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CandyH & Catcat

CandyH & Catcat

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could not get a "clean" AMPS today, Catcat was really fighting me (he's over it, I'm not) -- does not help when he jerks just as I'm about to prick ear, could not get a nice clean bead, not even enough to scoop up with sampling spoon, four meter strips -- FOUR -- all showed E-7 error code "not enough blood", then the blood coagulated so fast -- finally got a nice looking drop but it had solidified -- so I fed him his first part-meal as I usually do, tried to get an ear stick and couldn't -- half an hour later, during the rest of the meal, I finally got one (he was still struggling, had to test his blood smeared on the pad of my own finger -- so with all of this, it's probably higher than his actual fasting BGL would be -- 353 -- darn it all, his levels are going UP not down, though he's now more active, more vigorous, is gaining back his lost weight -- and he's started snapping and biting at me, even though he still comes over and cuddles and purrs
 
Don't feel bad. This happens a lot, especially at the beginning.

Spot was that way at first. She was a newly adopted diabetic cat and not very trusting. What I found that helped me was to get her used to having her ears touched. I would pet her often and would massage her ears while petting her. Try this and reward him with a low carb treat for letting you play with his ears. Freeze dried chicken is a great treat for cats. Plus massaging the ears helps to get the blood flowing and will make it easier for you to get blood for your test.
 
thanks, I feel a bit better now -- Catcat does NOT want his ears touched these days, not no way not nohow, he wants petting on his cheeks, under his chin, across the top of his head down to his scruff, and nowhere else -- has always attacked when belly or flanks were touched .. his ears look terrible, with all the bruising/hematomas from pricks when I couldn't get a cotton ball pressure afterwards -- I had hoped to get a +1 sample, but right now it's 20 minutes til +2

don't know what he's telling me, but today he deposited a fine fat mouse near my feet, with ONE ear chewed off -- :confused: --

(this was before I had enough brain power to get up and do the preshot, I am NOT a morning person, Catcat starts nudging us to wake at 5 AM)

guess he prefers FF, Wellness, SpecialKitty, etc... to mousie morsels

I've had Catcat for 4 years, since shortly after Krispy crossed the Rainbow Bridge and I found myself way short of vitamin Purr (Catcat's previous owners found their youngest son was allergic to animal dander of all sorts, so I adopted (via Craigslist) Catcat and his companion Mia, who decided she doesn't like women and does prefer to live outside only, over at my friend's cabin in the woods); he has always been a mellow sort of cat, so this yowl and fight and growl and bite is new, before he showed displeasure by a claws-retracted swat ...
 
I guess the solution for now is to test him WHILE he's eating rather than before I put the food down.. that may affect the measurement but now that I think about it, I'm not going for exact numbers, I'm going for the trends and the inferrable patterns ... 353 - PS > 195 - +2 -- that gives me numbers I can live with at the moment, and evidence to show vet that we might want to cautiously increase the Vetsulin dose .. wish I had been able to get a +1 test, and will try for a +3 .. suspect the nadir for him happens before +5 anyway and possibly before the +4
 
Some folk get blood from paw pads; there are videos on how to do this. It does get better. Maybe try larger diameter (smaller gauge number) lancets. Some folk recommend warming ear first. It's easy with M'row now, but oh! At first it sucked sometimes. The ears "learn" to bleed better with time. See Janet NJ video; this really, really helped me.
 
oh my, his ears have learned to bleed -- sluggishly into his fur -- these leftover (from 1998!) Accu-chek Softclix lancets, either 26 gauge or 28, don't know what year they changed, do a nice job, it's the cat ... he fights as soon as anything touches his ear, warm or not -- even with the distraction of food he's already started to eat, he struggles, flinches -- I suspect it might be even harder to use a paw pad (easier far for him to bite me) -- and yes, his ears continue to bleed after I've either gotten a sample, or the blood has smeared over too large an area to collect -- he fights having the bleed site compressed too -- but I keep reading that this will get better, it's just been a bad day today -- EXCEPT we got two numbers in the 100s today, which tells me the insulin dose is getting close to what we need it to be
 
another big fight this morning (last night too), I wonder sometimes if getting a preshot number is important enough to endure palm and back of hand clawed and bitten, yesterday's clawing seems to have infected despite my having washed hands immediately with soap and hand sanitizer -- awkward for me as it's my right palm which is what I use to manipulate computer mouse -- hubby helped hold him down this morning but it was a long drawn out session, he wound up massively peeing the bed, now that he's feeling better, he is stronger and more agile, more able to resist -- from now on, tests will be on the floor with a thick towel underneath him -- may go the Purrito route even though I imagine he will fight that too

thought about buying a Cat-In-The-Bag, priority is using available budget for test strips and low carb food, not sure if that would be enough for me to hang onto ear while he twists, squirms, and jerks ... I hate having to stab him rather than gently pricking ...

