07/23 Mowgli AMPS 259 PMPS 202 +2 94 +2.5 77 +3 74 +4 72 +5 124

AmandaE

AmandaE

Member Since 2019
07/22 Condo

Mowgli’s doing well today! It does look from his PM numbers last night that he’s flattened out a bit into some nice blues, maybe he even got to green, who knows!? I was in La La Land.

I tried using my calipers last night but the small arms were overlapped and I wasn’t sure it was right to use them if they’re overlapped. I wonder did I get a poor set of calipers? The wrong size? They had good reviews. I posted a pic so you can see the overlap a bit. If I’m supposed to use the overlap to measure the dose I will definitely need craft glasses :P

Additionally, I was using the large size to see approx how much insulin I am estimating that I am giving him with the lines on the syringe... it looks like I’m giving him more than 0.75u, so I’m not sure if I should use the calipers to give him 0.75u or something more.

Advice on fine dosing welcome :)


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I use the big side to measure Furball's dose. I think if you're measuring the really small doses with calipers people use the small side. I never did that because I couldn't see it. That was way before I bought the magnifying headlamp.

The best thing you can do when starting to measure the dose with calipers is get your settings written down for each dose and then go with that and not worry about what the real size of the dose you were giving before was. Just try to get as close to what you were giving before the first time and then go from there. The numbers may be a little wonky for a little while until the depot adjusts to using the calipers. Make a note on your SS that you are now using calipers.
 
carfurby said:
I use the big side to measure Furball's dose. I think if you're measuring the really small doses with calipers people use the small side. I never did that because I couldn't see it. That was way before I bought the magnifying headlamp.

The best thing you can do when starting to measure the dose with calipers is get your settings written down for each dose and then go with that and not worry about what the real size of the dose you were giving before was. Just try to get as close to what you were giving before the first time and then go from there. The numbers may be a little wonky for a little while until the depot adjusts to using the calipers. Make a note on your SS that you are now using calipers.
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Thanks Carla, there is a lip on the BD ultrafine that doesnt really allow me to get close to the barrel of the syringe with the large size, so using the large size might not get me the accuracy I hoped for, I will try again tonight, I didnt use them this morning because I didn't really have time to mess around with it. I will proceed as you advise, using the 0.75u on the calipers and adjusting in the future as needed. When I first successfully use the calipers I will add the detail to my sheet :)

Thanks again :D
 
Armish & Roo said:
Wow, what a nice curve last night for Mowgs, he seems to be doing okay on the reduced dose! A great start for today, fingers crossed he'll spend some nice time at the beach :cool: Excited for the update on the caliper use :bookworm:

Have a good day Amanda :)
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Totally! I hope to see a curve kind of like this when he finally hits green-ville... dunno when that will be ;) :P
 
Hi, so these aren't great pics but I did my best! I found a syringe that *almost* lined up where the zero line is (assume it does). You use the small side of the calipers use the space between the overlap...This avoids that protruding ridge on BD syringes. Line the top to the inner plastic ridge line (the shaded bit) and draw insulin to the bottom edge of the calipers...Mine are set to 1.3U but it's a bit difficult to tell because I couldn't hold them both and the camera too lol.
If you want I'll try to take better pics when hubby's home.
Hth, with love, nikkiIMG_20190723_114631.jpg IMG_20190723_114901.jpg
 
I did what Nikki shows, except didn’t assume the zero line was correct, cause it never was. My calipers also had much thinner small arms. DH picked them up at his favourite metal working tool (toy) store. Not Canadian Tire. :p
 
Lol I was poking thru the sharps container for a mismarked syringe...Not hard to find. Here's one where the zero obvs doesn't line up with the inner line:IMG_20190723_120834.jpg
And this is where you'd hold the calipers (again, not 100%accurare lol)IMG_20190723_120711.jpg
See how it looks like I'm only giving around 1U, because of the mismarking? If this syringe's lines were used and someone drew what they thought was 1.3U, they'd be giving more like 1.6ishU, because the zero line is too low.
With love, nikki
 
That's how I do also, except that I don't bother with line markings and "0" as they are not so accurate. I align calipers flush to the top ring (the plastic lip) and the outside of the bottom small arm is your insulin measurement. The first caliper dosing could be a little different that what you were giving, but it will be always consistent from now on.
Note it on your SS that you started calipers. :)
 
Ti-Mousse said:
That's how I do also, except that I don't bother with line markings and "0" as they are not so accurate. I align calipers flush to the top ring (the plastic lip) and the outside of the bottom small arm is your insulin measurement. The first caliper dosing could be a little different that what you were giving, but it will be always be consistent from now on.
Note it on your SS that you started calipers. :)
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Hi, I think that by lining to the outer ridge, which is above the zero mark , you're actually shorting your 1st unit.....Since the plunger only goes to the zero line, not the ridge. Do you see what I mean?

