11/30Ravan/amps 52/+1 65/+3 51/+5 44/+7 61/+8 64/+11 60/pmps185/+1 145/+4 126/+7 107/+10 171/

I don't normally give advice about this, but I definitely would not shoot that, especially considering the night he had.
Hope someone chimes in with a plan soon so you don't have to skip completely, but it really looks like a NS day to me.
 
It just clicked in my brain that you mentioned stalling. I don't think you can stall now. I think you need to get him above 50 asap, and not feeding can risk his safety. I think you need to feed, then wait for advice on what to do about his dose for today.
 
JoyBee&Ravan said:
Thank you Rosie for checking on us ! :):bighug:
As you can see you're the only one that has
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You're welcome. Sorry no one else responded.
You are doing a great job, and I'll be here for support. Hopefully, other more experienced members will chime in once they are available. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
@Kris & Teasel
@Wendy&Neko

Ravan usually drops at +5 to +8 He ate Mcarb food at +1 but still dropped at +3 I want to be prepared later if he keeps going lower?

I do have honey & Karo & higher carb food But I'm wondering at what point to give any of that? Should I give it now ?

He's dropped into the 30's & Mcarb brought him up but today it's not working so good?
 
I can keep you company until the experts arrive. i know they usually say give honey when they go under 50, which technically he hasn't done yet. Did you give a little bit of Mcarb food after the +1?
 
Yes ,I've been feeding him Mcarb during the night & this morning. I shot a 54 back in early August Kinda a similar situation, he was lime green during the night that time also. He did just fine after I shot the 53.

Ravan is NOT predictable! Just when I think I "Know my cat" he does something unpredictable. I was pretty sure with all the carbs last night & this morning he would probably bounce or at least go up not down.

He's a good eater but now I'm thinking I should be giving him a small bit of Hcarb every hour to try to keep him in green & not drop lower. I really hate when he bounces High. I feel it's hurting his kidneys.

Thanks Rosie. :) I'm soooo tired right now I was going to get a nap but Ravan has other plans so I'll be up testing. Poor guy's ears are hurting & he's trying to sleep He's getting upset with me :(
 
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He's dropped into the 30's & Mcarb brought him up but today it's not working so good?
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I wonder if that's a thing. During one of Bailey's low number events, I struggled to her back up over 50 on LC food which had always worked in the past.

Poor thing. I guess if he won't let you test, you can just give HC food for a while at least until he is past usual nadir, but I think he may have a harsher bounce with a lot of HC food.

Hope he stabilizes soon so you can rest
 
You are seeing the impacts of the 1.0 unit depot today. Doesn't look like he's onset yet so likely will go lower. Since he was hard to get up last night, I would reduce to 0.75 as the new dose. Feel free to give him gravy or other goodies to keep him up today. If they go lower early in the cycle as the insulin is just onsetting and at it's strongest, it can take more carbs to bring them up than later in the cycle when the insulin is weaker.
 
@Wendy&Neko
Thank you so much for responding. I know come the weekend everyone has plans. I really do appreciate you being here :):bighug:

I reduced the dose to .75 this morning & shot because back in August I shot under a similar situation & he did fine.

I've been going up & down between .75 & 1 unit for a while. Have you looked at his SS? What's with his BG going so high all am & then low PM This is different than the way he has been bouncing?

I have something I'd like to go do tonight for about 3 hrs. 6pm to 9pm Do you think it would be safe to go? I'll stay home if not.

Thank you again Have a Great weekend!
 
JoyBee&Ravan said:
I have something I'd like to go do tonight for about 3 hrs. 6pm to 9pm Do you think it would be safe to go? I'll stay home if not.
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When is 6PM compare to PMPS? To early to tell what he'll do the rest of this cycle yet. If he's low and it's something you'd really like to do tonight, skip. It's not the worst thing to do and it'll drain the depot. You gotta have a life too. Best case he'll bounce.

