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? Mimi 102 @ +12.5/AMPS, surfing in lagoon until +10 247. PMPS REDUCIE 246

she's really hungry. Its been 4 hours since she's eaten. I have a doctors appointment and have to leave at 11:15 (in one hour...)
 
Mimis mom said:
she's really hungry. Its been 4 hours since she's eaten. I have a doctors appointment and have to leave at 11:15 (in one hour...)
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She appears to be flat, I think you should be OK to shoot.
Will you be back later after your doc appointment? If so how many hours.
 
Gill & George said:
She appears to be flat, I think you should be OK to shoot.
Will you be back later after your doc appointment? If so how many hours.
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well I can test her again in 30, and once before I leave to see if she keeps dropping, but shell probably have a food spike right?
I should be back in 2 hours at the most. I can leave her some HC food (which will make MC if I mix with her raw- but I will have to get some MC- just deciding which brand I want to go with)
 
Mimis mom said:
well I can test her again in 30, and once before I leave to see if she keeps dropping, but shell probably have a food spike right?
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Test feed shoot now, (provided she's not dropped below 50)
test at +1

and leave food out, the +1 should give you some idea what sort of carbs you should leave out to keep her safe while you get to your appointment
 
she just inhaled her food and stole half of Batmans too- and I just shot her in between the shoulder blades - because I read that can delay the absorption a little bit right?
 
Gill & George said:
Test feed shoot now, (provided she's not dropped below 50)
test at +1

and leave food out, the +1 should give you some idea what sort of carbs you should leave out to keep her safe while you get to your appointment
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Tested about 10 minutes ago so I guess it was about 15 minutes later I shot her.
 
Mimis mom said:
she just inhaled her food and stole half of Batmans too- and I just shot her in between the shoulder blades - because I read that can delay the absorption a little bit right?
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That's what they say, glad she's hungry and got a good meal. Poor Batman.


Mimis mom said:
Tested about 10 minutes ago so I guess it was about 15 minutes later I shot her.
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So that was the 102 you got at +12.5 so shot is delayed by 45 min today.

Grab a test just before you head out the door.

If her numbers are dropping give her some food that is higher in carbs than her usual. and leave a snack out for her while you are on your appointment again higher in carb than her usual food, so she has access to something at +2 and at +3 (just in case you get delayed at your appointment)
 
ketones say trace. that was the urine test though- They kind of always say trace on that test.. the blood ones always say like .3, which I read is ok? is it possible to always have a small trace of ketones in our system - maybe because she was starving from not eating for 4 hours? Also when I think about the Atkins diet- the lower the carb the more ketones are released so I wonder what that means for diabetics.. this disease has so many layers
 
Mimis mom said:
ketones say trace. that was the urine test though- They kind of always say trace on that test.. the blood ones always say like .3, which I read is ok? is it possible to always have a small trace of ketones in our system - maybe because she was starving from not eating for 4 hours? Also when I think about the Atkins diet- the lower the carb the more ketones are released so I wonder what that means for diabetics.. this disease has so many layers
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I think if you it can look trace depending on the light and if you wait a bit longer than it says on the strip.

Cat's metabolism is different to humans, they are obligate carnivores and don't handle carbs well, so I'm not sure how that would compare to Atkins.
 
69 at +3 gave some more FF GL with a bit of raw...I need to get some MC but I also want her to continue on raw not cooked or byproducts..
 
Sue and Luci said:
Mimi looks good in the lagoon! Great job this morning shooting low. Shoot low to stay low. :D:D
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she's 71 @ +4 now. this is a good thing? or will it keep dropping? should I feed her something again?
also, should I have shot her at the first number at +12 and not waited almost an hour to shoot her the AM dose?
 
Mimis mom said:
she's 71 @ +4 now. this is a good thing? or will it keep dropping? should I feed her something again?
also, should I have shot her at the first number at +12 and not waited almost an hour to shoot her the AM dose?
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I don't know if she'll keep dropping or not - but I usually feed Luci some LC every time she gets a test if she's acting hungry. It sounded like Mimi was really starving this morning and I was wondering why she's so hungry? Are you trying to get her to lose weight?

