own. Been 1/2 hour since that 72, or almost two hours since he ate. Can you test again? If up again, I think you are good to shoot.

He's at 97 right now, go with 1 unit? And keep him eating? (That shouldn't be a challenge . . . )

 

[Olive & Paula]

Ketone meter, which one

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

Ketone meter, which one

OMG . . . I'm sorry, KETONE meter Freestyle Precision Neo

But I had better luck within the last 10 minutes getting a good clean urine sample so I used the Ketostix. This time the strip showed "trace" only, not even between "trace and small".

Is it possible the sub-q fluids I gave him this morning helped to bring them down some???

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

So, new problem! If I shoot one unit now (9:00 pm here) I MUST leave the house tomorrow morning at 8:30 at the very, very latest.

WHAT NOW??? How would I shoot in the morning without falling back a full 30 minutes? And not being able to test at ALL for 9 1/2 hours?? @Wendy&Neko ? @Olive & Paula ?

 

[Wendy&Neko]

You can shoot 11.5 hours afterwards if he is high enough.

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

You can shoot 11.5 hours afterwards if he is high enough.

Thank you Wendy, I'm so sorry to have taken up everyone's evening I'll shoot 1u right now. Will ensure he keeps eating well and will continue to test.

Thanks again

 

[Wendy&Neko]

Thank goodness for the ketostix result!

 

[Olive & Paula]

Glad ketones are okay.

 

[Mimis mom]

Have you considered a blood ketone meter? We never even tried the urine strips as we don't really have time to chase FA around all day to try and get a sample. The test strips are a little expensive but I think it's worth it for the convenience.

Only thing I’ll add is the Nova Max ketone meter needs a lot more blood than glucose meters. It’s like .8 as opposed to .3 or .5

 

[Mimis mom]

OMG . . . I'm sorry, KETONE meter Freestyle Precision Neo

But I had better luck within the last 10 minutes getting a good clean urine sample so I used the Ketostix. This time the strip showed "trace" only, not even between "trace and small".

Is it possible the sub-q fluids I gave him this morning helped to bring them down some???

I have trouble with the ketone strips because the colors can look similar (I never know it’s zero or trace) but I guess small would be more obvious on the strip.

 

[Olive & Paula]

Only thing I’ll add is the Nova Max ketone meter needs a lot more blood than glucose meters. It’s like .8 as opposed to .3 or .5

Nova Max is 0.3 drop size

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

I was kinda desperate and had called around to a number of pharmacies. Once I found one that even *knew* what I was talking about, I said PUT IT ON HOLD, I'LL BUY IT!

On the plus side, the actual meter was only something like $8! (I suspect it may have been priced wrong, but that's what was in their system!) But I made up for that in buying TWO boxes of strips. So $50 later, 1 good test (I think??) and 4 wasted tests . . . pffffff, I'll stick to shoving the measuring cup under his butt

 

[Sandy and Black Kitty]

Wow, that was an interesting cycle-what an evening you have had!

Is it possible the sub-q fluids I gave him this morning helped to bring them down some??

yes it is possible that the sub-qs helped reduce the ketones. That’s why adding water to the food is recommended. Hydration is very important when battling ketones.

I’m wondering if the sub-qs played a role in bringing his BG down. How did you happen to have some on hand?

I myself don’t have experience with sub-qs but. many folks here do. Hopefully someone will chime in.

Yes, there are a couple of ER vets in the city, but I'm not going to sugar coat things, I can't handle another $2000 bill. I can't That was only a month ago, and my other cat cost me about $1000 a few weeks ago. This will break me. I'd have to put him down . . . Jesus, I can't even think right now

I was in the exact same boat with BK It was late May 2008, 4 months after dx, that we ended up at the ER - diagnosis DKA. He was hospitalized for a couple days. About 1month later, within an exactly 24 hour period his ketones went from negative to large. He was down to 7 lbs and change.

Our checkbook hadn’t recovered from the previous episode. There was no way we could afford another hospitalization. The folks in Lantus Land (this was pre Levemir, and balsagar) encouraged me to take him to another vet (the vet that diagnosed him as well as the local ER doc recommended the pink shot). A member who lived about 30 miles from me recommended a specialist, made the appointment and met me there. He required hospitalization once again. When the day came for me to bring him home upon check out I discovered half the bill had been paid by the generosity of some members here back then. He lived another 8 years, with the last 6.5 of those years were insulin free

hang in there and hang in here. There’s no better place for a diabetic cat to be

 

[Sandy and Black Kitty]

Housekeeping note-

It looks like you shot 2.5 hours late, which is AM +14.5. We always count hours since the last shot.

Example of documenting a stall (or several) on the ss:

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

Housekeeping note-

It looks like you shot 2.5 hours late, which is AM +14.5. We always count hours since the last shot.

Example of documenting a stall (or several) on the ss:
View attachment 51248

My spread sheet is a jumbled mess. I know it. I'll try my best to fix it

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

Wow, that was an interesting cycle-what an evening you have had!

yes it is possible that the sub-qs helped reduce the ketones. That’s why adding water to the food is recommended. Hydration is very important when battling ketones.

I’m wondering if the sub-qs played a role in bringing his BG down. How did you happen to have some on hand?

I myself don’t have experience with sub-qs but. many folks here do. Hopefully someone will chime in.
I was in the exact same boat with BK It was late May 2008, 4 months after dx, that we ended up at the ER - diagnosis DKA. He was hospitalized for a couple days. About 1month later, within an exactly 24 hour period his ketones went from negative to large. He was down to 7 lbs and change.

Our checkbook hadn’t recovered from the previous episode. There was no way we could afford another hospitalization. The folks in Lantus Land (this was pre Levemir, and balsagar) encouraged me to take him to another vet (the vet that diagnosed him as well as the local ER doc recommended the pink shot). A member who lived about 30 miles from me recommended a specialist, made the appointment and met me there. He required hospitalization once again. When the day came for me to bring him home upon check out I discovered half the bill had been paid by the generosity of some members here back then. He lived another 8 years, with the last 6.5 of those years were insulin free

hang in there and hang in here. There’s no better place for a diabetic cat to be

Thank you, but I already know, I can't do it. I know that sounds harsh when written down, but I can't express all what I'm going through in my life at this time. I haven't the time, finances or the energy. I'm doing my best :'(

 

[Christie & Maverick]

How are you doing this morning, Darcy? I'm sorry I dropped off last, I had company over for dinner and poked my nose in a few times and saw that you were getting helped by others so I didn't post again. Hope Jonesy is feeling better today as well.

 

[Darcy and Jonesy]

How are you doing this morning, Darcy? I'm sorry I dropped off last, I had company over for dinner and poked my nose in a few times and saw that you were getting helped by others so I didn't post again. Hope Jonesy is feeling better today as well.

Thank you Christie! Noooo worries at all. I had many people holding my hand. I'm just about to do up today's post. He's up in the pinks again