10-25 Ittle +12=67 +13=72 +14=72 +14.5=62 +15=55 +18=58/ Moey AMPS=319 +3=167 +5=141 +6=168

Briere Fur Mom

Briere Fur Mom

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10-24(Yesterday) . Thoughts? I don't want to rush remission as it's recommended to wean them off. Should I try to give Ittle something? Maybe just wait and see if he rises at all and then dose if appropriate? I def. don't want to dose him if it could cause him to bounce and make these beautiful numbers we've been seeing disappear. At the same time if he needs needle shots, drops or micro doses to ensure remission... I'm on board. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells here:nailbiting: He seems to really be showing strong signs of remission.
**Update**
Ittle +21=63 Multiple pokes..squirmy Marvin. +24=68
Moey AMPS +8=168 +10=257 PMPS=248
 
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I'm home.
Well he seems flat as a pancake.

First can you tell me what you are feeding him brand and variety
what you call LC and what you call MC and what you call HC
 
If you have enough supplies
How do you feel about shooting 0.1u
You may need to feed MC and HC if he really does tell us he's done with the insulin.

I'm suggesting feeding his normal LC meal now shooting this small dose and then checking in 1 hour.
But as Bobbie has asked it would be helpful to know if he is eating well. From what you said the other day he seems to like the 'naughty' food (MC and HC)
 
Gill & George said:
I'm home.
Well he seems flat as a pancake.

First can you tell me what you are feeding him brand and variety
what you call LC and what you call MC and what you call HC
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LC is Dr.elsey's chicken or turkey formula. I have alot of the formulas..beef, salmon, chicken, and whitefish. I mainly stick to the chicken or turkey though. Beef is around 3.7% carb so, I'd break that out when he was getting a little low. Whitefish supposedly is 0% but, I only feed that about 2x weekly. I haven't given him anything but, the chicken and turkey since I started getting good #'s.
MC is the Blue Buffalo Healthy Gourmet Tuna @13%.
HC is Blue Buffalo Basics Indoor Turkey and Potato @17% carb
I found them on Sue and Luci's SS sortable food chart. I could be mistaking the carb% for dry matter and not as fed. I've done that in the past.
 
Briere Fur Mom said:
I def. don't want to dose him if it could cause him to bounce and make these beautiful numbers we've been seeing disappear.
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That wouldn't happen just by dosing him. If you gave him say the 0.1u and it was too much for him he would tell us by going lime green, and you would need to feed HC to keep him safe until the cycle was over and his numbers came up. If dropping into lime green did make him bounce it would be short lived and once it was over you would see a return to the green numbers.
Does that make sense?
Briere Fur Mom said:
I haven't given him anything but, the chicken and turkey since I started getting good #'s.
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that's interesting and before he was getting some other flavours?
 
Gill & George said:
If you have enough supplies
How do you feel about shooting 0.1u
You may need to feed MC and HC if he really does tell us he's done with the insulin.

I'm suggesting feeding his normal LC meal now shooting this small dose and then checking in 1 hour.
But as Bobbie has asked it would be helpful to know if he is eating well. From what you said the other day he seems to like the 'naughty' food (MC and HC)
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I have enough supplies, I'm just hesitant. I'm scared to make him bounce and ruin all this progress. Is there any other options?
 
Gill & George said:
That wouldn't happen just by dosing him. If you gave him say the 0.1u and it was too much for him he would tell us by going lime green, and you would need to feed HC to keep him safe until the cycle was over and his numbers came up. If dropping into lime green did make him bounce it would be short lived and once it was over you would see a return to the green numbers.
Does that make sense?

that's interesting and before he was getting some other flavours?
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I gave him the salmon and beef from time to time when I thought he needed a little boost. But, essentially, if the carb% are correct, they're all LC. I've contacted the company to get an as fed carb% for all of there formulas. They said the're batch testing the formulas with an independent lab. When the results are available they will email me.
 
If he were to bounce , like Gill said , it would be short lived and he would return to greens again.