That was a perfectly safe number to shoot - the question is always the same - will you be around to monitor? Can you count on her to eat if needed. Sometimes people with finicky cats - they don't want to eat anything - combined with lower numbers can bring on a morning of fighting a hypo. I think Mimi is looking great on this dose...she's working it perfectly. She should go down until she reaches nadir - which looks like sometimes is +6...so keep checking her and feeding her. If she drops too low, bring out the medium carb and re-test - don't want her dropping too low...she'll get the hang of this surfing thing. She looks like a smart girl to me! You're doing a great job mama! :D
 
Sue and Luci said:
I don't know if she'll keep dropping or not - but I usually feed Luci some LC every time she gets a test if she's acting hungry. It sounded like Mimi was really starving this morning and I was wondering why she's so hungry? Are you trying to get her to lose weight?

That was a perfectly safe number to shoot - the question is always the same - will you be around to monitor? Can you count on her to eat if needed. Sometimes people with finicky cats - they don't want to eat anything - combined with lower numbers can bring on a morning of fighting a hypo. I think Mimi is looking great on this dose...she's working it perfectly. She should go down until she reaches nadir - which looks like sometimes is +6...so keep checking her and feeding her. If she drops too low, bring out the medium carb and re-test - don't want her dropping too low...she'll get the hang of this surfing thing. She looks like a smart girl to me! You're doing a great job mama! :D
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I am not trying to get her to lose weight but I do know she's starving when her numbers are low. I know Im starving when my BS drops. I think Im feeding her enough?
She's a very smart girl! So is surfing in the lagoon a goal we want to reach or are blue numbers better? Ill give her some more LC food. I feed her every 3-4 hours is that not enough you think?
 
dropped at +5.. 43. just fed her a tsp of HC. (well fancy feast gravy lovers is 15%- should I get a higher one than that like a 20% and above?)
 
I'd have the 20% handy, but let's see where she is at the next test at +5.5.

Up now, Mimi, you were having so much fun paddling around in the safe greens!
 
Nan & Amber (GA) said:
I'd have the 20% handy, but let's see where she is at the next test at +5.5.

Up now, Mimi, you were having so much fun paddling around in the safe greens!
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What number is too low to worry about. Like if she’s in the dark greens should I still feed her MC or LC- let her surf.
 
Mimis mom said:
So 15 % is more medium carb then.
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Right. Since you'd already fed that, I didn't see a need to add more of the higher carb on top of it until we knew where Mimi was planning to go. While 43 is low in itself, you're almost at the second half of the cycle where she'll likely start going up on her own, so we have that working in our favor.

Mimis mom said:
What number is too low to worry about. Like if she’s in the dark greens should I still feed her MC or LC- let her surf.
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It depends a little on the details... Often, when they hit greens early in the cycle, we'll try feeding some LC snacks to see if it helps them maintain the surf safely. It's usually not helpful to do that later in the cycle, though-- it can have the effect of shortening the duration of the insulin.

The other time you might want to feed some LC or even MC early on is if she's dropping rapidly, even if she hasn't actually hit even the dark greens yet. Sometimes that can help slow them down, and turn what would be a quick dip into the lime greens and an immediate bounce back up into a more gentle slide into good numbers.

Some of this, of course, also depends on the cat. The notes you are keeping on your spreadsheet, especially about what carbs you're feeding when, will be really helpful to you when you look back on them :).
 
Mimis mom said:
What number is too low to worry about. Like if she’s in the dark greens should I still feed her MC or LC- let her surf.
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Below 50 is your take action number, bring out the HC, you mustn't get complacent. The only exception to that is if she gave you a number in the 40's at PS, take a look at Moeys Condo and you can see what we did there this morning.http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...s-49-56-1-61-2-78-3-pics.221881/#post-2479664

You might feed HC or MC at other times, like today for example, she wasn't in a danger zone, but she was clearing a bounce, she was lowish at amps, and she didn;t get food bump at +1 (all this indicated an active cycle, and you knew that you had to be away for a couple of hours.
Had you been staying at home you could have seen if she would have surfed for you with just her raw, so we erred on the side of caution and gave her some higher carbs than she usually gets.


