Bubba 2/13 AMPS=93 , +3.5=64

Bobbie And Bubba

Bobbie And Bubba

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2/11

Good Morning L, B, & L ~

Bubba was bit higher this morning. I found some hard and some soft poo in the LB after T/F/S so maybe his tummy was a bit upset. At least I think it was Bubba's poo as Forrest usually goes outside to do his business. But, last night I know that Forrest had a mess on his bum ( and momma) so it could have been him. Who knows? :rolleyes:

Vines for all Beans and Kitties in need.


ETA: Has anyone heard how Giomax is doing or CharO ( Samhi)
 
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Hey Bubba! That 64 is look'in good yesterday & today.
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Olive & Paula said:
Nice Bubba. Forrest is there a need to paint mama?

Have no idea on Giomax. Not aware of Char0 at all, somehow missed them all together.

What about Janine & Floyd and Amanda and Shmee. Haven't heard from them in ages.

I was thinking of Squalliesmom yesterday.
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@Amanda & Shmee did stop by Jeff's Leoberry update thread, but no update on Shmee. Maybe she'll stop by here to give us an update with this tag...
 
Bronx's dad said:
Hi Bobbie! Bronx is chugging along pretty good, his numbers have been real good :) (knock on wood), but his walking hasn't approved :(. I do need to do an update but don't want to jinx him!
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Oh, Paul, I am so sorry his walking hasn't improved. Is it arthritis or neuropathy? Are you giving the zobaline?
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Oh, Paul, I am so sorry his walking hasn't improved. Is it arthritis or neuropathy? Are you giving the zobaline?
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Neuropathy. He can't walk on his front paws, walks on lower limb most of the time. I am using a B-12 in Methylcobalamin form with folic acid that is a little stronger than Zobaline twice a day. So far, no improvement.
 
Bronx's dad said:
Neuropathy. He can't walk on his front paws, walks on lower limb most of the time. I am using a B-12 in Methylcobalamin form with folic acid that is a little stronger than Zobaline twice a day. So far, no improvement.
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It is the opposite for most kitties with neuropathy, the hind legs are effected.

I thought the Zobaline was the Methylcobalamin . I could be wrong on this.
Can you up it to 3 times a day. It is my understanding that it is water soluble any excess will be peed out. How about posting a question to how much you can give?
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
@Bronx's dad , I just checked my Zobaline, and it is methylcobalamin 3 mg. Is your a higher dose?

Zobaline, methyl 3 mg
Folic acid 200 mg.
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I'm using 4mg methyl in capsules that I spinkle over his food & a drop of liquid Folic which is 200mcg. So it is a little stronger than Zobaline. He seems to like it too which is a tad strange, maybe because it makes his food look pink :p
 
Bronx's dad said:
I know extra B-12 is released through the urine, but there's gotta be some side effects of way too much B-12, no?
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I don't think so, it is water soluble , so any unused B-12 is excreted through the urine. I think it would be a good idea to start a thread with B-12 question so that those using a higher dose for neuropathy can weigh in. We have got to get Bronx walking better. :bighug:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I don't think so, it is water soluble , so any unused B-12 is excreted through the urine. I think it would be a good idea to start a thread with B-12 question so that those using a higher dose for neuropathy can weigh in. We have got to get Bronx walking better. :bighug:
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That's a good idea, maybe on the main forum instead? Wonder what gets more eyes?
 
Bronx's dad said:
About 4-6 months. Doubled the dose about a month ago. His BG numbers have been great too for over 2 months which is supposed to be the main thing to help.
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Lots of info on the "B's" here.

https://www.felinecrf.org/vitamin_b.htm

Is he pee'ing a lot (excessive)? Have you had xrays done to rule out any other issues?

You can get injectable methylcobalamin.