ETA but that only would become an issue for you once Ti-Mousse drops below one unit, so nothing to worry about now. It just makes an inaccurate starting point for microdosing, I *think* (but please correct me if I'm wrong!)

With love, nikki
 
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@Wendy&Neko @Ti-Mousse Like this?
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ETA: I wish my small side had better defined arms, Maybe I should return these and get more high def, especially since my hopes are that Mowgli's dose will get smaller and smaller
 
AmandaE said:
@Wendy&Neko @Ti-Mousse Like this?
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ETA: I wish my small side had better defined arms, Maybe I should return these and get more high def, especially since my hopes are that Mowgli's dose will get smaller and smaller
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Hi @AmandaE , please see my response to Ti-Mousses post above... Sorry to barge in but I don't think that using the outer ridge is accurate for microdosing, as the plunger doesn't go that far so youd end up shorting your dose?
With love, nikki
 
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Lol I was poking thru the sharps container for a mismarked syringe...Not hard to find. Here's one where the zero obvs doesn't line up with the inner line:View attachment 46619
And this is where you'd hold the calipers (again, not 100%accurare lol)View attachment 46620
See how it looks like I'm only giving around 1U, because of the mismarking? If this syringe's lines were used and someone drew what they thought was 1.3U, they'd be giving more like 1.6ishU, because the zero line is too low.
With love, nikki
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Where did you get your Calipers Nikki?

You use, the bit of hard plastic at below the lip as your 0 line? like:
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nslade001 said:
Hi @AmandaE , please see my response to to Mousses post above... Sorry to barge in but I don't think that using the outer ridge is accurate for microdosing, as the plunger doesn't go that far so youd end up shorting your dose?
With love, nikki
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I guess as long as you use the same start point each time you would be consistently increasing or decreasing ... even if it wasn't a true 1u.

Hmm the variety in method combined with my clumsy small caliper arms are causing a bit of confusion.
 
AmandaE said:
I guess as long as you use the same start point each time you would be consistently increasing or decreasing ... even if it wasn't a true 1u.

Hmm the variety in method combined with my clumsy small caliper arms are causing a bit of confusion.
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But where you've already been giving insulin at " a unit is this much" , then once you're under a unit you'd get to the "starting unit"which is actually less because of the short created, which wouldn't be consistent. Aargh I can't explain it!!! @Wendy&Neko can you explain what I'm trying to say? Lol
 
Hi Amanda, My favorite calipers are from Harbor Frieght; $14 - I have another one from Amazon but it's larger - and this one fits into her kit better - just personal preference. Here are a couple of pics - hope this helps. My syringe is a Relion (from Walmart)
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nslade001 said:
But where you've already been giving insulin at " a unit is this much" , then once you're under a unit you'd get to the "starting unit"which is actually less because of the short created, which wouldn't be consistent. Aargh I can't explain it!!! @Wendy&Neko can you explain what I'm trying to say? Lol
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I think what you've said is in agreement with what I have said, for example: If you use the bottom of the plastic and that is a true 1u, and I used the bottom of the lip which is actually 0.8u; when we both increase by 0.25 you would be giving 1.25u while I would be giving 1.05u. As long as I am at least using a consistent standard start point, it is still better than using the lines ... the 1.05 is not actually 0.25u but the next time I increase I will still increase by 0.25u so the increases would be accurate.

I guess what I am saying is I believe that consistency in your mm-unit conversion and physical starting point are the two most important factors.

Still, Now I am confused where on the syringe to use as my starting point LOL
 
AmandaE said:
I guess as long as you use the same start point each time you would be consistently increasing or decreasing ... even if it wasn't a true 1u.
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Yes and no. Push the plunger in hard, the bottom of it is the zero line. Does it always push into the same spot? No. :banghead: I also didn’t care about being the same 1u as every one else, but rather cared about giving the same “1 unit” each time.