Dark greens are good, numbers, on TR you are aiming to have her spend as much time in normal numbers as possible. That's between 50-80, that drop into the 40's today earned Mimi a reduction, down to 0.75u.

She looks to be rising nicely with the HC get a test at +6 just to be sure she doesn't drop back, and take it from there.
 
Gill & George said:
Below 50 is your take action number, bring out the HC, you mustn't get complacent. The only exception to that is if she gave you a number in the 40's at PS, take a look at Moeys Condo and you can see what we did there this morning.http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...s-49-56-1-61-2-78-3-pics.221881/#post-2479664

You might feed HC or MC at other times, like today for example, she wasn't in a danger zone, but she was clearing a bounce, she was lowish at amps, and she didn;t get food bump at +1 (all this indicated an active cycle, and you knew that you had to be away for a couple of hours.
Had you been staying at home you could have seen if she would have surfed for you with just her raw, so we erred on the side of caution and gave her some higher carbs than she usually gets.


Dark greens are good, numbers, on TR you are aiming to have her spend as much time in normal numbers as possible. That's between 50-80, that drop into the 40's today earned Mimi a reduction, down to 0.75u.

She looks to be rising nicely with the HC get a test at +6 just to be sure she doesn't drop back, and take it from there.
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A reduction again? Could she be going into remission? Or are these signs?
 
Mimis mom said:
I do know she's starving when her numbers are low. I know Im starving when my BS drops. I think Im feeding her enough?
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Just to come back to your question from earlier - I think you should feed her a little more. If she's hungry and wanting more food, unless she has a weight issue, add another dab of her LC to her bowl. I'm not a big supporter of allowing cats to go hungry - except for the 2 hours prior to AM and PM pre-shot as you don't want those to be food influenced. Other than that let her have some extra food. I free feed Luci until 2 hours prior to AM/PM pre-shots - otherwise she has food down - she's a bit of a grazer and likes to go back and eat a little after the initial offering...and again and again...often it'll take her several hours to empty her dish completely.
 
Mimis mom said:
A reduction again? Could she be going into remission? Or are these signs?
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It's really too soon to say...since this is her first day in a while with some greens. It could be that the depot is finally full on this dose and she needs to surf it. You need to help her surf by feeding/testing her. Don't let her drop below 50 if you can help it (by feeding and monitoring her numbers frequently). Getting a reduction now may only send her back into higher numbers. Steering with food is the answer to her not losing the dose that appears to be finally working for her.
 
Sue and Luci said:
It's really too soon to say...since this is her first day in a while with some greens. It could be that the depot is finally full on this dose and she needs to surf it. You need to help her surf by feeding/testing her. Don't let her drop below 50 if you can help it (by feeding and monitoring her numbers frequently). Getting a reduction now may only send her back into higher numbers. Steering with food is the answer to her not losing the dose that appears to be finally working for her.
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So should I stick with 1 unit and see what happens or is she just going to bounce again.
 
Yes, I would. She may very well bounce because she hit those low numbers today..and her liver is going to dump a whole lot of stored up sugars into her blood stream in response to what it 'thinks' is a sugar emergency. Just ride it out and allow her to come back down. The insulin is supporting her non-working pancreas. She needs it to stay on track toward lower numbers and absorb the nutrients from her foods. Feed her when/if she seems hungry - sometimes extra hunger is an indicator of dropping numbers - watch for that behavior and falling numbers. If you need to put it in your notes so when it happens again it'll be good for you to recall that sure enough, her appetite was increased and her numbers were dropping.

Just like you - when your BG's are lower or falling, you want to eat something - so does she. I wouldn't change anything about her dose, unless she gets away from you and drops below 40 - which is an automatic reduction - which you can avoid by feeding/monitoring so she gets the most mileage from this dose.
 