hubby's suggestion was that we let the vet do the preshot testing -- not hardly! for one thing, Catcat wakes us around 5 AM wanting food, I've been delaying that til 6:30, getting the AMPS and feeding about half of breakfast, then half an hour later, the rest of breakfast (5.5 oz low carb wet + ounce or two of water mixed) and the shot while he's eating (that doesn't seem to bother him)

then roughly 1/4 of a can of FF every hour and a half, which should take us through nadir and to half-cycle .. he would happily eat 5 cans of catfood daily, or more, he's gaining weight but I want the gain to be reasonably slow, so sticking to about 400 calories a day should be reasonable for a cat who would ideally weigh around 15 pounds

please keep telling me it will get better -- I chose to do only the preshot tests yesterday and will probably do same today, see his spreadsheet, it does look like we might be trending in the correct direction ..

also I'm looking for Lantus on Craigslist, there's one vial for sale in a neighboring town, not expired, kept in fridge, for about the same amount as local pharmacy is quoting for a pen -- and about the same price as from Mark's Marine when you consider the shipping charges
 
If you are stressed or nervous before you test, Catcat will pick up on it and that maybe causing part of his reaction to testing.

It may take a while, but getting him used to you handling his ears would be the best option. If you use restraints on him, that may stress him more and make it harder to test and give him insulin. Bribes and rewards with treats will work better.
 
Lisa and Witn (GA) said:
If you are stressed or nervous before you test, Catcat will pick up on it and that maybe causing part of his reaction to testing.

It may take a while, but getting him used to you handling his ears would be the best option. If you use restraints on him, that may stress him more and make it harder to test and give him insulin. Bribes and rewards with treats will work better.
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can't easily get away from the stress, without my taking enough tranquilizers that I'm groggy == long standing needle phobia, plus I don't really function well until about 10 AM even when I'm getting enough sleep -- and being awakened at 5 AM or even before, means I'm getting max 6 hours sleep when my body wants 9-10

it's a compromise, since he wants food at daybreak and is quite vehement about it, claws cabinet, drawers, bedclothes, tries to snag us

to begin with he rather liked having ears rubbed, scratched, fondled == no more! giving the insulin is piece of cake if he's gobbling his food -- but try to prick ear?? nope nope nope, growl hiss spit snap (trying to bite) claw, jerk head, etc etc

he gets seafood wet food right afterwards (even if I don't get the test I want), also bonito flakes -- saw freezedried whole herrings in local farm-and-pet store today, must evaluate if the $10 for a tiny bag is worth it, or if it would do the job of destressing him -- only one in stock so I may go back and get it
 
I can only test when Beast is eating his regular meal, but even then his is moving and very wary. Yours seems to be putting up more of a struggle. I hope it gets better for you. Did you see the video of the lady getting a scare cat used to shots? It helps some also get used to ear tests. It's a slow method, but maybe you will have some luck with it?
 
had seen that video before, just watched it again-- I''m snickering because no way would Catcat sit quietly while food was withdrawn === :rolleyes: === he'd be all over me, eagerly anxiously searching for it, grabbing out with paws, leaping down or at me === I do carefully show him the cotton ball and the lancet, then pet him, show him the can of catfood and pet him == the minute that cotton ball approaches or touches his ears, it's REEEOOWWWW, snarl and jerk away, hiss hiss hiss

if I open the can lid, his nose is into it ASAP, but if he feels anything near his ear, same song second verse

I'm hoping that the addition of the bonito flakes may make a difference, I'll try dealing them out one curl at a time, I don't read Japanese (granddaughter on Kauai does), but small print in English says ingredients are dried bonito (contains fish), I assume zero carb, which shouldn't affect BGL at that time, that quantity -- so I could put these down before I even twist the cap off the lancet (I freehand it, don't have the applicator but would do it this way in any case)
 
 
CandyH said:
seen that video before....I'm snickering because no way would Catcat sit quietly while food was withdrawn
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You mean like an episode of Law&Order? Murder, big investigation, apprehend suspect, lengthy trial, sequestered jury returns verdict all in just one hour! Looks pretty realistic to me where the sky is always blue and the litter cleans itself. :smuggrin: :rolleyes:
 
Couple things.

