12/18 Yoyo AMPS 268,+2.5 121,+3 92,+4 79,+4.75 84,+5 87,+6 115,PMPS 306,+2 288,+4 229,

carfurby said:
Nice to see a yellow start today. I hope Yoyo heads down and surfs.
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Thank you for sending the link with the caliper information. I understand one will get a consistent measurement of insulin each time when using calipers but that consistent dosage is going to be in syringes where the stopper may or may not go above or below the zero line. That is where I am confused! Wouldn't there still be the inconsistency of getting the consistent dosage? Please let me know if I am not understanding this correctly. Thanks again for your time. Hope you are having a good day and that Furball is doing GREAT!
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
Thank you for sending the link with the caliper information. I understand one will get a consistent measurement of insulin each time when using calipers but that consistent dosage is going to be in syringes where the stopper may or may not go above or below the zero line. That is where I am confused! Wouldn't there still be the inconsistency of getting the consistent dosage? Please let me know if I am not understanding this correctly. Thanks again for your time. Hope you are having a good day and that Furball is doing GREAT!
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When you use calipers you ignore the zero line. You measure from the edge of the syringe. That way if the zero line is off, it won't affect the dose. Hope that makes sense.
 
carfurby said:
When you use calipers you ignore the zero line. You measure from the edge of the syringe. That way if the zero line is off, it won't affect the dose. Hope that makes sense.
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I am still stuck on the plunger/stoppero_O.... when you push the plunger the stopper will only go as far as that syringe allows. Even though you measure from the edge of the syringe, to me there will or will not be extra insulin in the syringe that Yoyo may or may not receive. Does it make sense what I am writing? Maybe I am not saying it correctly.
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
I am still stuck on the plunger/stoppero_O.... when you push the plunger the stopper will only go as far as that syringe allows. Even though you measure from the edge of the syringe, to me there will or will not be extra insulin in the syringe that Yoyo may or may not receive. Does it make sense what I am writing? Maybe I am not saying it correctly.
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I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. If you are saying there may be extra insulin in the tip of the syringe where the needle is, there always will be.
 
carfurby said:
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. If you are saying there may be extra insulin in the tip of the syringe where the needle is, there always will be.
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Sorry that I am being so thick headed....I know that there will be insulin in the tip of the syringe....the part that I'm stuck on is.....that no matter how one measures the stopper will always stop where that syringe is set from the manufacturer. So any insulin above the zero line where the stopper will approx stop is the amount of insulin that the cat will NOT get.....does that make sense? (And that amount of insulin is part of the caliper measurement).
 
I think I get what you are saying. If you have a syringe where the stopper does not go all the way to the end insulin will be stuck there. If that is the case, you should not use that syringe. Do you get a lot of syringes like that?
 
carfurby said:
I think I get what you are saying. If you have a syringe where the stopper does not go all the way to the end insulin will be stuck there. If that is the case, you should not use that syringe. Do you get a lot of syringes like that?
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Thank you for your patience with me and all my questions! The BD syringes have the largest gap from the Zero Line to the edge of the syringe. There is a big space where there is a residual of insulin that remains in the syringe afte giving the injection. I called the company and they confirmed that there is a residual amount left in the syringe. The insulin that would be measured with the caliper I beleive would not all get into the cat. Now with the Ulti-care and Surecomfort syringes, the edge of the syringe is much closer to the Zero line where the stopper should stop. Then I can understand that the caliper measurement is consistent, but with the BD syringes there is such a BIG gap to the edge of the syringe to the zero line.
I hope I haven't made a pain of myself and I promise not to bother you with questions about the syringe again but the accuracy just bothers me and I want to give Yoyo the correct amount of insulin as cats are receiving such small dosages. I wish someone would made syringes just for cats!
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
I wish someone would made syringes just for cats!
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YES! That's what we all want! These tiny doses are difficult to manage.

Sadly, I think if these manufacturers made syringes just for animals, they would be so expensive that most people would not buy them anyway. Case in point, Alphatrak. I suspect there is no reason to charge twice what we pay for human test strips and meters other than the fact that they can.

Debra,
I am confused by your question. Is it different from one syringe to the other on the BD syringes? If they all work the same way, the dose would still be consistent, just not the number that you are entering into your ss. While accuracy would be good, the most important thing is consistency.

Yay for today's green, btw! Hope Yoyo gives you a nice surf! :D:D:D
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
YES! That's what we all want! These tiny doses are difficult to manage.

Sadly, I think if these manufacturers made syringes just for animals, they would be so expensive that most people would not buy them anyway. Case in point, Alphatrak. I suspect there is no reason to charge twice what we pay for human test strips and meters other than the fact that they can.

Debra,
I am confused by your question. Is it different from one syringe to the other on the BD syringes? If they all work the same way, the dose would still be consistent, just not the number that you are entering into your ss. While accuracy would be good, the most important thing is consistency.