Gill & George said:
Below 50 is your take action number, bring out the HC, you mustn't get complacent. The only exception to that is if she gave you a number in the 40's at PS, take a look at Moeys Condo and you can see what we did there this morning.http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...s-49-56-1-61-2-78-3-pics.221881/#post-2479664

You might feed HC or MC at other times, like today for example, she wasn't in a danger zone, but she was clearing a bounce, she was lowish at amps, and she didn;t get food bump at +1 (all this indicated an active cycle, and you knew that you had to be away for a couple of hours.
Had you been staying at home you could have seen if she would have surfed for you with just her raw, so we erred on the side of caution and gave her some higher carbs than she usually gets.


Dark greens are good, numbers, on TR you are aiming to have her spend as much time in normal numbers as possible. That's between 50-80, that drop into the 40's today earned Mimi a reduction, down to 0.75u.

She looks to be rising nicely with the HC get a test at +6 just to be sure she doesn't drop back, and take it from there.
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She dropped a little bit at +6... should I be concerned? I just fed her some freeze dried raw niblets.. (the company said its exactly the same as their frozen with ingredients just freeze dried)
 
76 and 84 are about the same, so no no concern.

It's now been an hour since the HC.

After 2 hours the HC will be out of her system, so we need to check that she can sustain herself in these nice numbers once that has worn off. In some cases they can drop again.

So since you gave her a little snack of LC treats, leave her be, test at +7.

You are looking for her to still be in the dark green and not dropping, if you find she is surfing, you can give her a teaspoon or two of her normal food to keep her surfing those dark greens.

If she is dropping again (below 50) then more HC.
 
Rosa, it's really late for me, I'm heading to bed, I have an appointment tomorrow, and a long drive to get to it, so I can't stay up any later.
Hopefully you have got that +7 and she is just in nice dark greens holding steady.

If she is not, you may need to feed her some more HC if she drops below 50 again, post for help if she's gone low again.


Remember She earned a reduction so tonights shot is 0.75u
 
Rosa, it is really important when people are helping you that you stay in contact with them.
Not knowing what is happening and being unable to contact the CG is very frustrating and worrying for the helper/s who may also be staying up late helping you.

Please read @Gill & George post immediately above this one re the reduction in dose.

I just looked at the SS and you got a 106 @+7.65.
 
Mimi, are you still around?

I won't be up much longer myself - but I'd like to know if Mimi's numbers are coming up for her PM pre-shot and injection. Can you please update soon?
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Rosa, it is really important when people are helping you that you stay in contact with them.
Not knowing what is happening and being unable to contact the CG is very frustrating and worrying for the helper/s who may also be staying up late helping you.

Please read @Gill & George post immediately above this one re the reduction in dose.

I just looked at the SS and you got a 106 @+7.65.
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I’m really sorry I shut my eyes for a second and passed out. I didn’t think I would fall asleep.
 
Sue and Luci said:
Mimi, are you still around?

I won't be up much longer myself - but I'd like to know if Mimi's numbers are coming up for her PM pre-shot and injection. Can you please update soon?
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Hi- so she came up at +7.65 and I haven’t tested since. Let me see how she is now.
 
Sue and Luci said:
You must be exhausted :(

I'm just about to wrap it up myself. I get up at 5ish for work and that's way too soon...
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Ya sorry I really am- I passed out waiting for her +7... she also was laying on me and purring which always puts me to sleep. I have a lot of sleep issues and can fall asleep or need to sleep a lot during the day (if it’s my day off and I’m home)
 
Mimis mom said:
Ya sorry I really am- I passed out waiting for her +7... she also was laying on me and purring which always puts me to sleep. I have a lot of sleep issues and can fall asleep or need to sleep a lot during the day (if it’s my day off and I’m home)
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Sorry to hear that! I too need to get some sleep now. Hopefully if needed, @Bron and Sheba (GA) will be available to help you later this evening if necessary. I suspect that there will be a bounce into higher numbers this evening as Mimi went really low today...and her body isn't used to that and will respond with some higher numbers.

Have a good night :)
 
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