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Emmy

Emmy

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Mabel, 14-1/2, diabetic 4 years, 1 year in remission, back on insulin for the past year, has off and on had episodes of spasm followed by throwing up, always twice in a row. Without food it's smallish puddle of clear liquid or bile (I suspect). It seems to have increased in frequency. Her blood sugar is well controlled with Levemir which lasts longer than 12 hours. I rarely see any fur in what she throws up; she is short hair. The episode will always come on quite fast and she'll move to a new place and have spasms. Lately the spasms have been more pronounced. Does anyone else experience and have experience with getting this diagnosed?
 
Thank you. She isn't in a lot of distress overall. Her appetite is good. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with their cat throwing up at the low point of the blood sugar curve. I measure and adjust insulin so she does not go to a hypoglycemic episode and so those are rare. But I wonder if I should be keeping her above 100.

I've searched the threads. Pancreatitis flareup suspected in these kind of cases. And so, how to avoid that? I wonder if probiotics or enzymes would help her in general. I have new Fortiflora on hand. Good idea or bad to give her that? She has been prone in past to some irritable bowel and that's why I have the Fortiflora.

Other general observations: she produces a lot of pee in big clumps. I put extra water in her lo-carb wet food and she also drinks water, so I expect her to pee a lot. I think it's one of the reasons she is still a live and generally, fairly well.

She does not appear to be suffering pain. I can touch in the usual places. She has sensitive skin, always did have. She comes to me for injections and has been very tolerant of treatment. She may be in a gradual decline now though. I am thinking of getting a complete blood panel and exam for her now. It's very expensive, of course. I just thought if anybody recognizes these symptoms, and or if one of our resident experts here has input, I would appreciate it. Thank you for reading and caring for us and for all our cats.
Emmy Mabel Ady
 
Emmy, would you care to flesh out the signature so that we can see what insulin, food etc. then perhaps also set up the spreadsheet so that we can see how you are dosing the insulin? These may all be factors in the vomiting, and without that information and data I don't know if any comparisons or 'like' experiences would relate.

I measure and adjust insulin so she does not go to a hypoglycemic episode and so those are rare. But I wonder if I should be keeping her above 100.
I am not experienced with insulin dosing, but from what I've read here over the last year+, it's recommended to give consistent equal doses for a period of cycles then adjust the insulin as needed, then see again what the testing shows on that consistent dose.

1. Setting up your signature (light grey text under a post). Here's how:
click on your name in the upper right corner of this page
click on "signature" in the menu that drops down
type the following in the box that opens: kitty's name/age/date of diabetes diagnosis/insulin you're using and dosage amount /glucose meter you're using/what (s)he eats/any other meds or health issues (s)he has. You can add your name, and a geographic location (sometimes the country/time zone matters) Be sure to SAVE when you are finished.
2.How to set up a spreadsheet like the one we use here. You will see how the trends and patterns emerge, and members can review his/her progress before offering suggestions or advice:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/understanding-the-spreadsheet-grid.156606/

I think with more information, you are going to get more response. And, in bargain, perhaps benefit from experienced users of the insulin you are using to help little Mabel feel better.
 
Emmy said:
I'm wondering if anyone has experience with their cat throwing up at the low point of the blood sugar curve
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my cat throws up sometimes in both - the very low like 30s or in as high as 300s :blackeye:
Not regularly only some times.
I think it rather due how fast she either drops or sky-rocketed, not the lows or highs in themselves.
It's ECID, of course.

When she vomited the clear liquid or bile - was it on empty stomach, you said?
Some kitties trow up whitish foam if they have acid-y tummies and hungry.
Some food or Famotidine - spelling?..:oops: - (in small dose, short term) usually helps with it.
I prefer feeding a bit extra food v. Fam for my cat.
Fam is OTC human acid reducer available @any pharmacy.

Human grade probiotic would do better for her IBD than Fortiflora, more effective.
Renew Life Ultimate Flora is popular choice here. But it won't help with P-titis, IMO.
 
Thank you Tanya and Dulcia! I find your post helpful. She will eat, yes, even not long after vomiting on empty stomach. Her appetite is good. In past she had sometimes thrown up white foamy spot, but that is now very rare if ever. It is usually light brown at first (the color of her food) then clear when she throws up a spot second time. It seems to be related to blood sugar ups and downs and maybe this is linked to another thing making her throw up. I have just been concerned with kidneys and liver and want the big blood workup but it is really expensive. I'll watch this throwing up that it doesn't become more frequent and intense. I'm seeking input today because overnight last night she had two bouts of throwing up, sequential, and that's a new thing.