A tiny bit of neosporin (generic is fine) rubbed on edge of ear will make the blood bead and not soak into fur.

You may need to train or re-train as it were for him to accept the ear testing. If you are struggling and fighting with him, no good for either of you, plus will raise his numbers if he is all stressed. Right now he sees it as a stressful experience. You need to slowly work with him and turn it into an experience where it is not a big deal, just another part of his day. This will take time and patience, but cats are creatures of habit, once he gets it does not have to be a bad thing and if he is calm it will be over quick and he will get yummy treats, he will be a totally different cat. I did not believe it, in the beginning my cat would run away, the other day she was sleeping and I stuck her and she did not even wake up, crazy huh?

Here is how I got my cat to accept testing. Now she comes over to the testing area when she sees me getting everything ready and patiently waits for me to stick her, I kid you not.

Plain cooked chicken breast in tiny bite sized pieces is a good low carb treat, can cook up chop in bite size pieces and freeze small amounts in plastic bags and take a bag at a time out of freezer and will keep in fridge for 4 days, only give the treats at test /shot time no other time. It has to be a special, really yummy thing to entice them, if they can get it anytime what’s the big deal?

Find a spot designated for testing (I use for both testing and shots). I put a towel on the dryer in the laundry room, good height for me and harder for cat to run away.

Put the cat in the testing spot, give him a treat, talk softly and calmly, what a good boy, etc. put him down from testing spot, next time do the same, after a couple times now phase two, put him in test area, give treat but then gently touch his ear as you pet his head, don’t grab it, just touch, then give him another treat and put him down. After a few times of that (and we are talking doing this a few times a day, not back to back sessions) see if you can hold edge of ear (from back of head) between your thumb and index finger for 1-2 seconds, let go, say what a good kitty and a treat, then down off test station. After I got to this point, I took lancet device (using as “holder” only, I do not make it click by cats head, this scares some cats) and without anything in it just quickly touched to cats ear, like a pretend stick, treat, done and off testing station. Once you can work up to him accepting ears being touched, will get easier.

I never had luck with rubbing my cats ears, that just pissed her off.

There are some threads on testing, one person had a wild, feral cat and was eventually able to test their cat too without a struggle, so don’t lose hope.

If you slowly work up to this it should turn around. My cat did not like her ears being touched, now she does not care because she knows if she sits still she gets a treat.

I did this over a period of about a week and then started the actual testing. I also did this before starting insulin just because I wanted to make sure I got to a point where it was not stressful for me or the cat. Since you are already in the middle of it may be a bit more challenging, but definitely can be done.

I will also say when I first tried I was at a point my cat was running away and I was so sure I would never be able to get her tested without a struggle or claw marks on my arm, that is when I gave it a break, regrouped, got some advice here and found a spot she could not run from and slowly got her used to the process. Treats and patience are key.
 
I am so sorry that you're having such a rough go at this! Poor Catcat. I wish I could offer some helpful advice, but I have a different situation. Alice has been too weak and poor-feeling to fight it, especially as we were establishing it more.
My guess is maybe he just needs to feel more secure over time. And for your sake would it be possible to wear some sort of gloves to help protect against those claws? You could even cut the fingertips off to feel what you're doing, if needed. You don't need an infection in your hand preventing you from doing your job!

And even though some of my struggles are different, I'm still going to reassure it will get better and easier. Think of where you were even two weeks ago. You have already come SO far from that beginning panic that it seems we all go through. You have information and supplies and you have learned so much. You're doing a great job and I know that it's a hard job and feels sort of desperate sometimes, but it is an Important job, and most importantly you are willing to try and that's more than many. I almost went off on a woman on Facebook today for saying she had to rehome her cat or she was going to euthanize him. A young, perfectly healthy cat. Hang in there.

