11/28 Yoyo PMPS 247,+2 236,+4 210 ,+5 269,+8 305 AMPS 403,+2 359,+4 130,+5 115,+6 136,+11 221,

Hope he clears the bounce and dips into the blues today.
Tomorrow will be day 7 so hopefully you get some dosing advice for the next 5 days.
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
Hope he clears the bounce and dips into the blues today.
Tomorrow will be day 7 so hopefully you get some dosing advice for the next 5 days.
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Yoyo dropped over 200 points so I put out a Question Mark with Need Help. I don't know if you are available, but if you are, please let me know if this is normal and if I should be watching closer like 15-20 minutes for test strips. Thank you!
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
I don't know if you are available, but if you are, please let me know if this is normal and if I should be watching closer like 15-20 minutes for test strips. Thank you!
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You are in good hands with @Bellasmom :)

You only have to test every 15-20 minutes if he were to drop below 67. Yoyo is still safe with the 130, and you are already at +4 which is a good sign.
Glad you are getting that +5.

Glad Yoyo is showing some moves on this dose. :)
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
You live on the west coast and I'm on the east coast. Clearwater is beautiful! My sister lives in Lutz, not far from the Tampa area, and I have visited the beaches near Clearwater.
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The beaches here are beautiful
I've been to Miami and boca Raton but that's about it down that way
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
Why do you like Boca more than West Palm Beach?

I'll be in Deltona in a few weeks :)
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When my family moved from New Jersey to Boca Raton back in 1985, Boca became my next home. I moved from Boca in 2004 and I still call it "home". Where I live now they were building new homes in 2004 where Boca was about "built out" or too expensive to afford. I am used to the Boca area and there is more to do there.
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
I am used to the Boca area and there is more to do there.
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Hope you get to go back there often.

Debra and Yoyo said:
I gave him about a 1/6 can of fancy feast. Should I give him more?
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That sounds about right to me. I've always been told to give a little at a time so they don't fill up so I give Bailey anywhere between 1 tsp and 1/6 can, depending on her numbers.

You and Yoyo are doing so well! Good call to ask a question at that +4 :)
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
Hope you get to go back there often.


That sounds about right to me. I've always been told to give a little at a time so they don't fill up so I give Bailey anywhere between 1 tsp and 1/6 can, depending on her numbers.

You and Yoyo are doing so well! Good call to ask a question at that +4 :)
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I usually only go back to Boca for my Veterinarian and my Dentist. And for good restaurants. Cheesecake restaurant is there and it's my favorite!
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
What does the bounce mean. Is it that yesterday he was in the blue numbers and today's AMPS was a RED number?
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Never got around to posting this today:
  • Bouncing - Bouncing is simply a natural reaction to what the cat's system perceives as a BG value that is "too low". "Too low" is relative. If a cat is used to BGs in the 200's, 300's, or higher for a long time, then even a BG that drops to 150 can trigger a "bounce". Bouncing can also be triggered if the blood glucose drops too low and/or too fast.The pancreas, then the liver, release glucogon, glycogen and counter-regulatory hormones. The end result is a dumping of "sugar" into the bloodstream to save the cat from going hypoglycemic from a perceived low. The action is often referred to as "liver panic" or "panicky liver". *Usually*, a bounce will clear kitty's system within 3 days (6 cycles).
Hopefully, Yoyo doesn't bounce after today's drop in BG, but if he does, don't worry. It happens a lot, and each cat bounces and recovers differently.
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
Never got around to posting this today:
  • Bouncing - Bouncing is simply a natural reaction to what the cat's system perceives as a BG value that is "too low". "Too low" is relative. If a cat is used to BGs in the 200's, 300's, or higher for a long time, then even a BG that drops to 150 can trigger a "bounce". Bouncing can also be triggered if the blood glucose drops too low and/or too fast.The pancreas, then the liver, release glucogon, glycogen and counter-regulatory hormones. The end result is a dumping of "sugar" into the bloodstream to save the cat from going hypoglycemic from a perceived low. The action is often referred to as "liver panic" or "panicky liver". *Usually*, a bounce will clear kitty's system within 3 days (6 cycles).
Hopefully, Yoyo doesn't bounce after today's drop in BG, but if he does, don't worry. It happens a lot, and each cat bounces and recovers differently.
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Thank you for taking the time to write that out. It makes sense!

