CBD oil for pain?
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Tomlin
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It is very helpful! I just did a consult with a holistic vet out of Boulder & then a vet I have worked with from Cornell Feline Hospital told me to look at Ellevet. It is currently the only one with actual clinical studies. They have & are currently working with Cornell as well as UF on additional research. They have liquid form & provide capsules to put it in if your cat doesn’t like the taste. Pre filled capsules should be available through the company by the end of this year or hopefully early next year. The holistic vet out of Boulder, CO has their own product, but endorsed Ellevet as well 
. I will attach the link for Ellevet. Both products are organic & from plants farmed on land that was not previously used for other plants that required fertilizer etc.. This is extremely important because the hemp plant will actually clean the soil & the chemicals will end up in the product 
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https://www.ellevetsciences.com/product/feline-oil/
. I will attach the link for Ellevet. Both products are organic & from plants farmed on land that was not previously used for other plants that required fertilizer etc.. This is extremely important because the hemp plant will actually clean the soil & the chemicals will end up in the product .https://www.ellevetsciences.com/product/feline-oil/
Sylvie
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It is very helpful! I just did a consult with a holistic vet out of Boulder & then a vet I have worked with from Cornell Feline Hospital told me to look at Ellevet. It is currently the only one with actual clinical studies. They have & are currently working with Cornell as well as UF on additional research. They have liquid form & provide capsules to put it in if your cat doesn’t like the taste. Pre filled capsules should be available through the company by the end of this year or hopefully early next year. The holistic vet out of Boulder, CO has their own product, but endorsed Ellevet as well
https://www.ellevetsciences.com/product/feline-oil/
liquid is best, the cbd in the capsule will mostly get wasted since only a portion will end up being absorbed into the blood stream (digestive and liver will reduce its potency greatly). if use capsules, you will need a higher MG dose to get the same benefit you would get at a much lower dose with liquid form..when taking by mouth, the cbd is mostly all absorbed into the blood stream IF you put the 2-5 drops (depending on cbd strength) unto the side of their gums to be mostly absorbed before they swallow. like with us humans, we hold it under our tongues for up to a minute for a much faster absorbent rate which in turn takes like 15-20 mins to feel the affects instead of hours.. i use thecbdistillery brand which i like better and cat tolerates and most reputable brands are safety conscious like ellevet sounds to be but, a good cbd full spectrum for pets is no different than a full spectrum cbd for humans from the same company, they are all the same in the end, only thing that makes cbd different is how a brand grows/filters/etc theirs so spending more on a cbd branded just for pets is just a waste of money IMO.
Sylvie
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i gave 10mg of cbd at first for about a month or so i think it was, along with a daily hartz joint chew and now give 5mg cbd and the chew since no more limping. adding green lipid mussel will help speed up the process if your cat can tolerate the mussel.
The cbd will take time to build up and lower the inflammation of arthritis, so pain will not be helped right away. it takes about a month to really notice a total difference (least in this human it did, cat was about 3-4 wks when i noticed him being more active again). if your cat’s pain is very bad, you may want to get a vet prescription for the bad days until the cbd starts preventing the pain itself (non-medical cbd is really more of a inflammation reducer/pain preventive than a get rid of pain now thing).
Tomlin
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Just a note....ECID and there is no way my cat would allow me to put CBD oil in his mouth & he certainly would not go near his food with it on it.. The smell alone is quite woodsy. You can try it & see what your cat does though. Ellevet does clinical studies to determine dosing etc & neither they nor the vet out of CO said the capsule changes anything with respect to it being less absorbed, wasted. None of these contacts was out for money. If that were the case, Ellevet certainly would not do any clinical studies because that costs a lot of money. It’s cheaper to just sell the product. The vet office in Boulder (Boulder Holistic Vet), the vet from Cornell Feline Hospital & the tech at Ellevet were all extremely knowledgeable & helpful with respect to the use of their products in cats. It was especially helpful because CBD oil can actually cause some cats to have stomach upset, so the formulation specifically for cats, as well as the dosing expertise (it is based on a cats weight—start low & then get the lowest effective dose) was priceless. I certainly didn’t want to experiment & end up with another problem.