JoyBee&Ravan said:
Have you looked at his SS? What's with his BG going so high all am & then low PM This is different than the way he has been bouncing?
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Yes, I always open the SS. I see him going low 5 days ago during the day. You expect a cat to be predictable? :cat:
 
@Wendy&Neko
I usually shoot 9:30 AM Today I stalled & shot 10am so I'd be home (If I go out ) by 9PM an hour before pmps ?

Ravan''s nadirs are "usually" between +5 & +8 but as you said "Predictable?? " I can test at +8 6PM give Hcarb & leave food out & be back by+11 9PM Does that sound like a Good Plan?

If he's too low at +8 i won't leave.
Is all the high BG during the day bounces?
 
@Wendy&Neko

3PM +5 Bg 44 He ate 1/2 can Mcarb FF an hour ago & still dropped? Looks like I'll be staying home tonight.

Just in case I can't get anyone at 9pm tonight What do I do if he's still down near 50 at shot time??

I don't remember ever skipping a dose but I'd be tempted to so i can get some sleep?

Or is it better to maybe reduce again & shoot .5 ??
 
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Wendy is right that skipping is the safest thing to do.

Here's an idea:
You mentioned giving high carb food at +8. By then, technically, the Lantus should be subsiding. Could you give the high carb food now rather than wait until +8? He doesn't look like he plans on coming up on his own. What do you think?

You need a two hour window of rising numbers after the low number event to really feel he is safe. If you gave HC food now, help him rise above 50, monitor until +8 to make sure he is still rising, then give some MC when you leave to hold him over until you get back.

Problem is the HC food followed by the MC food might still cause him to bounce, and possibly more than if you just skipped so I really don't know. What are you thinking?
 
JoyBee&Ravan said:
If he's too low at +8 i won't leave.
Is all the high BG during the day bounces?
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Bailey's been doing that too. I read a response that Wendy wrote to someone where she said Neko was high during the day and went low at night, and it just is what it is. Pretty sure she wrote it today or yesterday. I just don't remember which thread. Anyway, it seems like we may never know why they are doing this, or how long it will last.
 
@Rosie & Bailey

5PM +7 it's been 2 hrs & he's up to 61. I gave a spoon of Hcarb FF & i'm waiting 30 mins to see if he goes higher. If he does I feel OK to go out for 3 hrs.Poor kitty is so carbed up now
I have no idea what he'll do tonight. The depot must be down from the reduced dose by now. I'm still not sure if I should give a another reduction to .5 when i shoot at 10 PM (1/2 hr later than usual because this morning I had to stall.)

I'm a bit nervous because PM is when he goes the lowest.But if I only give .5 I wonder if that's better that skipping? I read an old post said that it's never good to skip the dose.

If I ask for help tonight I'm wondering if anyone will be around? Come the weekend it's sometimes difficult to get help.
 
Not good to skip if a DKA kitty, otherwise, pretend you did a fur shot. ;)

I wouldn’t reduce again. Today’s action is all 1.0 unit depot. But if you want to do a one time reduced dose tonight in order to get more sleep, that is Ok. But be warned the depot can influence 4-6 cycles after a reduction.
 
@Wendy&Neko

I'm a bit confused. ( not enough sleep )

I reduced to .75 this AMPS I think he earned a reduction?? Do you think I should shoot that dose if he's above 50? I just tested & he barely came up to 64 with a large amount of High carb food 2 hrs ago. (I decided not to go out. I'd be worried about him dropping again.)

He always goes the lowest at night so I'm wondering how the .75 dose will affect him? This is unusual that he hasn't come up to at least 80 on all the med & High carb food he's had?

How do you "know thy cat"? when he's always doing something un expected?
 
@JoyBee&Ravan

Sorry you couldn't attend the event with your son, but I agree with your decision not to go. I would be so stressed if I kept feeding food and Bailey didn't come up for such a long time. It happened for two hours on night, and I was totally freaking out. That was the night that it was early in the cycle so now I know to be more aggressive when she drops that early.
I feel like even if Ravan come up to a safe number, you should skip or shoot a very reduced dose. You are probably so tired from last night's adventures, it may be difficult for you to stay up.
Prayers that Ravan's BG stays at safe levels and you can get some good rest tonight.
 