I don’t think Harbour Freight ships to Canada. We have to cross border shop, the one closest to me never had those calipers in stock.
 
carfurby said:
What @Sue and Luci posted is what I have and how I measure. Of course my syringes don't have the lip.
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The lip would make measuring that way a bit harder for me

Wendy&Neko said:
Yes and no. Push the plunger in hard, the bottom of it is the zero line. Does it always push into the same spot? No. :banghead: I also didn’t care about being the same 1u as every one else, but rather cared about giving the same “1 unit” each time.
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:confused:o_O I think I am confused again. Is there any consistency at all in the make of the BD ultrafine o_O:facepalm:
 
AmandaE said:
I think what you've said is in agreement with what I have said, for example: If you use the bottom of the plastic and that is a true 1u, and I used the bottom of the lip which is actually 0.8u; when we both increase by 0.25 you would be giving 1.25u while I would be giving 1.05u. As long as I am at least using a consistent standard start point, it is still better than using the lines ... the 1.05 is not actually 0.25u but the next time I increase I will still increase by 0.25u so the increases would be accurate.

I guess what I am saying is I believe that consistency in your mm-unit conversion and physical starting point are the two most important factors.

Still, Now I am confused where on the syringe to use as my starting point LOL
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I agree with everything you've said! The problem that I *think* might arise is when you start going below the first unit...I don't know how you'd account for the short in your increases/decreases, since now your "X mm =1 unit" no longer applies... Your unit is suddenly smaller/scant, so when you decrease by your 0.25 U from 1 U, you're dosing less than 0.75U. So you've lost that consistency in the unit. Now I've confused myself (which isn't hard to do)! So I'm stopping even thinking about this lol.

Darn BD syringes have to be designed differently as well as being so, so badly marked!

Maybe tag Marje or Wendy to see what they say about if choosing a different starting point might pose an issue in smaller doses?

Sorry, I've probably only added to any confusion!!
 
AmandaE said:
These look very similar to mine!
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If it's any consolation to you, I had a heck of a time getting my whole caliper experience into my head. Marge had to practically hold my hand! :rolleyes:

I was putting the top edge of the calipers in the wrong place...duh...so once she pointed me in the right direction, everything fell into place...I didn't know if it was just me (being a little slow on the uptake)...or what...but it took a while.:facepalm: Now I snuggle that top edge right up under the bottom edge of the lip of my syringe - push the plunger up until the center of the rubber inside the barrel is in line with the bottom edge of the caliper lip - hold it to light and try for consistency every time...:cat:

Luci hasn't responded very well to my efforts of late - but she'll come around - eventually - I suppose...although with all this yellow...I'm kinda wondering...oh well..it's another day...another chance to get her to where she needs to be... :smuggrin:

Just posted and saw your other comments: No syringe of mine has ever been consistent - from box to box; sometimes from bag to bag. I finally stopped looking at the lines altogether - turning the syringe around to the back where there are no lines - they were just not helpful at all.
 
Sue and Luci said:
If it's any consolation to you, I had a heck of a time getting my whole caliper experience into my head. Marge had to practically hold my hand! :rolleyes:

I was putting the top edge of the calipers in the wrong place...duh...so once she pointed me in the right direction, everything fell into place...I didn't know if it was just me (being a little slow on the uptake)...or what...but it took a while.:facepalm: Now I snuggle that top edge right up under the bottom edge of the lip of my syringe - push the plunger up until the center of the rubber inside the barrel is in line with the bottom edge of the caliper lip - hold it to light and try for consistency every time...:cat:

Luci hasn't responded very well to my efforts of late - but she'll come around - eventually - I suppose...although with all this yellow...I'm kinda wondering...oh well..it's another day...another chance to get her to where she needs to be... :smuggrin:

Just posted and saw your other comments: No syringe of mine has ever been consistent - from box to box; sometimes from bag to bag. I finally stopped looking at the lines altogether - turning the syringe around to the back where there are no lines - they were just not helpful at all.
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Thanks it is a consolation to me that it was tough for you at first and now you're living it!! I don't want to do anything if I'm not doing it right ;)

Hey, @Marje and Gracie any additional insight for a caliper newbie like me who is being kind of slow on the uptake? :P
 
nslade001 said:
I agree with everything you've said! The problem that I *think* might arise is when you start going below the first unit...I don't know how you'd account for the short in your increases/decreases, since now your "X mm =1 unit" no longer applies... Your unit is suddenly smaller/scant, so when you decrease by your 0.25 U from 1 U, you're dosing less than 0.75U. So you've lost that consistency in the unit. Now I've confused myself (which isn't hard to do)! So I'm stopping even thinking about this lol.

