5/8 Max amps 188, pmps 49+0.5 62, +1 79, +2 54, +2.5 50, +3.25 62, +3.75 67, +4.25 72

MindyC

MindyC

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Not sure what is up with Max's numbers today, other than maybe a bounce from last night. I'm home today to take son to get his hard cast, and then to meet the house foundation guy to argue about why my basement keeps having water come in. Ugh.

So in terms of carb responsiveness...how do you tell? Max doesn't seem to be super responsive to carbs when he's dropped low. Last night he came back up, but not quickly, and didn't sky rocket either from the 14% I fed him at +4. I suspect he might have come up on his own based on previous cycles where he's dropped to the 50s. I'm actually wondering if his current +4 boost from amps isn't a residual processing of that 14% from last night. Any thoughts?
 
I am definitely not the best person to answer your questions, but I'll see if this bump up to the top helps get some more eyes on it for you.
 
Hi Mindy. I think today's AM cycle is a bit of a bounce from those 50's last night. Since he didn't really jump up in terms of numbers after you fed him the 14% last night,I think he might have earned a reduction without it. Looks like he has all ready headed back to the lagoon today. I suspect he's looking for a reduction really soon. Last night's cycle was the 6th cycle of this dose since you gave him the .50 reduction on 5/4 PM cycle, so the depot is filled. He might have some plans for you tonight.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Hi Mindy. I think today's AM cycle is a bit of a bounce from those 50's last night. Since he didn't really jump up in terms of numbers after you fed him the 14% last night,I think he might have earned a reduction without it. Looks like he has all ready headed back to the lagoon today. I suspect he's looking for a reduction really soon. Last night's cycle was the 6th cycle of this dose since you gave him the .50 reduction on 5/4 PM cycle, so the depot is filled. He might have some plans for you tonight.
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Ugh...I hope not, but when he turned up with that 90 this afternoon I started to wonder the same.

So...do I treat him like a newly (under 6mo) diagnosed cat with the TR and let him hit 50 for a reduction, or do I treat him like long term and reduce if he actually drops below 40? He wasn’t on insulin long the first time around, and he was diet controlled for 9 years...and did so well that we weren’t looking for diabetes this time and were surprised by it. I hadn’t thought to check his bg in years when this came up (which very well could have only happened because of how sick he was at that time).
 
MindyC said:
Ugh...I hope not, but when he turned up with that 90 this afternoon I started to wonder the same.

So...do I treat him like a newly (under 6mo) diagnosed cat with the TR and let him hit 50 for a reduction, or do I treat him like long term and reduce if he actually drops below 40? He wasn’t on insulin long the first time around, and he was diet controlled for 9 years...and did so well that we weren’t looking for diabetes this time and were surprised by it. I hadn’t thought to check his bg in years when this came up (which very well could have only happened because of how sick he was at that time).
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Technically he is a long term diabetic and you would reduce below 40. Some long term diabetics wait for 3 drops between 40 -50 on 3 different days for kitties that don't hold reductions well. But, this time around, you don't know that yet.

Let's see what others think.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Technically he is a long term diabetic and you would reduce below 40. Some long term diabetics wait for 3 drops between 40 -50 on 3 different days for kitties that don't hold reductions well. But, this time around, you don't know that yet.

Let's see what others think.
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Um, pmps was 49. What do I do?
 
Shot time is 5:30 Eastern. I can delay up 30 minutes, but longer than that means somebody misses soccer practice tomorrow, and I can't do that.

He's not hypo. He's perched on the back of the couch, watching me and the food bowl, which now just turned so he jumped down and trotted over...but there is nothing in it.
 
MindyC said:
Um, pmps was 49. What do I do?
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Well, I saw that coming. Stall without feeding for 30 minutes and retest. If he is over 50 then shoot as long as someone can monitor him. Start with getting a +1 and +2. Hopefully, you will be able to shoot, drop off to soccer and come back.
 