. Ellevet does clinical studies to determine dosing etc & neither they nor the vet out of CO said the capsule changes anything with respect to it being less absorbed, wasted. None of these contacts was out for money. If that were the case, Ellevet certainly would not do any clinical studies because that costs a lot of money. It’s cheaper to just sell the product. The vet office in Boulder (Boulder Holistic Vet), the vet from Cornell Feline Hospital & the tech at Ellevet were all extremely knowledgeable & helpful with respect to the use of their products in cats. It was especially helpful because CBD oil can actually cause some cats to have stomach upset, so the formulation specifically for cats, as well as the dosing expertise (it is based on a cats weight—start low & then get the lowest effective dose) was priceless. I certainly didn’t want to experiment & end up with another problem.
Sylvie
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TSP - there are full spectrum cbd with barely any hemp smell and barely a taste, you can get the ones mixed with mct oil for that instead of ones mixed with hemp oil. either-way taste still varies by brand overall for it depends on the method a maker extracts the cbd from the plants and how much they filter it afterwards (brands that use ethanol, are disgusting tasting). i’ve had a cbd that was filtered and clean so well that i questioned it not being isolate based (pure form of cbd) but, it was indeed a legit ‘full spectrum; cbd.. thoughtcloud is that one, i use it with my skittish rescued dog for anxiety since she requires a larger amount that she can taste before i get the full dose on her gums, no issues with this almost tasteless one..it works well.
nothing personal against those you mentioned, sure they are knowledgable to a point but, fact is cbd absorption rates through different means have been researched/studied way before all these pet companies (and human cbd brands as well for that matter) got into the current cbd trend. other than maybe studies on how a cat may react/etc side effect wise, oral absorption ways works the same for humans, cats and dogs..and the starting doses of 2.5mg (up to 5mg afterwards if cat needs stronger dose) per 5lbs was common knowledge way before these pet companies came around. those you mentioned may not of said anything but, it is a fact that cbd capsules indeed reduce the overall amount & rate of absorption just like when you take vitamins/ect, you do not absorb all of it.
oh if a cat is not a super scaredy cat and doesn’t dart from you when you simply touch them, you can indeed put a couple drops on their gums. i do so when mine is laying down sleeping, i just gently spread his lips a little and squeeze the drops on his gum before he even knows what hit him. a dropper with measurements on them with .25 on it is the 10mg dose amount when you use a 750mg cbd labeled oil so it makes it easy to squeeze the very small amount of cbd drops out all at once for cats if doing one drop at a time is an issue..
nothing personal against those you mentioned, sure they are knowledgable to a point but, fact is cbd absorption rates through different means have been researched/studied way before all these pet companies (and human cbd brands as well for that matter) got into the current cbd trend. other than maybe studies on how a cat may react/etc side effect wise, oral absorption ways works the same for humans, cats and dogs..and the starting doses of 2.5mg (up to 5mg afterwards if cat needs stronger dose) per 5lbs was common knowledge way before these pet companies came around. those you mentioned may not of said anything but, it is a fact that cbd capsules indeed reduce the overall amount & rate of absorption just like when you take vitamins/ect, you do not absorb all of it.
oh if a cat is not a super scaredy cat and doesn’t dart from you when you simply touch them, you can indeed put a couple drops on their gums. i do so when mine is laying down sleeping, i just gently spread his lips a little and squeeze the drops on his gum before he even knows what hit him. a dropper with measurements on them with .25 on it is the 10mg dose amount when you use a 750mg cbd labeled oil so it makes it easy to squeeze the very small amount of cbd drops out all at once for cats if doing one drop at a time is an issue..
Sudio3
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Thank you so much. I did not know that about the hemp cleaning up the chemicals in the soil and then being in the product! Thank you for the link and the info.It is very helpful! I just did a consult with a holistic vet out of Boulder & then a vet I have worked with from Cornell Feline Hospital told me to look at Ellevet. It is currently the only one with actual clinical studies. They have & are currently working with Cornell as well as UF on additional research. They have liquid form & provide capsules to put it in if your cat doesn’t like the taste. Pre filled capsules should be available through the company by the end of this year or hopefully early next year. The holistic vet out of Boulder, CO has their own product, but endorsed Ellevet as well
https://www.ellevetsciences.com/product/feline-oil/
Sudio3
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Thank you for this information very helpful. I will try the hartz joint chew and the green lipid mussel as well although he's tough when it comes to eating these kinds of things. I hope I have the same outcome you did! We just started him on Adequan and we may need to start him on insulin again which I was hoping to avoid but his sugar has been in the low 300's. He also most likely has pancreatitis and IBD. I just want him to feel better!
