Arthritis or neuropathy? (short video of Bronx walking)

Bronx's dad (GA)

Bronx's dad (GA)

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Bronx seems to be walking now on his front hocks, and those thumps you hear in the video is him. Is it possible this is neuropathy and not from arthritis? Or a combination of both? His rear legs seem fine and, from what I read, neuropathy shows up as weak hind legs. He never walks more than a few feet before laying down, unless the vacuum monster comes out of the closet, then he moves rather fast :p. Shaved spot on the back is for pet sitter to shoot, since I just had to travel.

 
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I wish I knew for sure, I watched the video more than a few times, I somehow feel like it's more of a limp motion, and I noticed the front right leg is turned a bit inward. I'm not sure if that is significant. I had always thought neuropathy was hind legs too. There is a bit of a flattening of the front paws, I see he's not on stepping on his paw pads, but there's a give in the first joint, like he's not straight into the step but angled. I don't know if I'm describing it right.
 
I'm trying to find a video often posted here of back leg neuropathy...I'd sure like to compare the movement. I'll post it here if I find it.
 
Hhmmm.

Ty had neuropathy & it doesn't look like feline neuropathy to me but I'm no vet.

Watching it over and over it looks like the right front leg is bowing out from the hip perhaps due to a joint issue. The left front leg displays like carpal hyperextension.

Has he clunked himself somehow and now is compensating for a painful joint .
 
Which b12 are you giving? Zobaline?

To give you an idea. Emmett was kinda walking heavy but not to the degree of Bronxy there. But I've been giving him 3000 mcg (or 3mg) of Zobaline B12 since June. Not sure, but I think he's a lot better...but it may be due to his green streak too...
 
Rob W. & Emmett said:
Which b12 are you giving? Zobaline?

To give you an idea. Emmett was kinda walking heavy but not to the degree of Bronxy there. But I've been giving him 3000 mcg (or 3mg) of Zobaline B12 since June. Not sure, but I think he's a lot better...but it may be due to his green streak too...
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Methylcobalamin B-12 1.5mg/day
 
PussCatPrince - GA said:
Hhmmm.

Ty had neuropathy & it doesn't look like feline neuropathy to me but I'm no vet.

Watching it over and over it looks like the right front leg is bowing out from the hip perhaps due to a joint issue. The left front leg displays like carpal hyperextension.

Has he clunked himself somehow and now is compensating for a painful joint .
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The acro causes all that bony growth.
 
OK. I found it. Bit tough to watch through again but needs must .
It's not too good and blurry in places BUT watch at around 1.26 and you will clearly see Ty's neuropathy wobbling his rear legs and he is quite down on his hocks. This causes him to lose his balance a bit which he corrects with his front legs , however his front paws are not walking down on their wrists like Bronx is doing with his left front leg.

To add: Ty had been on B12 for around 2 months by then and there had been quite some improvement with the rear leg walking.

 
Bronx's dad said:
Bronx seems to be walking now on his front hocks, and those thumps you hear in the video is him. I know he's coming, especially on the hard wood floors. Is it possible this is neuropathy and not from arthritis? Or a combination of both? His rear legs seem fine and, from what I read, neuropathy shows up as weak hind legs. He never walks more than a few feet before laying down, unless the vacuum monster comes out of the closet, then he moves rather fast :p. Shaved spot on the back is for pet sitter to shoot, since I just had to travel.

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Definitely neuropathy. Nelli fell into neuropathy- full-on front legs. Asked my “vet”, confused because I thought neuropathy caused back leg hock-walk. He said no, not always.
Nelli, has arthritis too- again, the walk that Bronx is displaying is most definitely neuropathy… I say (with confidence), that from recent first-hand experience.
 
Oh dear @Bronx's dad . See. Ask us lot and we all see something different. :p

Krystina & Nelli said:
Definitely neuropathy. Nelli fell into neuropathy- full-on front legs. Asked my “vet”, confused because I thought neuropathy caused back leg hock-walk. He said no, not always.
Nelli, has arthritis too- again, the walk that Bronx is displaying is most definitely neuropathy… I say (with confidence), that from recent first-hand experience.
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Can you plonk up a bit of vid ? Not just for Bronx Dad but for everyone else.

Out of interest does Nelli also have the rear plantigrade stance.
 
PussCatPrince - GA said:
Oh dear @Bronx's dad . See. Ask us lot and we all see something different. :p



Can you plonk up a bit of vid ? Not just for Bronx Dad but for everyone else.

Out of interest does Nelli also have the rear plantigrade stance.
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That was next... took a while after (front)- several weeks.
Yes... of course- a before and after vid.
I must, must wait til AM. I am exhausted Paul. Thought, back and forth whether I should pipe in tonight at all, obviously I did.
Promises I will post vid early in AM :)!
Promises
 
Krystina & Nelli said:
That was next... took a while after (front)- several weeks.
Yes... of course- a before and after vid.
I must, must wait til AM. I am exhausted Paul. Thought, back and forth whether I should pipe in tonight at all, obviously I did.
Promises I will post vid early in AM :)!
Promises
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You should post the vid when you are rested. It all helps anyone and everyone.
We pool our thoughts and experience. That's family.
 
Aaawww. My poor Bronx boy :bighug:

Did this just start or has it just continued to get worse? Are you giving any B12 shots (I think you are, but can't remember)? What does the vet think? Maybe an xray to see what the joints show?

Does he shrink from your touch anywhere? Hind quarters/front shoulders? Does he allow you to touch his paws?

I hope you get some answers and Bronx gets some relief.
 