No practice tonight, just tomorrow. Schedules are tight around here to keep him on 12/12. I will delay 30 and retest.

And yes, you did see that coming. :p
 
MindyC said:
tomorrow
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I missed you said tomorrow and I get now you were saying you couldn't be off your schedule. You can regain your shot schedule by 30 minutes a day or 15 minutes in each cycle if that helps.

Oh, good, that gives you a lot of wiggle room tonight for testing.

I am going to tag @Gill & George to see what she thinks as far as reduction seeing how he is technically a long term diabetic.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I missed you said tomorrow and I get now you were saying you couldn't be off your schedule. You can regain your shot schedule by 30 minutes a day or 15 minutes in each cycle if that helps.

Oh, good, that gives you a lot of wiggle room tonight for testing.

I am going to tag @Gill & George to see what she thinks as far as reduction seeing how he is technically a long term diabetic.
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Thanks! I’m kicking myself for not testing earlier. We were home, I just thought he’d be back on his way up so no big deal. :facepalm:
 
Hi sorry I took a while just been reading back through some of the previous condos.

What's with that red on the 5/6 anything weird happen that day? did he get into contraband?

He is technically a long term diabetic, but with him being in remission for 9 years and only diabetic for a short time....
Since the relapse is only a couple of months in.
My thoughts are to take the reduction, and see if he holds it, if you find he doesn't hold, then adopt the longterm diabetic approach to reductions (drops under 40)
MindyC said:
62. Do I reduce to .75U?
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Yes I think I would try it
 
Gill & George said:
Hi sorry I took a while just been reading back through some of the previous condos.

What's with that red on the 5/6 anything weird happen that day? did he get into contraband?

He is technically a long term diabetic, but with him being in remission for 9 years and only diabetic for a short time....
Since the relapse is only a couple of months in.
My thoughts are to take the reduction, and see if he holds it, if you find he doesn't hold, then adopt the longterm diabetic approach to reductions (drops under 40)

Yes I think I would try it
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Thanks Gill, I was thinking along those same lines but wasn't sure.
 
Even though you have reduced, the depot of the larger dose is still in charge, so you might see a lower early part of the cycle.
Given this is a lower PS than normal, I would recommend you get a +1 and +2. It looks like she is heading up as the pmps seems to be rising, so you may find this evening is a non event, but just monitor through the early part of the cycle and let the numbers be your guide.

Bobbie And Bubba said:
Thanks Gill, I was thinking along those same lines but wasn't sure.
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I'm not sure either, just want to be a bit careful as he's not long been back on insulin. I think if he proves he can't hold reductions then change tactic. We'll know soon enough how best to play it.
 
MindyC said:
Thank you both! I didn't mean to leave you hanging, trying not to burn dinner.

I shot .75U at about 6:10. We’ll see what happens.
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No problem. I was juggling TFS for Bubba. All is good. Get a +1 and post. Like Gill said, the higher depot could still be talking the first 1/2 of the cycle.
 
MindyC said:
79 @ +1. :D
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If you could get a +2 that might be a more telling of how this cycle could go. This +1 could be a little food bump. If the +2 is lower than the pre shot that could indicate an active cycle and some more testing would be required. Post the +2 and I will be looking for you. :cat:
 
Gill & George said:
Hi sorry I took a while just been reading back through some of the previous condos.

What's with that red on the 5/6 anything weird happen that day? did he get into contraband?

He is technically a long term diabetic, but with him being in remission for 9 years and only diabetic for a short time....
Since the relapse is only a couple of months in.
My thoughts are to take the reduction, and see if he holds it, if you find he doesn't hold, then adopt the longterm diabetic approach to reductions (drops under 40)

Yes I think I would try it
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Thanks for all your help, Gill. I have no idea what happened on 5/6 other than that maybe it was either a bounce from something I didn't catch, or I gave a fur shot and didn't realize it. He's never gotten into the dog food (my civvie does when he gets a chance), and I can't remember the last time he jumped up to anywhere other than the couch. He has arthritis in his hips, and only just today did I get the Adequan in the mail, so they haven't been treated yet.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
If you could get a +2 that might be a more telling of how this cycle could go. This +1 could be a little food bump. If the +2 is lower than the pre shot that could indicate an active cycle and some more testing would be required. Post the +2 and I will be looking for you. :cat:
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Thanks, Bobbie. I will get a +2 and adjust the feeder for second dinner so I can boost his food with some 14% if I need to.
 