There could be so many other variables. I cleaned the back of litter boxes (I have leg lifters here) using Seventh Generation botanical wipes, active ingredient Thymol. They're supposed to be safe, and I prefer them to chemicals, but thyme oil might be toxic for cats. I don't know. Maybe I should stop with those but I was lazy a moment. I had cataract surgery last Wednesday. A relative died that same day. I am having problems in my rental. It's been overwhelming and I couldn't take the litter boxes for a full washing. It's hard keeping up with the cleaning, not to speak of everything else. Friends helped right after surgery because I wasn't supposed to clean the boxes for 1 week after! But I cover my eye now for it and am careful with handwashing. If anybody reads this bit and has a better suggestion for cleaning backs of litter boxes every few days without complete washing them, please let me know what disinfectant is safe to use.
 
Idjit's mom said:
Emmy, would you care to flesh out the signature so that we can see what insulin, food etc. then perhaps also set up the spreadsheet so that we can see how you are dosing the insulin? These may all be factors in the vomiting, and without that information and data I don't know if any comparisons or 'like' experiences would relate.

I measure and adjust insulin so she does not go to a hypoglycemic episode and so those are rare. But I wonder if I should be keeping her above 100.
I am not experienced with insulin dosing, but from what I've read here over the last year+, it's recommended to give consistent equal doses for a period of cycles then adjust the insulin as needed, then see again what the testing shows on that consistent dose.

1. Setting up your signature (light grey text under a post). Here's how:
click on your name in the upper right corner of this page
click on "signature" in the menu that drops down
type the following in the box that opens: kitty's name/age/date of diabetes diagnosis/insulin you're using and dosage amount /glucose meter you're using/what (s)he eats/any other meds or health issues (s)he has. You can add your name, and a geographic location (sometimes the country/time zone matters) Be sure to SAVE when you are finished.
2.How to set up a spreadsheet like the one we use here. You will see how the trends and patterns emerge, and members can review his/her progress before offering suggestions or advice:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/understanding-the-spreadsheet-grid.156606/

I think with more information, you are going to get more response. And, in bargain, perhaps benefit from experienced users of the insulin you are using to help little Mabel feel better.
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Thank you for reading my posts and for your replies. I have just filled out my signature. I didn't know to do that. I hope that helps. About the spreadsheet--for a couple of years I recorded her readings in a notebook then transferred them to a downloaded spreadsheet. I used that for myself and the vet so the patterns were easy to see. I got to the point I couldn't keep up with transferring the numbers. I am just keeping her numbers in notebooks. I am not sure how everybody is able to find time to do all this online. It's like a full time job just keeping up with cat care. I'm feeling overwhelmed due to my total circumstances right now and just can't do it now, even though I would really really like to.
 
Well, all things considered I think that you can try Famotidine, it's inexpensive.
It won't do too much harm if you try small dose for a 2 - 3 days, it might help.

The problem is that I totally forgot how to dose...and what frequency. Sorry.

You 'll need to talk to others with experience with Fam, there used to be a lot of people here who used F daily, you should get recommendations.

I am not very current and I do not know who uses it now, and whose cats display similar symptoms. So, do not know whom to tag for you.

Edit your title - click on question mark icon at the left of the title line and then type something more specific - like "Help with throwing up/ Acid Reducer dose". The question mark prefix will attract more eyes.

Hopefully, the situation will resolve with easy/ available things such as the Fam.

Have you heard of Care Credit?
It is line of credit for vet-, med-, or some other services, that you do not have to pay any interests on if paid off in 6 month. It is a savior for so many on here! A lot of hospitals and private vet clinic accept it now - and I hear that t he number of services participation in accepting CC is growing. In case you'll need to run a bloodwork one day. And they do approve everyone, lol.

I may be wrong but I cannot remember hearing/ reading here that a cat with a flare of P-titis was having good appy and ate well :confused:. If it was a flare up you , likely, would not be seeing good eating. I hope I am not wrong, and you can relax about p-titis. It is painful, and requires pain killers at least for a while.

As for the cleaning detergent - I used to do Pine Sole on everything :rolleyes:. Turns out to be very toxic for any being.
Now it 's been replaced by 1:1 water/white vinegar. Works just fine, the remaining odor is very slight and short lived, does not seem to bother Ducia at all.
 
don't know if this would work or not, but what about smoothing cling wrap over the back of litter box after you get it cleaned well, once

then you could just remove the cling wrap, reapply fresh -- save you having to clean with any chemical or oil

kind of like a litter liner but a bit less expensive, I would think
 
My kitty has many of the same symptoms as Mabel. He randomly throws up bile, or a liquid that's usually brownish. It doesn't seem to affect him too negatively as he will still eat later. I give him a 1/4 pill of Pecid and that seems to help. I also feed him smaller portions but more times throughout the day until his stomach settles. I give him 1/4 tsp of pro and pre biotics with enzymes once a day and he seems to be vomiting less frequently.

I also spot clean the litter box with Seventh Generation disinfectant wipes. I just use a wet paper towel afterwards to wipe away any residue.

Another crazy thing we have in common is that I recently broke a bone and have been dealing with my health along with Maxwell's. It's not easy to balance, so hang in there! I just want you to know you are not alone.
 
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