Methylcobalamin
Diamondback Drugs Sell injectable methylcobalamin. It is not mentioned on their site but members of my support group have obtained it from them with no problems. It costs US$39.95 for a 5ml vial of 1000 mcg/ml (1 mg/ml) strength plus US$10 shipping, with a three month expiration date. They also sell cyanocobalamin if required.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Lots of info on the "B's" here.

https://www.felinecrf.org/vitamin_b.htm

Is he pee'ing a lot (excessive)? Have you had xrays done to rule out any other issues?

You can get injectable methylcobalamin.

Methylcobalamin
Diamondback Drugs Sell injectable methylcobalamin. It is not mentioned on their site but members of my support group have obtained it from them with no problems. It costs US$39.95 for a 5ml vial of 1000 mcg/ml (1 mg/ml) strength plus US$10 shipping, with a three month expiration date. They also sell cyanocobalamin if required.
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My vet ordered for me don't know where. 100 cc bottle of 1000 mcg/mg. $40. I only give 0.25 cc will be monthly, its a life time supply.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Lots of info on the "B's" here.

https://www.felinecrf.org/vitamin_b.htm

Is he pee'ing a lot (excessive)? Have you had xrays done to rule out any other issues?

You can get injectable methylcobalamin.

Methylcobalamin
Diamondback Drugs Sell injectable methylcobalamin. It is not mentioned on their site but members of my support group have obtained it from them with no problems. It costs US$39.95 for a 5ml vial of 1000 mcg/ml (1 mg/ml) strength plus US$10 shipping, with a three month expiration date. They also sell cyanocobalamin if required.
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Thanks for that link! I am going to copy it and study it. I wasn't aware that kitties with CKD needed B12. It just so happens that I was giving it to Forrest for his weak hind leg issue after the hard large feces he passed. I am only giving it to him once a day (zobaline) maybe I should increase it to twice a day.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Lots of info on the "B's" here.

https://www.felinecrf.org/vitamin_b.htm

Is he pee'ing a lot (excessive)? Have you had xrays done to rule out any other issues?
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Thanks for that link Lizzie. He started drinking a lot (and pee'ing more) about 6-8 months ago. I will bring him in for a script, might be the way to go. No x-rays. I showed the vet a video of him walking a while back and she said right away "oh that's neuropathy" and insisted I do a fructosamine test which I told her was useless and that's where the conversation ended. That site mentions twitching, he has been twitching his two front legs for years. Can they do a full "B" panel to see what B he may be lacking?
 
Olive & Paula said:
I have methyl.
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Interesting! I haven't heard of anyone using the injectable. Gizmo got cyanocobalamin shots 1x/week.

Bronx's dad said:
Can they do a full "B" panel to see what B he may be lacking?
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I believe so. I think @Marje and Gracie has mentioned something about it, but my memory could be wrong.

Bobbie And Bubba said:
I am only giving it to him once a day (zobaline) maybe I should increase it to twice a day.
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I didn't use Zobaline, I just used B12 (much more cost effective). Gizmo got 1/2 capsule (1/16 teaspoon) with AM/PM PS food. He also got 1/64 teaspoon (drop measuring spoon) of B complex AM/PM PS and 25U B12 (cyanocobalamin) 1x/week.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046IET7C/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016003Z0/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
Bronx's dad said:
Thanks for that link Lizzie. He started drinking a lot (and pee'ing more) about 6
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Hi Paul I'm wondering if part of the problem, if he's peeing a lot whether that means he's also pering out lots of the b vitamins? And wether that means he needs more supplementation?
On the CRF site Lizzie linked is very informative, it covers dosages as well.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Interesting! I haven't heard of anyone using the injectable. Gizmo got cyanocobalamin shots 1x/week.
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I thought Dr was getting the cyan form because we discussing Olive's lack of energy. My only knowledge of B vitamins was it helped with energy except the methyl for neuropathy. Actually the link posted above doesn't mention any of the Bs helping with that. In the section cyan vs methyl I'm glad I have methyl. It seems the cyan isn't to well received. But maybe that's what I perceived.

Sorry for all the highjinks Bobbie.
 