I read somewhere on here, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Pace yourself, remember to breathe. :bighug:
 
Just so you know, I am not making this up:)

Mommy is getting her testing supplies ready and she is already waiting at her “testing station” ready to be picked up, poked and rewarded.

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he does have a definite personality // attitude -- I've had Siamese, or Siamese mixes, or Balinese, since I was a small child, and this "standard orange tabby" definitely has some of that in his background -- yet, every cat IS different, I enjoy getting to know them -- as I sit here at the computer, he's quite happy to have me rub and scritch his ears while he sprawls at my feet -- so all of you are right, it's MY anxiety and nervousness that's affecting him beyond what he feels otherwise -- but nobody else is going to do it, it's my kuleana (Hawaiian for responsibility, stewardship, care) --

I appreciate the support and encouragement, it's a godsend -- I basically dropped everything else I was doing other than going to the food banks to collect food for the family -- so for those of you playing Farm Town on Facebook, this is where I am -- the rest of the cousins are laying low and letting me have the computer 24/7

I used too much Neosporin first times I tried and it contaminated the blood sample, I now put it on AFTER I get one; the idea of gloves is a good one, I was thinking of that today on the way back from shopping, my son is a shade-tree mechanic at times, will see if he's got something that might work for my much smaller hands; usually I'd be about ready to clip (blunt) front claws, which I normally do when I notice them getting sharp, but I've messed with him enough lately, better to let that slide for awhile

no impervious surface up here in the loft, but that made me think -- possibly on the closed lid of the commode (it's adjacent to a wall), possibly on a towel laid over a midsized unmounted whiteboard, one I used to keep track of what was going on in the game, or back to the floor which is indoor/outdoor carpet

some cats quiet down when wrapped, will have to try it with him when I am *not* trying to do anything to him, for him, or make him do anything

I'm breathing, I'm breathing, I'm trying to listen to that internal posthypnotic voice that says "you can do it" -- smart counselor trying to get me calm enough to endure blood sampling on ME ... thank goodness for Ativan/lorazepam and its induced amnesia

I feel hugged, here are hugs back :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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Bless your heart and Catcat's. Zoe was wild like that at first, well I just couldn't catch her and if I looked like I was going to do something she was off and running. I would end up grabbing her tail and pulling her from behind stuff (only happened a few times and she wasn't hurt!) I was so stressed and in the mornings had to be at work on time and I know that she picked up on that fact. She adored Temptations and I know they are not good for them but she would come for those. I would give her a few to get her on her spot on the arm of sofa and then reward after prick/shot. Now she comes willingly without treat and even will come when called when doing it every hour for a curve! I use the same spot (sofa) every time. It is no big deal now, though sometimes she does flick when blood comes out and I get near with the meter. Are you using a plain lancet or do you use the little thing that comes with meter to put lancet in? I know it is awkward and scary at first but it seems easier on the ear to use the spring loaded lancet than free handed prick the ear. Find anything he likes and uses as a reward and dont worry about the carb so much at first. Once they get used to and expecting a reward you can switch to a lower carb appropriate treat. Good luck! This too will pass.
 
he scarfed down the pre-test bonito flakes, turned up nose at human-food shrimp, I tested and fed him just a little earlier than usual because he had a very small vomit (slightly brownish fluid, no solids), and I remember several mentioning that cats do sometimes vomit bile when they are starved/hungry -- he hadn't had anything since 1 PM -- 5 hours, except possibly some grass from outside -- will dish up the rest of his evening feed in a few minutes, and shoot the insulin, at least he doesn't react by more than a twitch if I shoot as he eats
 