Tomlin
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I hope they help as well! I am using the CBD oil & then I have added Grizzly Joint Aid Hip & Joint Support (glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, Hyaluronic Acid, Krill Oil). I decided to try the Grizzly's Joint Aid instead of the Dasuquin, but will be speaking with an orthopedic specialist in the upcoming months to determine which is best. My T, who has DM, has chronic pancreatitis & most likely some underlying IBD. After many attempts of stopping the steroid at different points since diagnosis & it resulting in vomiting, nausea, lethargy (most recently attempt after diagnosis of DM this past May), we have accepted that he will need the steroid & the insulin to be comfortable, healthy & happy. Like you, & especially after this last attempt at d/c of the Prednisolone resulting in him crashing & taking months to get him back to normal, we just want him to feel good & have the best quality of life as possible
Sudio3
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Thank you both for such good information. So much to learn and I appreciate the help! I already ended up ordering the CBD oil tincture veterinary strength from Hemp Health 550mg 1 oz. I did this before I got your responses! I'm glad to have your information however for the next time I order. Again so much to learn. I was told to give 1 drop in his food? I'll try dropping right onto his gums as well
That is so great to hear!
Sudio3
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I will add the Grizzly Joint Aid Hip & Joint Support on my list of things to try! Could you let me know what DM stands for? Thank you! Yeah I'm assuming we most likely have to put him on insulin again not ideal but yes just so he is comfortable and happy! Your T is beautiful!I hope they help as well! I am using the CBD oil & then I have added Grizzly Joint Aid Hip & Joint Support (glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, Hyaluronic Acid, Krill Oil). I decided to try the Grizzly's Joint Aid instead of the Dasuquin, but will be speaking with an orthopedic specialist in the upcoming months to determine which is best. My T, who has DM, has chronic pancreatitis & most likely some underlying IBD. After many attempts of stopping the steroid at different points since diagnosis & it resulting in vomiting, nausea, lethargy (most recently attempt after diagnosis of DM this past May), we have accepted that he will need the steroid & the insulin to be comfortable, healthy & happy. Like you, & especially after this last attempt at d/c of the Prednisolone resulting in him crashing & taking months to get him back to normal, we just want him to feel good & have the best quality of life as possible
Tomlin
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Diabetes Mellitus--DM
Thank you. Nudi looks VERY comfortable AND happy in the picture
! Such a sweet face!! I just try to be thankful that I can manage the diabetes with the insulin. I would prefer no illnesses, but if there has to be one or even a few, as long as there is something to manage it/them, I try look at the positive that it isn't a disease where there is no treatment or no great treatment.
Thank you. Nudi looks VERY comfortable AND happy in the picture
! Such a sweet face!! I just try to be thankful that I can manage the diabetes with the insulin. I would prefer no illnesses, but if there has to be one or even a few, as long as there is something to manage it/them, I try look at the positive that it isn't a disease where there is no treatment or no great treatment.
Sudio3
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Thank you! He’s such a loving guy! Yes agreed very true. That is a good way to think about it.Diabetes Mellitus--DM
Thank you. Nudi looks VERY comfortable AND happy in the picture
Tomlin
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I wanted to let you know that I just met with a vet & showed her the Grizzly’s. She is recommending that I change to Dasuquin Advanced for cats as it is specifically formulated for cats with respect to the balance of the supplements:
https://www.dasuquin.com/en/dasuquin-advanced-sprinkle-capsules-for-cats/
I am going to give it a try. She said some owners notice a change within a few weeks while others notice in a couple of months. I figured it will be a good trial before his ortho consult in early February.
https://www.dasuquin.com/en/dasuquin-advanced-sprinkle-capsules-for-cats/
I am going to give it a try. She said some owners notice a change within a few weeks while others notice in a couple of months. I figured it will be a good trial before his ortho consult in early February.
