9/19Ravan/pmps356/+4 184/+5 99/+6 52/+7 68/+9 80/

Just glanced at Ravens SS, he sure can't decide which dosage he likes. I have no advise just hope you can find a solution and to bump you back to the top so someone more knowledgable will chime in. Good luck.
 
Sanguis draxonis (SD) is a Chinese traditional herb that is prescribed for the handling of diabetic disorders. In this study, the effects of an oral administration of SD at dosages of 100, 300, and 500 mg kg(-1) once a day, respectively, on the formation of insulin resistance were investigated in vivo in two models of insulin-resistant
plasma glucose and insulin concentration were decreased significantly,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15811560
 
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/9-18ravan-amps405-4-379-9-400-pmps474-3-465-7-241.203375/

I thought the bounce was breaking at +7 241 but now he's back to 462?

Any thoughts on what's going on?
It’s possible this is the high before the break so be vigilant today. If he doesn’t clear the bounce by tonight, I’d increase the dose in the morning as long as you can test.

Sanguis draxonis (SD) is a Chinese traditional herb that is prescribed for the handling of diabetic disorders. In this study, the effects of an oral administration of SD at dosages of 100, 300, and 500 mg kg(-1) once a day, respectively, on the formation of insulin resistance were investigated in vivo in two models of insulin-resistant
plasma glucose and insulin concentration were decreased significantly,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15811560
A few things to point out about this research:
  • They were looking at insulin resistance induced in rats fed high-fat diets and rats injected in the abdomen three times a day with high doses of insulin.
  • The rats that were induced using STZ (streptozotocin), which mimics diabetes mellitus, saw no change to their BG.
Regarding curcumin, the study was for seven days and was highly manipulated. It is also very old. It seems to me if it had really shown some effectiveness to use curcumin for BG control, there would be a lot more recent studies with longer trials.

I have not found any homeopathic or herbal remedies that really had an impact on BG enough to make it worth the while of getting it into the kitty. Also, while one can buy these herbs online, my holistic vet said one has to be extremely careful with buying Chinese herbs online because they do not have the level of scrutiny that a holistic vet would apply in buying from a specific distributor. You could end up getting herbs with toxins in them.
 
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I’d increase the dose in the morning

He went down to 45 BG 3 days ago when I increased by just a tiny bit?
You're advising I increase to .75? He went to the low 40's on .75 dose. This is confusing? On Sunday 6:30 pm ( just 2 1/2 days ago) you told me :

"I wouldn’t have increased the dose" Why wouldn’t I have even fine tuned the dose? He was down to at least 72 last night. He’s gotten into nadirs of the 50s, 60s, 70s on this dose and he’s just bouncing "
 
He went down to 45 BG 3 days ago when I increased by just a tiny bit?
You're advising I increase to .75? He went to the low 40's on .75 dose. This is confusing? On Sunday 6:30 pm ( just 2 1/2 days ago) you told me :

"I wouldn’t have increased the dose" Why wouldn’t I have even fine tuned the dose? He was down to at least 72 last night. He’s gotten into nadirs of the 50s, 60s, 70s on this dose and he’s just bouncing "
No, I didn’t advise you to increase to 0.75u. That’s nowhere in my post. What I said was I would increase the dose if he didn’t clear the bounce by tonight.

Bounces can take up to six cycles (in some cases, I’ve even see it take longer) to clear. His sixth cycle past the greens is tonight. If he doesn’t clear the bounce by the time you are ready to shoot in the morning, why leave him at high numbers?

At the time I said I wouldn’t have increased his dose, I wouldn’t have. He was getting good nadirs but things change. If he’s not going to come back to green after the bounce clears, he needs more insulin.
 
No, I didn’t advise you to increase to 0.75u.

I put a ? mark because I was asking you. I didn't mean it was in your post.
If I increase the dose it will be to .75. he's getting .5 now.

When you tell me to increase tomorrow am it will be to .75 I wanted to make sure you remembered he's on .5 now.
 
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I put a ? mark because I was asking you. I didn't mean it was in your post.
If I increase the dose it will be to .75. he's getting .5 now.

When you tell me to increase tomorrow am it will be to .75 I wanted to make sure you remembered he's on .5 now.
I do remember but you’ve increased before by fattening the dose, correct? That’s what potentially caused him to drop to 45. Or, it could have been that he got a little better absorption that day or the dose was more than a f0.5u (if you aren’t using calipers, you wouldn’t know for certain).

I purposely didn’t indicate a dose I would increase to because I wanted to see if he clears the bounce today and what he comes down to.:) Sometimes we make plans and the kitty has other plans; thus it pays off to see where the number goes before we get to wrapped around in what we will do next.
 
I do remember but you’ve increased before by fattening the dose, correct? That’s what potentially caused him to drop to 45. Or, it could have been that he got a little better absorption that day or the dose was more than a f0.5u (if you aren’t using calipers, you wouldn’t know for certain).

I purposely didn’t indicate a dose I would increase to because I wanted to see if he clears the bounce today and what he comes down to.:) Sometimes we make plans and the kitty has other plans; thus it pays off to see where the number goes before we get to wrapped around in what we will do next.
That’s a great way to look at it!
 
Now I'm wishing he didn't drop so low. He'll probably do another big bounce! :(

This time I would have been happy to see blue.
 
He heard you!
:D

Gizmo is one that takes at least 6 cycles (usually 8) to see the affects of a dose increase. He used to have NDW almost every dose increase too. Looks like you need to make a mental note to put on patient pants during a bounce. @Marje and Gracie helped me throuh my first hypo (numbers) way back in the day. What a wild ride that was :D. If memory serves correctly it was a Friday night and we had company to boot :banghead:
 
Gizmo is one that takes at least 6 cycles (usually 8) to see the affects of a dose increase.

4 days ago I only increased a tiny bit ( not the .25) I did NOT expect him to drop to 42! He had been bouncing only for a short time lately so the nearly 3 days was very unexpected.
I hate to see the black #'s!
He was recently diagnosed with kidney disease & i'm sure the high bg doesn't help. He leaks urine a lot.

I had been giving him CBD oil for a while & ran out of it 4 days ago I'm wondering now if that's one of the reasons he bounced so bad? I'm ordering some today!

Recently I read it can help with insulin resistance.

(thanks for checking on us :))

Ravan has dropped into 30's several times!
 
had been giving him CBD oil for a while & ran out of it 4 days ago I'm wondering now if that's one of the reasons he bounced so bad? I'm ordering some today!

Recently I read it can help with insulin resistance
Interesting. Gizmo gets the capsule CBD every cycle after shot. He seems to be doing better overall since I started giving it every cycle. I am giving for pain/panc flares.
 
beautiful blue and green spreadsheets and am SO envious!

I've been doing this for 8 months now & feel the same way! I looked at Buddy's SS & I envy his #'s !! at least he doesn't bounce into Black like my Ravan.:(
You have a Crew there! :) I had 10 at one time & I miss having all the kitties. Just can't afford it now. I have 3 ,Ravan's liter mate Peggy Sue & Alice.
Even when Ravan is bouncing in high #'s he wakes me up every few hours so as long as I'm up I test .I wish I could get a few nights of sleep!

Thanks for checking on us :)
Have a Good weekend!
 
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