CandyH said:
could not get a "clean" AMPS today, Catcat was really fighting me (he's over it, I'm not) -- does not help when he jerks just as I'm about to prick ear, could not get a nice clean bead, not even enough to scoop up with sampling spoon, four meter strips -- FOUR -- all showed E-7 error code "not enough blood", then the blood coagulated so fast -- finally got a nice looking drop but it had solidified -- so I fed him his first part-meal as I usually do, tried to get an ear stick and couldn't -- half an hour later, during the rest of the meal, I finally got one (he was still struggling, had to test his blood smeared on the pad of my own finger -- so with all of this, it's probably higher than his actual fasting BGL would be -- 353 -- darn it all, his levels are going UP not down, though he's now more active, more vigorous, is gaining back his lost weight -- and he's started snapping and biting at me, even though he still comes over and cuddles and purrs
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Don’t feel bad! It gets easier! We all started where you are. My diabetic guy is super mellow and I can’t even tell you how many times I cried that first week or so testing. I was so frustrated with myself just wanting to do what was right for my guy. He wouldn’t sit still at all. I either couldn’t get blood or couldn’t get the blood on the test strip. I even tried the finger nail trick and just ended up with blood smeared on my finger and none for the test strip! He hated getting his ear warmed and still does lol I ordered new freeze dried chicken and freeze dried shrimp. I even tried regular shrimp! Nothing worked. Finally in a desperate move, I ordered even more treats. This time I got freeze dried turkey treats in catnip. They worked wonders! It seemed like he would do ANYTHING for them. Even let me test him. He’s still wiggly and you can’t just give him at treat and test. He’ll only hang around if you keep him chewing lol. The bag was small and didn’t last nearly long enough for the price but by then he was in a routine and was willing to settle for freeze dried chicken that I tossed in the left over catnip lol His goofy non-diabetic brother finally realize there are treats involved in all this testing (it took him months to catch on) and now when I get the supplies out both of them come running lol
 
catnip! thank you -- I hadn't tried catnip -- I think I still have some dry leaves in a bag that a friend sent me, from his garden -- commercial stuff just smells like dust to me and possibly also to cats -- my stepson feeds his cat the Temptation medley with catnip and his cat goes crazy over it ... but -- carbs galore!

Catcat does get excited over the bonito curls ... luckily we have four Asian type groceries about 45 minutes drive away, probably more the opposite direction same distance -- hubby had other business in the area there so stopped at the first one he saw .. bag says made in Japan, my feeling this is better than, say, Thailand

I may bite the bullet and get that pricey bag of dried whole herring --- have yet to find a cat so picky that they won't eat fish

with all your cheering and support and helpfulness and hugs, I got a decent blood droplet first try :), and Catcat was busy enough eating that he didn't shy away from the scooping spoon -- how he senses its approach I don't know, I'm kneeling behind him, holding the spoon handle in my mouth until I can put the lancet down and collect the blood available off the back of his ear ...
 
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catnip! thank you -- I hadn't tried catnip -- I think I still have some dry leaves in a bag that a friend sent me, from his garden -- commercial stuff just smells like dust to me and possibly also to cats -- my stepson feeds his cat the Temptation medley with catnip and his cat goes crazy over it ... but -- carbs galore!

Catcat does get excited over the bonito curls ... luckily we have four Asian type groceries about 45 minutes drive away, probably more the opposite direction same distance -- hubby had other business in the area there so stopped at the first one he saw .. bag says made in Japan, my feeling this is better than, say, Thailand

I may bite the bullet and get that pricey bag of dried whole herring --- have yet to find a cat so picky that they won't eat fish

with all your cheering and support and helpfulness and hugs, I got a decent blood droplet first try :), and Catcat was busy enough eating that he didn't shy away from the scooping spoon -- how he senses its approach I don't know, I'm kneeling behind him, holding the spoon handle in my mouth until I can put the lancet down and collect the blood available off the back of his ear ...
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Yay glad you got a good test in!!! :D

I have freeze dried salmon that none of my cats seem to understand. Go figure. Alice loves the pure bites chicken breast and duck liver so far the most. She didn't care for the pure bites chicken and catnip and I don't know why. :b
 
sigh of relief this morning, Catcat went for the bonito curls like there was no tomorrow -- I had an AHA moment, he was so intent on them that I got a prick with minimum yowl-and-squirm, then LET GO, put down a couple more curls, and his vigorous pursuit of those got the blood droplet swelling better than I ever did with massaging/milking -- then moved the meter closely enough that with only a minimum yowl and dodge, I got a reading (242) which is nearly the same as his PMPS last night (241) -- thank the universe, the guiding spirit, his guardian angel, whatever, I got the very last Confirm meter in the area, and it reads from only a .3 ml sample, no way was I getting the .5 ml sample that the ReliOn Prime required .. still have had error messages of "not enough blood" even with this one, due to struggles, head flicks, blood coagulating before I could get meter into it, oozes into ear fur even with Neosporin applied ...