Darn BD syringes have to be designed differently as well as being so, so badly marked!

Maybe tag Marje or Wendy to see what they say about if choosing a different starting point might pose an issue in smaller doses?

Sorry, I've probably only added to any confusion!!
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You haven't added to the confusion, I am the type who likes to consider many points of view! since you're Canadian I assume you also use the BD ultrafine? I think no matter what I would have needed a bit of hand holding through this transition :smuggrin::rolleyes:
 
AmandaE said:
These look very similar to mine!
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DH got me the 6" Pittsburgh calipers from Harbor Freight -- really nice to see the caliper against ReliOn syringe, of course that's pretty much what I'm looking at, though I might find using the smaller ones on top easier to use for my aging eyes and shaky hands

ETA (laughing) correcting "sue" to "use" ... nope, not suing anything
 
AmandaE said:
Thanks it is a consolation to me that it was tough for you at first and now you're living it!! I don't want to do anything if I'm not doing it right ;)

Hey, @Marje and Gracie any additional insight for a caliper newbie like me who is being kind of slow on the uptake? :p
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Ugh...you will hate me for this but I’ve never used those syringes or the small arms. I’ve been trying to envision what Nikki is explaining...because it makes sense to me... it without being able to experiment on those syringes, I don’t want to tell you something that isn’t correct.

In fact, I didn’t even know anyone was going to need the small arms until @Wendy&Neko started using the calipers. She might have been the first one to use them on the Canadian BDs. She is actually the one that figured that out. She is going to be the best resource as she did it a long time and knows the ins and outs.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Ugh...you will hate me for this but I’ve never used those syringes or the small arms. I’ve been trying to envision what Nikki is explaining...because it makes sense to me... it without being able to experiment on those syringes, I don’t want to tell you something that isn’t correct.

In fact, I didn’t even know anyone was going to need the small arms until @Wendy&Neko started using the calipers. She might have been the first one to use them on the Canadian BDs. She is actually the one that figured that out. She is going to be the best resource as she did it a long time and knows the ins and outs.
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I will never hate you but yes... not useful for my further understanding :P ;) :P

Ok so, I will ask both yourself and @Wendy&Neko how would you, if you were using a whole new brand of syringes, go about figuring out:
A. Calculating the 1u to mm conversion ( I will be using Wendy's conversion for the BD ultrafine, just interested in how it is determined)
B. Which starting point in the syringe you would use as your starting point? Is it, like Wendy stated, The bottom of the plunger when it is pushed in all of the way? Would you do this each time you draw?

I feel like if I understand these two pieces of information then I would be able to make up my own mind on how best to proceed. Maybe not lol who knows !

Thanks for all help so far :oops::bighug::joyful:
 
Yay! I just woke up from a nap, and my confusion had cleared! Now to see if I can explain what I'm thinking...

It doesn't matter that the first unit will be scant when you get to i (when the dose is down to a unit or less), the actual unit in mm hasn't changed, it just means one day you'll go to reduce by 0.25u and realize you can't (because the unit was scant from your measuring point), you don't have enough insulin in the syringe to reduce by a half, so you just decrease by 0.1u or a drop or whatever you can. The consistency is always the same, the number you call the total units may not be "actual" but that doesn't matter!

What *does* matter is, if you use the lip as a measuring point (call it zero) then the *first * time you start to use calipers, the initial calculated dose will likely be short because of the scant initial unit, which just means you'll end up likely needing a dose increase to get where you were to start (ie starting with calipers using the outer lip instead of the inner ridge as a starting point may act as a dose reduction).

And you'll still be able to use the lines as a check point to see if you're at the right dose, you'll just have to take that "scant amount" that you know you're off into consideration, the same way I have to take into account how "off" the zero line is!

So, @AmandaE , I hope this clears up anything I might have muddied ;)

And when it comes to using the bottom of the plunger... I'm not doing that, I'm just using the bottom of the inner ridge, so I may be off a bit as well (whoops)...But it's all ok, because I'm consistent in my offness lol. And I think that's what matters.

With love, Nikki
 
nslade001 said:
Yay! I just woke up from a nap, and my confusion had cleared! Now to see if I can explain what I'm thinking...