I think it’s the only way we will know if he is really done with insulin. And having said this, I won’t be around today from 12 noon till dinner. But I’ll certainly check in on you till then.
 
Is .1 essentially a drop?
He's still hasn't been fed this morning pending our decision. I'm going to get another fasting BG real quick. BRB
 
You hold the syringe you are there with your little guy.
I do feel that something has changed, and with the other food in the house I am wondering whether he was hunging out scraps, I know my guy is very good at that, and the civies are messy eaters:rolleyes: I have to be sooo careful we have had a couple of slip ups over the years.
If contraband has been influencing and if you have now changed something in your routine so the sneaky little blighter is not getting any that might also be impacting.


Briere Fur Mom said:
s .1 essentially a drop?
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For me with my BD syringe it was 3 drops.

A drop dose is also possible, you basically hod the plunger down quite firmly while you insert it into the vial/pen let it go and it sucks up a smidge of insulin, that is just about a drop.

You could skip again, if you are happy with that.

I am in today, bar 45min walk with the dogs. So I'll be here for another 6 hrs (DH gets home from his business trip about then) at least, if I needed to stay longer I'd stay up with you or make sure someone could hang with you if you needed it.


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I keep watching and reading . . . and backing out of saying anything. My question is, are Ittle's current numbers that of a non-diabetic cat?
I would be hesitant to shoot anything, other than maybe a drop. I'd skip if those current BG numbers are "normal", and likely skip altogether.
I'm only using intuition though;)
 
Gill & George said:
You hold the syringe you are there with your little guy.
I do feel that something has changed, and with the other food in the house I am wondering whether he was hunging out scraps, I know my guy is very good at that, and the civies are messy eaters:rolleyes: I have to be sooo careful we have had a couple of slip ups over the years.
If contraband has been influencing and if you have now changed something in your routine so the sneaky little blighter is not getting any that might also be impacting.



For me with my BD syringe it was 3 drops.

A drop dose is also possible, you basically hod the plunger down quite firmly while you insert it into the vial/pen let it go and it sucks up a smidge of insulin, that is just about a drop.

You could skip again, if you are happy with that.

I am in today, bar 45min walk with the dogs. So I'll be here for another 6 hrs (DH gets home from his business trip about then) at least, if I needed to stay longer I'd stay up with you or make sure someone could hang with you if you needed it.


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What could the consequences be of skipping again besides his #'s going up. If he were to come out of "remission" would the FD be harder to control? I just don't want to screw this up. If Ittle was your cat, what do you think you would do?
 
Briere Fur Mom said:
What could the consequences be of skipping again besides his #'s going up. If he were to come out of "remission" would the FD be harder to control? I just don't want to screw this up. If Ittle was your cat, what do you think you would do?
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The general thought is that to get the remission to hold well it's best to take it slowly. But ECID, I know of one kitty that went from 5u to off the juice in 24 when the CG removed kibble from the house(the FD kitty was on a wet diet and not 'officially being given kibbley), but it became obvious he was getting into more kibble than the CG thought...
 
Gill & George said:
The general thought is that to get the remission to hold well it's best to take it slowly. But ECID, I know of one kitty that went from 5u to off the juice in 24 when the CG removed kibble from the house(the FD kitty was on a wet diet and not 'officially being given kibbley), but it became obvious he was getting into more kibble than the CG thought...
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I guess at this point, I'll try the N/S again and get some #'s throughout the day. I'll try to focus on #'s 30 min post eating to catch the spike. Than, I'll try to get #'s as the food spike is diminishing to see if he's dropping like a normal cat would. If I mess this up I'm the only one to blame. Y'all have permission to say, "I told ya so!"
I'm going to go ahead and feed him and get a test in about 30min.
 
That's OK he is not making this an easy decision by any means.

Although it is harder to get a cat into remission a second time, it is possible.
George and Bubba are proof of that.
George got knocked out of it by a steroid shot, I was beside myself, but we got back on track.