Well...54 @ +2. Feeding 1 Tbsp of 14% and will let him finish however much of his regular second dinner he wants. Will get a +3...or should I do 2.5?
 
50 @ +2.5...give more 14% or let it ride for a bit? He ate more of the normal low carb after the 14%. My gut says he'll hold for now and we have to give him time for the food to sink in. He doesn't seem to respond super fast to food most of the time.
 
MindyC said:
50 @ +2.5...give more 14% or let it ride for a bit? He ate more of the normal low carb after the 14%. My gut says he'll hold for now and we have to give him time for the food to sink in. He doesn't seem to respond super fast to food most of the time.
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It 's awfully early in the cycle for him to be flirting with going under 50. Usually 30 minutes will show any food hikes. I would give some more 14 % and check in 30 minutes.
 
Just got that 14% (mostly gravy) in at +2.75. I don't want him to end up puking it all back up again. Will test again at +3.25...9:30 eastern.
 
MindyC said:
Moving in the right direction, or so it looks at the moment. 62 @ +3.25.
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Since Lantus onsets around +2 and he needed to be boosted up a bit, I would test again in 30 minutes. As long as he is holding here or higher, let him ride without any food. If he drops towards 50 again, you'll want to give him another tsp or so of 14%. Once you get 2 test 30 minutes apart without having to intervene without giving any food, he will probably surf the cycle for you. Then, I would grab another test before you go to bed to just make sure since he hasn't hit nadir yet.

I need to get my mom ready for bed. If you have any issues and need help, change your title again to reflect help. I'll try and peek in once more before I hit the sack.

Oh, and congratulations on the earned reduction!
 
Thank you, Bobbie, for all your help and input. It's really awesome of you, and I really appreciate it. Max is currently cuddled on my lap, with no intention of moving, so we're just hanging out. I'll post again if I think we're in trouble. :-)

Oooh...so in the morning, continue with the .75? Or should I drop for one cycle to .5 to drain some of the depot (I feel like that's a bad idea considering my one time drop to .5U on Saturday, but after tonight...I dunno)? I have to go to work tomorrow, so I'll be able to get a +2 before I leave, but won't be able to do much other than throw some food at him if he's low.
 
MindyC said:
Thank you, Bobbie, for all your help and input. It's really awesome of you, and I really appreciate it. Max is currently cuddled on my lap, with no intention of moving, so we're just hanging out. I'll post again if I think we're in trouble. :)

Oooh...so in the morning, continue with the .75? Or should I drop for one cycle to .5 to drain some of the depot (I feel like that's a bad idea considering my one time drop to .5U on Saturday, but after tonight...I dunno)? I have to go to work tomorrow, so I'll be able to get a +2 before I leave, but won't be able to do much other than throw some food at him if he's low.
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I would hold this dose of .75 tomorrow. Getting a + 2 before you leave will be helpful to give you an idea of how active the cycle could be. If he should throw a lower +2 than the AMPS, you can boost him up with some MC food and leave him some snacks in your timed feeder.

Good job shooting the green tonight! Yell if you need help.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I would hold this dose of .75 tomorrow. Getting a + 2 before you leave will be helpful to give you an idea of how active the cycle could be. If he should throw a lower +2 than the AMPS, you can boost him up with some MC food and leave him some snacks in your timed feeder.

Good job shooting the green tonight! Yell if you need help.
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Thank you! Have a good night!
 
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