Wendy advised not to reduce again. I'll need to see what his bg is at 10 pm before i decide what to do. It's still sometimes difficult to remember you're not shooting the number you see but what it will be in a few hours!

The problem for me is I didn't expect these low numbers from last night till now So I have no idea what he might do tonight!

I'll be setting the alarm for sure . After last night I need to be careful & vigilant It looks like something has changed for Ravan? I'll just need to wait & see.

Thanks for your support tonight! It does make it easier when someone is there to talk to. :bighug::)
 
@Wendy&Neko

Wendy&Neko said:
ou aren’t yet seeing what 0.75 units by itself can do.
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He dropped to 40's 3 times on 1 unit that's why the reduction to .75.

I just checked, BG 60 45 mins before shot time. (I really thought it would be up to 100 by now with all the high carb food he ate all day? )

He got into a plate of Hcarb FF right after I tested . Do I shoot the .75? If the depot is still influencing the tests will the .75 also influence the BG tonight?

I'm concerned what he might drop to tonight after all these low #'s even with High carb food?

After the Hcarb at +11 BG went to 185 for pmps I shot the .75. Interesting to see what happens tonight?
 
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What did you end up doing?

Wendy&Neko said:
I wouldn’t reduce again. Today’s action is all 1.0 unit depot. But if you want to do a one time reduced dose tonight in order to get more sleep, that is Ok. But be warned the depot can influence 4-6 cycles after a reduction.
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A one time reduced dose was also an option for tonight.
 
@Rosie & Bailey

I'm more concerned with what High BG is doing to his Kidneys! When the bg goes above 200 he leaks urine really bad Everywhere he lays it's wet! I desperately want him to stop bouncing into the really high #'s
I guess no matter what I do my kitty boy will just keep bouncing until he's ready to stop :arghh: I was worried if I reduced again he would go high for 3 days like Wendy said. But he still will probably bounce to the moon from all these low #'s :(

Either way it doesn't seem i can stop that! I'm going to see if I can sleep an hour now before I test again.

Thank you Rosie. You will be in my thoughts tonight :bighug: for checking on us & being there for us I am very grateful.:)
 
JoyBee&Ravan said:
When the bg goes above 200 he leaks urine really bad Everywhere he lays it's wet!
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I'm so sorry. I had no idea. I wonder if Wendy's advice would have been different if she had known that. Have you considered putting that information into your signature so that it can be taken into consideration for future advice.

Sending prayers that Ravan is safe tonight, and that you get rest. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I suggested lowering to 0.75 units, glad you did. Sorry about the bounce but not surprised.

@Rosie & Bailey what I suggest considers both the safety of the cat, and the caregiver. Joybee got hardly any sleep last night and today wasn’t a good day for naps. Running on fumes means you can’t help your cat.

I hope you get some rest tonight Joybee.
 
@Wendy&Neko
Well I never thought I'd be Happy to see higher BG! +1 145 +4 126 I'm giving him Med carb food each time. Looks like he's going lower but slower so far.

I set my alarm but it never goes off !! Ravan wakes me when "He " thinks I need to check him!! :) He is VERY persistent. First Yowling so loud I swear he probably wakes the neighbors! Then he'll start poking me There is no way I could sleep thru all that :eek:

Thanks for all your help Wendy! It's very kind of you to keep checking on Ravan & me. I'm always grateful for your advice :bighug:
I'm trying to check him every 2 hrs now unless he does a big drop. Then I'll be up checking more frequently.I've been giving a spoonful of food each time to slow the drop.I wonder if these #'s are from all the carbs ? or is this a bounce?

I'll hold this dose for at least 3 days unless he drops too low. Or if he goes back up too High.

I hope you get a good nights sleep also :)
 
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