I'm going to go out and walk the dogs, goig to pop back later, I want to talk to you about moey. :)
 
So I'm confused did you get the carb% from Dr Lisas chart? I'm possibly not using the chart correctly:confused: I don't use it as I'm in Europe so we have a different chart that we use.

Anyways, lets talk about Moey

Firstly I was wondering how come SLGS with Moey and TR with ikkle? Just wondered if there was a reason? You test plenty, is he also transitioned fully to a LC wet diet now?

That aside, I've been looking at the dose increases you've been taking more lately of 0.1. So essentially you are taking it slower than even SLGS, looking at the numbers this is resulting in his numbers creeping up overall. You do a great job of getting data, and the 90 reduction point for SLGS, gives you plenty of breathing space.
It would be good to see him spending more time under that renal threshold like he was doing at the begining of october when he had some lovely runs in greens his ss was looking prettier.

He's on 0.75u at the moment, if you decide to continue with SLGS with him if he hasn't seen any green by the end of the week I would take him up the full 0.25u. The longer he spends in numbers above the renal threshold the more his numbers will continue to drift upwards, so going too slowly up the dosing ladder is counter productive.
He's a long term diabetic also, so typically they need a firmer hand in order to keep their numbers in check.

When he earns reductions, take the full reduction as well, otherwise the depot can get ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.
 
Gill & George said:
So I'm confused did you get the carb% from Dr Lisas chart? I'm possibly not using the chart correctly:confused: I don't use it as I'm in Europe so we have a different chart that we use.
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I'm pretty sure it's from Dr. Lisa's chart. You may wanna take a peek at Sue and Luci's signature. That's where I found the info on Blue Buffalo.
Gill & George said:
Firstly I was wondering how come SLGS with Moey and TR with ikkle? Just wondered if there was a reason? You test plenty, is he also transitioned fully to a LC wet diet now?
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Sadly, I really wasn't following either dosing method to a T with Ittle or Moey. I didn't take reductions or increases as per SLGS or TR. I started to get a little more aggressive with Ittle's lack of reductions when I started to see some blue #'s. I figured I had the best shot at remission with him, since he was newly diagnosed. I didn't think I could handle 2 cats on TR at the same time. Talk about bag of nerves! Moey is on the same diet as Ittle. He transitioned to the Dr. Elsey's at the same time as Ittle. If Ittle is truly headed toward remission Moey will start TR. Test strips are my biggest expense with 2 cats. So, being ultra diligent(testing) with just one cat will help my pocket book in the long run.

Thanks for the advice on Moey. I'm hoping he's just being stubborn with the dosecrease. When I did bump him up to 1u on Oct. 2 I saw a large drop on Oct. 4. Not typical of his trend at all. That was telling me the dose was too high for him. I think it was the next day that Chris Ronkoski informed me of the inaccurate nature of syringes. I was shocked! The thought never crossed my mind to double check my syringes. That could have been the culprit with Moey's huge drop on 10/4. Ittle had the same type of drop on 10/3. Very likely caused by mis-marked zero lines on the syringes. So, I reduced Moey and Ittle per guidelines. Too make a long story short...I thought the dose increases could've been too drastic in both cats. That's why the .1u increase instead of the full .25u.
Moey's 2nd setback was on 10/7. I didn't try to intervene at +4 with food(ignorance). I did give him what I thought was 5% carb food at +5 only to find out...it isn't 5% carb food! Lordy that's another story for some other time...it's in my SS or one of my condos somewhere. The big blow for him is when I wussed out, that same evening, over a rising 134. I was scared to shoot and it wouldn't have been according to SLGS guidelines(I did follow some guidelines at times:rolleyes:). So, I reduced him again. That was his biggest setback and I haven't forgiven myself for it. He could have had beautiful cycles but, my hesitation got in the way(there's a condo for that one too I think).
Hope that gives a little more info about Moey.
Once we can get Ittle figured out, I can throw everything into Moey. Balancing 2 cats is tough. Can you imagine having 2 crash at the same time....I can't? My DH would have to call the rescue squad, to get me, after it was all said and done with:p
 
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