Sylvie
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gums better, in food you are just wasting the cbd, especially at that 1 drop dose..
one drop is not enough, that is not even 1mg of cbd and will do nada for your cat!! 2.5-5mg per 5lbs is the proper dosing amount.
you take the 550mg cbd strength and divide it by ml/oz (amount of your bottle is 30ml) and divide that number by 25 (there are 25 drops of liquid per ml when using a dropper / 20 when using a ML syringe).
your cbd per drop is .73 per drop if using dropper. so if your cat is say 10 lbs, you will need to give 6-7 drops to get the lowest recommended dose (5mg divided by .733). next time buy a higher strength if you want to avoid having to give this many drops.
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Noah & me (GA)
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I'm interested in how this works long term. This is all completely legal everywhere in Canada but there are still some shady providers for the people that don't want to go through official channels and I really need to know what's in something before I take it or give it to a cat.
Noah was on transdermal BUPE for over two years. He had rotten teeth and only a 10% chance of surviving anesthesia so we went that route. I've just ordered it again for Andy (too long of a story http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/andy-back-home.221709/#post-2479199 ) so that's always an alternative. It never affected Noah's numbers, his balance or appetite and was easy to vary the dosage. Andy is not diabetic.
Noah was on transdermal BUPE for over two years. He had rotten teeth and only a 10% chance of surviving anesthesia so we went that route. I've just ordered it again for Andy (too long of a story http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/andy-back-home.221709/#post-2479199 ) so that's always an alternative. It never affected Noah's numbers, his balance or appetite and was easy to vary the dosage. Andy is not diabetic.
Noah & me (GA)
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Sorry for the double post, I'm just about to leave the house. Noah's dosing is in my profile or you can just tag me later.
Tomlin
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This is exactly why I reached out to a vet I’ve consulted with before out of Cornell’s Feline Hospital & also with a holistic vet in Boulder, CO who sells a different product & also does consults specifically re: CBD. In the end I ended up using ElleVet because I trust the product because of the recommendations (including the vet in Boulder who sells a different product but endorsed ElleVet as a great product as well). It is being used in studies with Cornell & UF. In addition, I like that I know who the professionals are running the company & also doing the clinical research:
https://www.ellevetsciences.com/who-we-are/
Sylvie
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IMO non medical grade cbd that you don’t need a medical card to get it, is not as effective on pain itself.
the cbd available without a medical card from reputable companies is a ‘preventive’ cbd to me, after a few daily uses or longer, it starts ‘preventing’ pain.. for example early on after about a week of daily use, i stopped getting the on the nose mid day headaches i had for years however when i questioned product really doing anything and stopped using it, poof the headaches came back on third day and when i tried taking the cbd after i had headache already, it did nothing to rid of it, only after i restarted taking cbd daily did the headaches stop showing up again.. shows that the cbd oil does needs to build up in your system to be effective and sometimes takes awhile depending on issue.. for things like grumpiness/anxiety, it works surprisingly super quick, i felt my mood change on first week. but, for things like my RA, it took about a month to start helping but, after i stopped my meds, it also needed the help of a green mussel capsule and a fish oil with CQ10 every day to keep pain totally away. the long term cbd oil use at 40mg (full spectrum) or up to 80mg (isolate version) results for me is that today i rarely have any RA pain and when i do its because of my own stupidity in temporarily forgetting i have RA and do physical things i shouldn’t..
if you plan on ever trying it, don’t completely stop meds you or kitty is on, wait a couple weeks and then taper off till you don’t need the meds themselves anymore, just the cbd and perhaps like in my case, the help of a natural supplement too.. oh and rubbing cbd on your gums actually kills off bacteria and helps gum inflammation, may be useful for your kitty at that area too.
Noah & me (GA)
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Have you had your headaches diagnosed as to the cause? I've had many concussions and have always had migraines.
Imitrex nasal spray 10mg was a lifesaver for migraines but didn't make a dent in my Trigeminal Neuralgia, even pain clinics don't deal with neuropathic pain here.
The bud I got off the street completely killed my appetite for narcotics and now I take non-narcotic Rizatriptan (sometimes called Maxalt) that does something it was never meant to do. No more neuropathic pain!
I know this is all way off track but it might help just one person get their sugar cat back on track. Gotta take care of yourself before you can take care of a cat, or in my case when this started nine cats and a dog.
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Sudio3
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oh my gosh! I had no idea! I will need to re-read your post again when I give to him. We're on our 4th dose of Adequan and I wanted to wait until that kicked in before I started to CBD oil to know which one was helping. Thanks for the information!
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