JanetNJ said:
would up the b12
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Good morning...
I don’t really have a good vid of Nelli walking only on the front elbows... not done looking :)
I know you give Bronx supplements for arthritis IMHO I’d check into the shot (form) of administering b-12. I know it’s available and I know it’s effect is near immediate. -Don’t go with an Rx of Adequan yet stay with purity (supplements) for now.
I agree with @JanetNJ that you might want to increase B-12.
 
I want to mention this. When Nelli had neuropathy pretty dang bad I got her on the consequent right away- although I was told by different sources that until the diabetes comes under control I would not see any improvement with the neuropathy. In other words message I was receiving, cosequine is basically a waste of money until the diabetes became better regulated; under control.
Well I ignored that and have been giving her 2 3mg tablets of consequence a day… It clearly was not working. As soon as diabetes started getting regulated the neuropathy quickly started reversing!
She is not completely walking up on front paws yet- getting much, much better.
Her rear legs came up first and also rather quickly.
Arthritis:
As I think you know Nelli has arthritis. I had her on Antanol (great stuff), https://antinolforpets.com/cats, seem to work very well. I took her off the Antinol, started the cosequine which seems to be working… This is a heck of a lot cheaper! 30 tablets $34.95 One a day, I called company and got the greenlight on up to four or five a day. Ended up giving her for a day if you do the math on 30 tablets at $35.95 you’ll see how expensive it was for us.
Check out Methyl B-12 injections :)
 
A “biggie” I forgot to mention!
Rub his legs, one long rub, from top to paw. He’ll like that if it is neuropathy and his lower legs (maybe only paws) will feel cold/cool, again if it is (it is, trust me,)
Can’t believe I didn’t mention this a while back. This is a, hands down, for sure sign to you that neuropathy is the cause
 
My suggestion is to take him to the vet and get some xrays or scans........with all good intentions everyone here tried to give advise based on our (their) personal experience which is wonderful. But nobody is a vet and checking with Mr Google or other Mr Seaches often brings an array of self help fixes.

Myself and others thought Davidson has arthritis, weakness in legs due to low potassium and I gave him whatever I could only to find out he had a brain tumour. This caused the pressing of nerves down his neck and spine to compress and this resulted in his walking issues. Not trying to scare you, but reality is if it’s that bad and going on in spite of some improvement, check it out at the vet.

The earlier you can get a DX the better it is for a recovery, although sadly not in all cases.

I hope you find out what’s wrong, sending vines your way.
 
I’ve never had a cat with arthritis, but this does not look like neuropathy :( poor little Bronx!! Ugh.

Just wondering - is another dose of SRT an option for him or no? I know it’s super expensive and I know the first round didn’t work. But I’m just curious.

Hope he feels better with some suggestions here
 
I don't know if it's neuropathy or not, for that matter I don't even know if Emmett had/has it. But I believe I read somewhere on here that B12 alone will not be absorbed very well by a cat. Need the folic acid as well. I think someone on here makes their own, but that's why Zobaline is easier (has b12 and the folic acid). Folic acid allows for the absorption of the b12...even for humans it makes for better absorption. At 1500mcg of just B12 I'm not sure that's anywhere near enough...but I'm no vet. You may need like 6000mcg or something to account for absorption...Zobaline I just give the 3000mcg pill once a day. But your guy has accro...not sure. I even give my non-diabetic cat Zobaline (she's Emmett's sister)...it's overall good for the cat anyway..
 
I agree with Sheena, get him checked out by a vet, including x-rays. Arthritis and bone growths are fairly common with acros. Can it be treated? Who knows, gotta know what you are dealing with first. Neko had a bony growth on her jaw that was removed. @Jeff had a bony growth removed from Leo's leg/foot. Gurkan had gold implants done on Raffy - first I've heard of that as a treatment.
Ana & Frosty (GA) said:
Just wondering - is another dose of SRT an option for him or no? I know it’s super expensive and I know the first round didn’t work. But I’m just curious.
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Neko had SRT a second time, first cat but not the last cat to ever have that done. We don't know that SRT didn't work for Bronx. I think it did work some because Bronx's dose has come down meaning less growth hormone being produced. The full effects of SRT can take two years to be felt and it's not two years yet. However, SRT does not lower the IGF-1 produced. And that IGF-1 is responsible for some soft tissue growths so I wouldn't count on it as a "cure" for what's currently bothering Bronx.
 
SRT neuters the tumour cells and eventually they die off. Though if any are left, it can come back. As it did with Neko. SRT will lower the amount of growth hormone being produced, which lowers the insulin resistance and hence the dose required. IGF-1 may or may not be impacted. So it's generally not recommended to retest. Mostly because it can be disappointing. Some people have retested after SRT and seen the numbers go up. :( One of the hopes of the research into cabergoline as a treatment was that it would lower the IGF-1. Unfortunately, not what the data showed.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
SRT neuters the tumour cells and eventually they die off. Though if any are left, it can come back. As it did with Neko. SRT will lower the amount of growth hormone being produced, which lowers the insulin resistance and hence the dose required. IGF-1 may or may not be impacted. So it's generally not recommended to retest. Mostly because it can be disappointing. Some people have retested after SRT and seen the numbers go up. :( One of the hopes of the research into cabergoline as a treatment was that it would lower the IGF-1. Unfortunately, not what the data showed.
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Oh yes, duh. I was thinking GH, not IGF-1. I need to review my hormones

I’m starting to regret not taking that neurosurgery job i was interviewing for before I took my current job. I would be an expert on all of this.

(Well, at least in humans!)
 
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