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Gill & George said:
Hi Paul I'm wondering if part of the problem, if he's peeing a lot whether that means he's also pering out lots of the b vitamins? And wether that means he needs more supplementation?
On the CRF site Lizzie linked is very informative, it covers dosages as well.
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Hi Gill,

Nice to hear from you. You were so helpful when I was overwhelmed back when this all started back in late 2016.

I just started B-Complex. I have some for myself and sprinkled some in his food this morn. The excessive drinking thing confuses me since he stopped doing that when I got him out of the reds and blacks, and this all started again when he is mostly staying under the renal threshold. Vet says do a fructosamine since urine still showed sugar over the last few tests but I think I just took a sample at the wrong time. I have a empty vial and trying to catch him here peeing to bring it in. There is no way he should show sugar now since he has been staying under the renal threshold now for like 2 months.
 
Gill & George said:
Hi Paul I'm wondering if part of the problem, if he's peeing a lot whether that means he's also pering out lots of the b vitamins?
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That was the reasoning behind my question :D

Bronx's dad said:
I just started B-Complex. I have some for myself and sprinkled some in his food this morn
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B Complex can be over dosed so be careful with that one. Dosing is 1/10th of a capsule/day on the B Complex (using the B-Right I linked above).
 
Bronx's dad said:
Hi Gill,

Nice to hear from you. You were so helpful when I was overwhelmed back when this all started back in late 2016.

I just started B-Complex. I have some for myself and sprinkled some in his food this morn. The excessive drinking thing confuses me since he stopped doing that when I got him out of the reds and blacks, and this all started again when he is mostly staying under the renal threshold. Vet says do a fructosamine since urine still showed sugar over the last few tests but I think I just took a sample at the wrong time. I have a empty vial and trying to catch him here peeing to bring it in. There is no way he should show sugar now since he has been staying under the renal threshold now for like 2 months.
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How's his kidney function? Increased drinking may be a result of poor kidney function or kidney infection/inflammation or even increased stomach acid.
Take a look at more info here
https://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_regulation_body_fluid.htm
Since the last labs were 6 months ago if you are feeling that the drinking has increased, I might get another panel done see if anything shows up there
 
Gill & George said:
How's his kidney function? Increased drinking may be a result of poor kidney function or kidney infection/inflammation or even increased stomach acid.
Take a look at more info here
https://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_regulation_body_fluid.htm
Since the last labs were 6 months ago if you are feeling that the drinking has increased, I might get another panel done see if anything shows up there
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Vet suspects Sterile Cystitis and does not want to do invasive surgery to find out. Shows blood in urine almost every time and he does hang out by the litter box at times. I capture the urine at home so no chance of needle causing blood. No cure but I give him a good amount of D-Mannose every day & vet prescribed Gaba and that has seemed to lessen the litter box hang outs.

Bobbie, so sorry. I really should've started my own thread.
 
Bronx's dad said:
Vet suspects Sterile Cystitis and does not want to do invasive surgery to find out. Shows blood in urine almost every time and he does hang out by the litter box at times. I capture the urine at home so no chance of needle causing blood. No cure but I give him a good amount of D-Mannose every day & vet prescribed Gaba and that has seemed to lessen the litter box hang outs.

Bobbie, so sorry. I really should've started my own thread.
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No , stay here, this is great information, I am learning.
 
Bronx's dad said:
Thanks for that link Lizzie. He started drinking a lot (and pee'ing more) about 6-8 months ago. I will bring him in for a script, might be the way to go. No x-rays. I showed the vet a video of him walking a while back and she said right away "oh that's neuropathy" and insisted I do a fructosamine test which I told her was useless and that's where the conversation ended. That site mentions twitching, he has been twitching his two front legs for years. Can they do a full "B" panel to see what B he may be lacking?
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It’s called a GI Panel run through Texas A&M historically but I don’t know if other labs are now doing it. It consists of a cobalamin, a folate, a TLI for exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, and specfPl for pancreatitis. If you are certain that the last two are not an issue, you can get just the cobalamin and folate tests run.
 
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