It doesn't matter that the first unit will be scant when you get to i (when the dose is down to a unit or less), the actual unit in mm hasn't changed, it just means one day you'll go to reduce by 0.25u and realize you can't (because the unit was scant from your measuring point), you don't have enough insulin in the syringe to reduce by a half, so you just decrease by 0.1u or a drop or whatever you can. The consistency is always the same, the number you call the total units may not be "actual" but that doesn't matter!

What *does* matter is, if you use the lip as a measuring point (call it zero) then the *first * time you start to use calipers, the initial calculated dose will likely be short because of the scant initial unit, which just means you'll end up likely needing a dose increase to get where you were to start (ie starting with calipers using the outer lip instead of the inner ridge as a starting point may act as a dose reduction).

And when it comes to using the bottom of the plunger... I'm not doing that, I'm just using the bottom of the inner ridge, so I may be off a bit as well (whoops)...But it's all ok, because I'm consistent in my offness lol. And I think that's what matters.
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Ok so we do fully agree then! that all makes sense. Now I just have to determine what my top dose line will be ... :P
 
AmandaE said:
I will never hate you but yes... not useful for my further understanding :p ;) :p

Ok so, I will ask both yourself and @Wendy&Neko how would you, if you were using a whole new brand of syringes, go about figuring out:
A. Calculating the 1u to mm conversion ( I will be using Wendy's conversion for the BD ultrafine, just interested in how it is determined)
B. Which starting point in the syringe you would use as your starting point? Is it, like Wendy stated, The bottom of the plunger when it is pushed in all of the way? Would you do this each time you draw?

I feel like if I understand these two pieces of information then I would be able to make up my own mind on how best to proceed. Maybe not lol who knows !

Thanks for all help so far :oops::bighug::joyful:
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Sorry but I don’t like to overstep my knowledge base and guess about something so important.

A. If you look at the post on using calipers, it tells how to determine the 1u to mm conversion. But, in summary, try and find as many good syringes as you can where the zero line is correct. Then measure with the calipers in mm the distance between the 0u and 1u lines. You can also measure between the 1u and 2u lines but if the 0u line is not correct, neither will these be. I believe the Canadian BDs measurement that Wendy got was @.62mm = 1u (whatever I told you last week). She did that by using the method above.

B. I used Terumo syringes and the point to measure from to my dose was always the same. I didn’t worry about where the plunger went to; it didn’t matter in those syringes. So, again, someone with experience with the Canadian BDs would need to answer because I’m not really getting why it would matter where the plunger is at the top. Now if you are asking about the plunger once you draw the dose, I always line up the top of the plunger (closest to the syringe) with where my dose was. So if my dose was 1u and it was 1.5mm, then the top of my plunger would be right on 1.5mm.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Sorry but I don’t like to overstep my knowledge base and guess about something so important.
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No apology needed! I was just teasing, I would definitely rather you say you didn't know the answer :)

Marje and Gracie said:
A. If you look at the post on using calipers, it tells how to determine the 1u to mm conversion. But, in summary, try and find as many good syringes as you can where the zero line is correct. Then measure with the calipers in mm the distance between the 0u and 1u lines. You can also measure between the 1u and 2u lines but if the 0u line is not correct, neither will these be. I believe the Canadian BDs measurement that Wendy got was @.62mm = 1u (whatever I told you last week). She did that by using the method above.
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I think that is what you told Dierdre last week RE: the US BD (US BD 1.62=1u), but yes, Wendy has a conversion sheet for BD Ultra Canada where 1u = 1.5mm.

This comes back to my personal main problem... I am unsure at what point in the syringe barrel to consider as 0, I'm not sure where it should be on a BD Ultra Canada since I can't actually trust the 0 line. So I don't think I would know what to look for when comparing multiple syringes. I like the idea of measuring multiple 1u intervals though and seeing if there is a consistency to them, If I focus on what I am actually trying to accomplish in this part of my question, the 1u thickness doesn't have to come from the 0 line to 1u but rather could be measured using any instance of 1u along the syringe / multiple syringes. In the end I will definitely use the 1u=1.5mm as provided by Wendy :).

Marje and Gracie said:
B. I used Terumo syringes and the point to measure from to my dose was always the same. I didn’t worry about where the plunger went to; it didn’t matter in those syringes. So, again, someone with experience with the Canadian BDs would need to answer because I’m not really getting why it would matter where the plunger is at the top. Now if you are asking about the plunger once you draw the dose, I always line up the top of the plunger (closest to the syringe) with where my dose was. So if my dose was 1u and it was 1.5mm, then the top of my plunger would be right on 1.5mm.
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I guess what I was thinking was: Could where the plunger actually stops at the top of the barrel be perceived as the 0 line? so if the plunger pushed to the top is in line with the 0 line then the 0 line could be trusted as a start point with my calipers, but if it goes above the 0 line that is where I would imagine I should start my dose measurement.