Yay for today's green, btw! Hope Yoyo gives you a nice surf! :D:D:D
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The BD syringe has the largest gaps from the edge of the syringe to the Zero line. The Ulti-care and Surecomfort have the zero line much - much closer to the edge of the syringe. The BD syringes also have the most flexible stopper that goes way past the zero line. The only reason that I am using the BD syringe is becaues it has CLEAN STRAIGHT lines unlike ulti-care and surecomfort which have THICK sloppy lines if at all printed. And it is hard to line up the stopper/ringer on those thick lines. With the BD syringe, I just line it right up because the lines on the syringe are so skinny and straight. But I am throwing more than half the bag out because of the flexible stoppers going way past the zero line. In fact, I am throwing out my money!
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I need to go recheck Yoyo as he was last at 79 and my nerves are on edge with that low number. I fed him, and hopefully he is coming up or I will get out the MC food.
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
YES! That's what we all want! These tiny doses are difficult to manage.

Sadly, I think if these manufacturers made syringes just for animals, they would be so expensive that most people would not buy them anyway. Case in point, Alphatrak. I suspect there is no reason to charge twice what we pay for human test strips and meters other than the fact that they can.

Debra,
I am confused by your question. Is it different from one syringe to the other on the BD syringes? If they all work the same way, the dose would still be consistent, just not the number that you are entering into your ss. While accuracy would be good, the most important thing is consistency.

Yay for today's green, btw! Hope Yoyo gives you a nice surf! :D:D:D
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I may not have answered your question.....The BD syringes are all different. Some with LARGE gaps, some small gaps and some actually line up with the zero line.
 
Yoyo is already deep into the cycle, and 79 is a safe number so don't worry.
Congrats on the reduction! :D
Yoyo is progressing beautifully :)
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
YES! That's what we all want! These tiny doses are difficult to manage.

Sadly, I think if these manufacturers made syringes just for animals, they would be so expensive that most people would not buy them anyway. Case in point, Alphatrak. I suspect there is no reason to charge twice what we pay for human test strips and meters other than the fact that they can.

Debra,
I am confused by your question. Is it different from one syringe to the other on the BD syringes? If they all work the same way, the dose would still be consistent, just not the number that you are entering into your ss. While accuracy would be good, the most important thing is consistency.

Yay for today's green, btw! Hope Yoyo gives you a nice surf! :D:D:D
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Yoyo's +4.75 went up only 5 points after food. Should I give him some MC food? Please advise.
 
You'll want to keep testing to make sure he is still coming up. As a matter of fact, I would stop feeding him unless it is his regular meal time. Let him come up on his own.
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
You'll want to keep testing to make sure he is still coming up. As a matter of fact, I would stop feeding him unless it is his regular meal time. Let him come up on his own.
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He has had his normal amount of food until his PMPS. Poor boy is hungry! He ate all his rations...lol
 
Is it possible he's going lower again. A lot of times Bailey does that when she is still dropping. How long since the last test?

You can always give him a tsp of food to appease him. His numbers are high enough that I don't think you need to worry.
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
The BD syringes also have the most flexible stopper that goes way past the zero line.
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You're not being a bother by asking questions. Keep asking if you need to. This is the key. Does the stopper go all the way in to the end of the syringe? If it does, and you are using calipers, you wouldn't have to throw syringes away. You ignore the lines when you measure with calipers. It takes getting used to. You measure from where the stopper goes all the way into the syringe (even if it is below the zero line) and that acts as your zero line.

It looks like Yoyo is surfing safely right now. I think you can hold off on any extra food. I'd get another test at +6.
 
carfurby said:
It looks like Yoyo is surfing safely right now. I think you can hold off on any extra food. I'd get another test at +6.
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Thanks for your input Carla.
Debra says Yoyo had eaten all of his regular food, but he was still very hungry. What would you have recommended Debra do?
 
carfurby said:
You're not being a bother by asking questions. Keep asking if you need to. This is the key. Does the stopper go all the way in to the end of the syringe? If it does, and you are using calipers, you wouldn't have t

o throw syringes away. You ignore the lines when you measure with calipers. It takes getting used to. You measure from where the stopper goes all the way into the syringe (even if it is below the zero line) and that acts as your zero line.

It looks like Yoyo is surfing safely right now. I think you can hold off on any extra food. I'd get another test at +6.
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I didn't know that you use the zero line as to where the stopper ends. I didn't hear that part on the link,now it all makes sense. All I thought is that you use the syringe edge as one starting point with the top line of caliper and then use the measurement from the caliper to the bottom line of caliper.
 
Beautiful surf in healing numbers today. :D

For the last couple months of her life, Neko’s dose was under the zero line on the BD syringes. I figured it was more like 0.25 units. I used calipers cause the zero line was never placed consistently.
 
Hopefully, one day, all syringes will be regulated or made specifically for small pets. Sorry about Neko, we never want to loose them, they are in our hearts forever.
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
Thanks for your input Carla.
Debra says Yoyo had eaten all of his regular food, but he was still very hungry. What would you have recommended Debra do?
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I just want to be sure about the reduction....tonight I give Yoyo .25Unit? (I hope he is high enough for me to give him insulin).
 
carfurby said:
Congrats on the reducie. It looks like a bounce night so maybe you'll be able to get some sleep.
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I want to Thank You and @Rosie & Bailey for all your help and kindness. I hope you both know that you are Wonderful Individuals and Greatly Appreciated. I can't stop thanking you both for all the support and advise that you give me daily. I hope you both have an enjoyable evening!
 
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