I have some questions for you, please only answer when convenient for you and if you want to answer them........

1.) Do you always purchase the same brand/company when buying syringes? (Reason I am asking is- I wonder if each Company/Brand has different capacities and .75 will be different on another syringe from another company?

2.) Which syringe do you buy?

3.) This morning when Yoyo had a high BG of 403 I measured with the Keto-Diastix Ketone & Glucose Strips....his glucose was almost normal, like trace. I thought with such a high BG of 403 that his glucose in his urine would have been high. Any thoughts on this?

4.) When feeding Yoyo AMPS and PMPS, what is a normal amount of food that is safe before giving him his insulin shot. He seems to vomit, and I am wondering if I am pushing too much food on him. Before all this happened and he was diagnosed with diabetes, he would eat around 1.5 cans a day with about 1/8 cup of dry food. His weight was around 13.8#'s. Now he is around 12#'s. Hard to get him to gain weight, that is why I have been pushing so much food on him.

Thanks for everything. If I don't hear back from you tonight, have an enjoyable night, sleep well!
 
Mandy & Rex said:
That means green numbers or below 100. :D
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Thanks for clarifying that. The numbers below 100 scare me as I don't know how Yoyo will handle it, or really how I will handle the situation. Hypoglycemia has me frightened. I am afraid that if he gets too low I won't be able to bring his numbers up. Fear is a terrible thing!
 
Hi, I see Yoyo is doing quite well a lot more blue!! :)

Sorry I didn't checked earlier but I've been having some very busy days at the office

Debra and Yoyo said:
This morning when Yoyo had a high BG of 403 I measured with the Keto-Diastix Ketone & Glucose Strips....his glucose was almost normal, like trace. I thought with such a high BG of 403 that his glucose in his urine would have been high. Any thoughts on this?
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Since urine is collected in his bladder for a period of time sometimes several hours depends on how much he drank the water in the food, etc it will reflect a period of time not only the last minutes that is why it could be low if he was low most of the day

Debra and Yoyo said:
When feeding Yoyo AMPS and PMPS, what is a normal amount of food that is safe before giving him his insulin shot. He seems to vomit, and I am wondering if I am pushing too much food on him. Before all this happened and he was diagnosed with diabetes, he would eat around 1.5 cans a day with about 1/8 cup of dry food. His weight was around 13.8#'s. Now he is around 12#'s. Hard to get him to gain weight, that is why I have been pushing so much food on him.
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You only need to give him a little after the shoot and you could give him the rest during the day, almost free feed him, serve him the food just leve it out for him to go back and eat it when he wants ( just withdraw 2 hours before his shoot ), you are using Lantus which means it won't kick in hard right away so he doesn't need to have a big meal after the shoot just a reasonable amount maybe if you try giving him a few small meals during the day he will do better and not throw up

He will probably be regaining weight once he's regulated ( but it will be a long process ) it took Babu over a year to regain part of his weight, while his numbers are a bit high he will probably not regain weight because the lack of insulin and excess of sugar in his blood aren't allowing his cells to get all the nutrition they need

Debra and Yoyo said:
I am afraid that if he gets too low I won't be able to bring his numbers up. Fear is a terrible thing!
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You are monitoring him closely so if he ever gets too low you will probably catch it long before hypo, specially since he is usually going down slowly during his cycle
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
Thank you for taking the time to write that out. It makes sense!
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I just copied from one of the stickies at the top of the forum. It does make sense, though.

Debra and Yoyo said:
that is why I have been pushing so much food on him.
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It's important that he eat, but if he throws it up, it defeats the purpose. I think 1/2 can at shoot time is fine, and the rest spread out over time. Since he tends to scarf and barf, you probably can only give him small amounts at a time throughout the day. One thing I do with Bailey. She likes water in her food, but not too much. If I want to leave her food, but I don't want her to eat it all at once, I'll add a little extra water. She doesn't eat it right away, but she'll come back to it in a bit when she actually gets hungry.