I definitely get where the plunger should be once the dose is drawn, my struggle is more, where to line up my calipers to start measuring the dose.

It might seem like I'm over thinking this but if I'm going to use calipers I want to do it right. I might end up settling on just picking either the base of the BD pen lip, or the bit of plastic just below the syringe so that I have a consistent start point, and I will use the 1.5mm=1u. I'll have a look again tonight and see if I have better luck
 
What a post.... :)
I'm using BD Ultrafine (Canada), so our measurement is 1.5mm = 1 unit (Wendy).
Because of BD, we have to use the small arms, no choice.
As lines markings are never the same, we can't measure from them. On our syringes, plunger goes up to the barrel, so measurement starts from there; this is our "0" point. (see post #15, exactly like this)
We align calipers flush to the barrel and we can have a consistent dosage every time !

I'm in and out today, so didn't have much time to read all previous answers...sorry! :( Hopefully this helps! :)
 
Ti-Mousse said:
What a post.... :)
I'm using BD Ultrafine (Canada), so our measurement is 1.5mm = 1 unit (Wendy).
Because of BD, we have to use the small arms, no choice.
As lines markings are never the same, we can't measure from them. On our syringes, plunger goes up to the barrel, so measurement starts from there; this is our "0" point. (see post #15, exactly like this)
We align calipers flush to the barrel and we can have a consistent dosage every time !

I'm in and out today, so didn't have much time to read all previous answers...sorry! :( Hopefully this helps! :)
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LOL RIGHT!? I'm working myself in cirlces and causing confusion to all in my path ;)

Thanks for your help Lyane :D
 
This was a long post, but you had calipers success within the same day -- nice work! Tell Mowg to give his clever human some extra snuggles.
 
AmandaE said:
Is there any consistency at all in the make of the BD ultrafine o_O:facepalm:
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The inconsistency is where the 0 unit line was drawn. Pretty much most of the time, the bottom of the plunger lines up with the base of the lip, so I used that as the point to start. And as Nikki said, consistency is key. Just as FYI, the way I calculated the 1 unit size was to measure several syringes from 1 or 10 units, take the average, and divide by 10. I found that took out the error of where I put the calipers to measure 1 unit. And we had one member who was a draftsperson eyeball it and said it was 1.4 mm. I didn’t care about the 0.1mm difference. Truth be told, when I started using calipers, Neko was in higher doses and I used 1.6mm, cause the math was easier for partial doses. When she got down in dose, I reset to 1.5 and made myself do the math.:p
 
Wendy&Neko said:
The inconsistency is where the 0 unit line was drawn. Pretty much most of the time, the bottom of the plunger lines up with the base of the lip, so I used that as the point to start. And as Nikki said, consistency is key. Just as FYI, the way I calculated the 1 unit size was to measure several syringes from 1 or 10 units, take the average, and divide by 10. I found that took out the error of where I put the calipers to measure 1 unit. And we had one member who was a draftsperson eyeball it and said it was 1.4 mm. I didn’t care about the 0.1mm difference. Truth be told, when I started using calipers, Neko was in higher doses and I used 1.6mm, cause the math was easier for partial doses. When she got down in dose, I reset to 1.5 and made myself do the math.:p
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Perfect! After all of that I feel I do understand. Thanks a lot to you and everyone else that helped to get me here :)
 
I tried messing around with calipers this afternoon, but will have to figure out how to do it without dropping something; am sure the ReliOn syringes are wildly inconsistent (possibly why some of Catcat's results have been too) -- I may borrow DH's "third hand" gadget which holds one thing while you fiddle using your own two paws -- it needs a table to clamp on so I'll have to find one that fits the limited space up here
 
CandyH and Catcat said:
I tried messing around with calipers this afternoon, but will have to figure out how to do it without dropping something; am sure the ReliOn syringes are wildly inconsistent (possibly why some of Catcat's results have been too) -- I may borrow DH's "third hand" gadget which holds one thing while you fiddle using your own two paws -- it needs a table to clamp on so I'll have to find one that fits the limited space up here
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Third hand tool sounds USEFUL!!!
 
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