followup with vet coming next week, I'm beginning to think the tooth problem she noticed and mentioned, might be adding to the high glucose, or may even have been what kicked the diabetes off .. he's looking far more like himself rather than the cadaverous disaster he was pre-diagnosis -- have no idea what was going on while we were away, son has no idea either (he was caretaker for four months) -- wasn't lack of food, and the barncats also under his care are still healthy and sassy (and feral)

going to keep using those bonito curls -- will try to get a test somewhere around +3 which I suspect might be close to nadir (see his spreadsheet) -- but don't want to pile on with his stress (and mine)

time for insulin now -- he is staring at me saying "time for the rest of my breakfast"
 
Great job! And yes, a tooth issue will raise sugar, often considerably. Once that is addressed, likely will need a reduction in insulin, people on Vetsulin board can help with that when the time comes.
 
good thing that I went and bought some U-100 syringes with half unit markings -- and there's a conversion chart posted here -- with the single unit markings on the ones the vet supplied/sold, it would be more difficult to measure the exact amount -- hard enough as it is with aging eyes to get even a precise 1 unit
 
CandyH said:
thank you, need all the encouragement I can get, :joyful: -- thinking, hoping, we are on an upward trend -- oh, here comes Catcat, time for first morning snack ... :cat:
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Be aware too that even on an upward trend, the road may be a little bouncy, the path a little confusing at times. But what's important is that you and Cat at are capable of doing your best together so he can have healthier quality time.

Getting into remission is great but if that does not happen, no matter what you are helping him feel better.
Even when Alice's numbers aren't "perfect" I can see how she perks up when they are at a more comfortable level.
Sometimes I remind myself (for many things,like cleaning my horrible house for example): Progress, not perfection.
Anything good is good, regardless of the bad.
Hope exhausted me made sense.

(Every time I have to prick Alice's ear I tell her, "I know you don't like it and we still have to do it. I'm so sorry. I know.")

I hope you and Catcat have a nice day together. :cat:
 
ironic you should say that :D -- +3 was 241, +4 was 280 o_O -- either my shot was a fur shot, he got into food left out for neighbor's cat (I need to make sure he's not doing that any more), or he's bouncing.... :arghh:
 
road is bouncy, path is confusing -- glad you warned me -- AMPS 242; +3 241 (where was nadir?); +4 280 :confused:; PMPS 221 :bookworm: -- Catcat is NOT going by the book

I'm definitely going to make sure he gets mini meals at +1, 2, 3 tonight .. if he's coming down from a bounce I don't want him to trough overnight

tomorrow's Thursday, I don't have to go anywhere until close to 4 in the afternoon, so I can keep a close eye on him

sent a link to his spreadsheet to the vet today, haven't heard anything back yet but she may not see that until tomorrow

all in all a good day, Puget Sound area gets a few beautiful ones in May, come June it starts raining and recapitulating very early spring again

no word yet on the Lantus, possibly it'll wind up with Natalie and Ziggy instead
 
CandyH said:
could not get a "clean" AMPS today, Catcat was really fighting me (he's over it, I'm not) -- does not help when he jerks just as I'm about to prick ear, could not get a nice clean bead, not even enough to scoop up with sampling spoon, four meter strips -- FOUR -- all showed E-7 error code "not enough blood", then the blood coagulated so fast -- finally got a nice looking drop but it had solidified -- so I fed him his first part-meal as I usually do, tried to get an ear stick and couldn't -- half an hour later, during the rest of the meal, I finally got one (he was still struggling, had to test his blood smeared on the pad of my own finger -- so with all of this, it's probably higher than his actual fasting BGL would be -- 353 -- darn it all, his levels are going UP not down, though he's now more active, more vigorous, is gaining back his lost weight -- and he's started snapping and biting at me, even though he still comes over and cuddles and purrs
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Are Cat Cat’s eats cold to the touch? I have to blow on Nairobi’s ears to get a good drop
 
oh my :woot: -- test tonight at +2-3/4 (a little early for +3 cuz I'm tired) >>> 153

so near "normal" !!! I gave him a full can of Fancy Feast, I'm guessing this is close to nadir for tonight

we'll see if he bounces tomorrow -- and I'll start a new thread, this one is getting long

thanks for your help, support, hugs, etc etc -- they make a big difference
 
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