Debra and Yoyo said:
I am afraid that if he gets too low I won't be able to bring his numbers up. Fear is a terrible thing!
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Try to see if Yoyo has any behavioral signs when his BG starts to go low. Bailey starts to run around the house like a crazy cat. When I see her do that, I know I need to test even if I just tested 30 minutes earlier.

Hopefully, Yoyo will have a tell of his own.
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
I just copied from one of the stickies at the top of the forum. It does make sense, though.


It's important that he eat, but if he throws it up, it defeats the purpose. I think 1/2 can at shoot time is fine, and the rest spread out over time. Since he tends to scarf and barf, you probably can only give him small amounts at a time throughout the day. One thing I do with Bailey. She likes water in her food, but not too much. If I want to leave her food, but I don't want her to eat it all at once, I'll add a little extra water. She doesn't eat it right away, but she'll come back to it in a bit when she actually gets hungry.


Try to see if Yoyo has any behavioral signs when his BG starts to go low. Bailey starts to run around the house like a crazy cat. When I see her do that, I know I need to test even if I just tested 30 minutes earlier.

Hopefully, Yoyo will have a tell of his own.
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So far I haven't seen any signs when his BG goes low. He is normally sleeping throughout the day, moving from one spot to another.
Last night I didn't give him any food during his 3am BG check. Is it better to give him food at that time, or no food?
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
It must be challenging trying to manage bg and weight.
Is Yoyo asking for food at that time? It's really up to him.
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Sorry I never answered you....I wake up at 3am to test him and then I give him some food. He doesn't ask for food, he normally never asks for food. I was just wondering if it is better that he has some food in his belly during the night. I was thinking with no food for such a long period that maybe it effects his glucose levels. Just a thought.
Also, since I test Yoyo with Vetrinary Alphatrak2, I believe I am getting higher readings than a human glucose monitor. Should I switch to a human glucose monitor? I believe that I read on this site that the values are based on the human glucose monitors. Please correct me if I am wrong in what I am saying. If I was using a human monitor, then wouldn't Yoyo's numbers have been in the green when he was at 110?
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
Please correct me if I am wrong in what I am saying. If I was using a human monitor, then wouldn't Yoyo's numbers have been in the green when he was at 110?
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Yes, he probably would have been in green. I started with AT, but I switched to human meters mainly for financial reasons, but also because it is easier that most other people use the same meter so our numbers are similar. While I was transitioning, I was using both meters for a while. It's time consuming and cumbersome to track both sets of numbers on the spreadsheet. If you scroll up my SS, you can see where I tried to track numbers with multiple strips.
With that being said, I did just buy some AT strips so that I could see the difference especially when Bailey is in low numbers. I plan on creating a new sheet with a comparison between the strips so you can see the difference, but a human meter is so cheap that it may be worth it for you to give it a try for yourself for a while. The Relion Prime is $9, and the strips are 100 for 17.88 at Walmart. (don't buy on ebay or Amazon. It's more expensive there)
 
Rosie & Bailey said:
Yes, he probably would have been in green. I started with AT, but I switched to human meters mainly for financial reasons, but also because it is easier that most other people use the same meter so our numbers are similar. While I was transitioning, I was using both meters for a while. It's time consuming and cumbersome to track both sets of numbers on the spreadsheet. If you scroll up my SS, you can see where I tried to track numbers with multiple strips.
With that being said, I did just buy some AT strips so that I could see the difference especially when Bailey is in low numbers. I plan on creating a new sheet with a comparison between the strips so you can see the difference, but a human meter is so cheap that it may be worth it for you to give it a try for yourself for a while. The Relion Prime is $9, and the strips are 100 for 17.88 at Walmart. (don't buy on ebay or Amazon. It's more expensive there)
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Does the Relion Prime use very little blood, I think it is .03 something? The Alphatrak2 picks up on the smallest amount of blood. What confuses me is how do I know what the real count should be and when Yoyo gets tested at the vet, his numbers will be off as that is animal testing compared to human meters.
 
Debra and Yoyo said:
Does the Relion Prime use very little blood, I think it is .03 something?
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Another downside to the Prime. It uses a lot more blood than the Alphatrak. Also, the numbers will not match the vet's numbers if you use a human meter.
Maybe you can decide on your most important criteria, and then decide on what to do. Unfortunately for me, it is finances. I just can't afford to use the Alpha trak on a regular basis, even if I try to use the cheaper strips with it.
If amount of blood and compatibility with the vet's meter are important, sounds like you should just stay with AT meter, understanding that Yoyo's numbers are higher than many members on this board. You can consider using the other strips, but as you saw, there are many people who don't trust the other strips. You need to feel comfortable with the meter and strips you are using because you are making big decisions each day based on those BG numbers.
That's actually the reason why I bought a pack of AT strips. With Bailey getting into lower numbers, I needed to have a "confirmation" reading to understand what's really going on with her. I won't be switching to AT, though. This is just a short trial.
I just started, but here are my numbers so far:
11/30 AT=59 Prime=48
11/30 AT=85 Prime=70
11/29 AT=95 Prime=79
11/28 AT=146 Prime=117
11/28 AT=203 Prime=151
11/27 AT=99 Prime=69
11/27 AT=84 Prime=66
11/23 AT=94 Prime=73
 
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Rosie & Bailey said:
Another downside to the Prime. It uses a lot more blood than the Alphatrak. Also, the numbers will not match the vet's numbers if you use a human meter.
Maybe you can decide on your most important criteria, and then decide on what to do. Unfortunately for me, it is finances. I just can't afford to use the Alpha trak on a regular basis, even if I try to use the cheaper strips with it.
If amount of blood and compatibility with the vet's meter are important, sounds like you should just stay with AT meter, understanding that Yoyo's numbers are higher than many members on this board. You can consider using the other strips, but as you saw, there are many people who don't trust the other strips. You need to feel comfortable with the meter and strips you are using because you are making big decisions each day based on those BG numbers.
That's actually the reason why I bought a pack of AT strips. With Bailey getting into lower numbers, I needed to have a "confirmation" reading to understand what's really going on with her. I won't be switching to AT, though. This is just a short trial.
I just started, but here are my numbers so far:
11/29 AT=95 Prime=79
11/28 AT=146 Prime=117
11/28 AT=203 Prime=151
11/27 AT=99 Prime=69
11/27 AT=84 Prime=66
11/23 AT=94 Prime=73
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That means that if I was using a human meter that possibly Yoyo wouldn't have to increase the amount of insulin that he is receiving. By using Alphatrak2 and getting higher numbers vs members using human meters and getting lower numbers, Yoyo is getting more insulin than other members because his numbers are higher.
Thank you for sending your comparison. I started to do one with the Insulinx test strips. Sometimes Insulinx is higher and than sometimes it is lower. I can't find a consistancy yet but the numbers are between 20-4 points different. Financially I cannot afford the Alphatrak2 strips but I can't make a change until I fully grasp this whole thing. Maybe the Insulinx test strips will be my answer but then I am still using the HIGHER number BG meter and that means giving Yoyo more insulin than may be needed compared to other members. Yes, this really has me confused. I want to do what is right and I don't yet know what that is.
Thanks for listening to me. Sleep well.
 
Both you and @Sue and Luci are grappling with similar questions, but you are both seeing it from opposite points of view. You feel Yoyo might be getting too much insulin, but then Sue feels that having a meter with lower numbers means reducing before kitty is truly ready. She is now on the OneDrop human meter after doing a meter trial.
Here's Sue's take on it:
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Right. I found that the OneDrop tended to be at the higher end, much closer to the Pet Meter than any other meter I tried. I liked the Glucoguard but the numbers tended to be lower...(which looks good on the SS)...but the reality is Luci needs to 'earn' her reductions...and I think she wasn't - especially with the Relion Confirm which consistently gave me lower numbers than any other meter - I feel that I was reducing her when in fact she hadn't really earned a reduction - that was a little bit of a hard pill to swallow initially - but then it's better for her if the numbers are more realistic - so if she gets more insulin it's because she needs it - notice we haven't have a reduction in quite some time..far from 'scientific' but it works for me. :)
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