OT: Leonardo...FME for Stomatitis yesterday

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Doodles & Karen said:
I’d like to avoid injections, had enough of that with FD:blackeye:;)
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I totally get it! I just found a drastic difference (for Asia) between the oral and the injectable cerenia. I have no idea why, but the night I was stuck with just the oral, it didn’t work, she wasn’t eating and it was the longest night of this journey so far, hands down. :( Also for Asia, she’s really not bothered with shots compared to trying to put anything in her mouth. Pilling her was also the most traumatic part of this journey (for us both, I’m sure). :blackeye:

I hope all of this is a non issue because Leo just decides to be a good boy and eat something by himself. :bighug:
 
Poor Leo, poor you. :bighug::bighug::bighug: Tons of appy vines on the way. Is he getting a probiotic to counter the ABs?
 
Sending lots of feel better and appy vines for your sweet boy! Mandarin had a full mouth extraction last year and he came home the same day and acted like he hadn't eaten in days. ...and then Walter needed a cleaning with 2 or 3 minor extractions and acted like he was dying for the next few days. You never really know. Some cats just take surgery a lot harder than others and need a few extra days. I am sure that he will feel a lot better though once it's all healed.
 
Just caught up on Leo's case as I haven't been on in a while. Sending lots of appy vines for Leo, and hoping he keeps finding things to eat! :bighug::bighug:

My Darwin had FME January 1st (for tooth resorption) so I know the struggle of having to put your kitty through that. Darwin didn't eat for about 24 hours following his procedure. There is light at the end of the tunnel though as Darwin now eats better than he EVER has before! :cat:
 
Tasha & Darwin said:
Darwin didn't eat for about 24 hours following his procedure. There is light at the end of the tunnel though as Darwin now eats better than he EVER has before! :cat:
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Today is day 5 after the procedure. He loves food so I just don't know. The Dentist and the vet who gave him the cerenia shot yesterday don't seem concerned :banghead:
 
LizzieInTexas said:
I am glad you posted that. I wasn't sure if it was my imagination but I think the same (shot more effective)
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We are not crazy, I just ran across this yesterday from CKD group, it’s like this one, people helping people and I don’t know the profession of this person, but for what it’s worth:

“Vets tend to prescribe oral cerenia for any cat at 4 mg. Thats the injectable dosage and vets have not yet updated. Its frequently not a theraputic dose. If you find its not working to prevent nausea, and he continues not eating, you may wish to up it to 1 mg per lb.”
 
Doodles & Karen said:
They wouldn't give me the injectable to bring home....only the pills
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Squeaky wheel. I would plead your case. I have such a hard time dragging Gizmo into the heat and stressing him out even more than just the vet visit. Is it the same vet you used with Doodles? Surely they know you are capable of giving a shot (even if it is hubby is going to doing it ;)).

Have you tried the Tiki Velvet Mousse?
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Squeaky wheel. I would plead your case. I have such a hard time dragging Gizmo into the heat and stressing him out even more than just the vet visit. Is it the same vet you used with Doodles? Surely they know you are capable of giving a shot (even if it is hubby is going to doing it ;)).

Have you tried the Tiki Velvet Mousse?
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Same practice but different vet as it was Saturday. I'll call his vet on Monday and speak with her as she knows me and yes was the only cooperative with Doodles. He also has an apt. with the dentist at 2:30pm tomorrow as we're suppose to take the feeding tube out. He's not easy too tube feed...won't sit still so it takes forever.
 
It might help to change your perspective a bit, and I know that’s hard. You went through so much with Doodles, and some of this must be very PTSD for you. :bighug:

He is young, the vet and dentist aren’t very concerned with him not eating much right now. Just think how you or I would feel if we just had all our teeth pulled, eating would probably be low on the list. The concern here, of course, is hepatic lipidosis, but he would have to be not eating at all, anything, for a decent amount of time to kick off that process. It’s good to be aware of it, but it’s a process, just like DKA, there is a formula for it and it doesn’t happen in an instant. I know he will eat, cats heal super fast, especially young ones. He’s got to start feeling normal again and I think getting the tube out will help (is it up the nose)? That would be super annoying, I wouldn’t want to eat and swallow with a tube up my nose and down my throat. Offer him anything and everything and deal with poo consequences later.

And tons more of these, he’s going to be a new cat soon! :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Doodles & Karen said:
It's in his neck luckily not in the nose and he could be annoyed with it. I'm trying to stay calm but those who know me realize nothing stresses me more then not eating. I'll be going out in a little bit for a few hours. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Today’s the day, Leo, time to eat your foods so your mama bean can have a happy mother’s day! :cat:
 
The shot of course works faster. The pills take up to 24 hrs to kick in. If you have the pills, crush and dissolve them in warm water, put through tube. Just make sure it's dissolved so tiny piece doesn't get stuck in tube.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Leave him some food down
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I did. Really don't think he likes canned food. He as eaten some but wondering if it's giving him a belly ache. I picked up some Stella & Chewy FD raw and he ate about 6 nuggets. It's the most he's eaten so far.

Love-Paula aka Woodsywife said:
The shot of course works faster
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He got a shot yesterday and hasn't made a lick of a difference so now I'm not convinced he's even nauseous. He did poop this morning so that's good.
 
Yay for poop!!! Maybe that will help! And Yay for eating 6 nuggets, too...keep doing that, Leo!!

I would wonder if the clavamox could be affecting his appy....just something to discuss with vetty tomorrow.

Also, sometimes ondansetron works better for some kitties than cerenia does, so that could be something else to ask about.

He could just be trying to adjust to his new mouth.

I know that's not much help...we're praying his appy picks up very, very soon.
 
Stacy & Asia said:
Vets tend to prescribe oral cerenia for any cat at 4 mg. Thats the injectable dosage and vets have not yet updated. Its frequently not a theraputic dose. If you find its not working to prevent nausea, and he continues not eating, you may wish to up it to 1 mg per lb.”
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I have seen the same posted by an IM vet that pops into a small cell group I belong to. Oral dosing is double that of the injectible. And they often don't take the size of the cat into mind.

Eat Leo!
 
Amy&TrixieCat said:
I would wonder if the clavamox could be affecting his appy....just something to discuss with vetty tomorrow
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Tend to agree and think there's only a few doses left...today is day 5. Also think the bupe doesn't agree with him. In January when he had the 8 extractions I stopped to bupe then too for the same reason. He won't let me near the tube and gets mad then hides so that's coming out tomorrow regardless. I'll see what they say tomorrow, maybe add some cypro to the mix? Sure hope he hangs in there and gets back to normal soon.
 
Doodles & Karen said:
I did. Really don't think he likes canned food. He as eaten some but wondering if it's giving him a belly ache. I picked up some Stella & Chewy FD raw and he ate about 6 nuggets.
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Stella and chewy has a frozen raw nuggets....Might be an option. Azalea liked the rabbit raw nuggets, sometimes “straight up” sometimes mixed with canned or baby food (and sometimes a tiny amount of raw liver in it or on plate, smorgasbord style) , depended on situation and whatever helped her to eat.
If he is ok with the FD raw maybe rehydrate in water and mush up in blender? Or thaw and add water to the frozen raw nuggets and run through a blender?

Hope Leo feels better soon and heaps of vines ❤️❤️
 
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Leo ate a few more S&C nuggets which are always rehydrated with water. I left wet food out while out this evening and quite a bit was gone and know Moo didn’t eat it all. It’s been 14 hrs since the last bupe dose and he’s acting like Leo so I’m skipping the dose tonight. Hopefully he’ll smack me in the face starting at 4am....never thought I’d miss or hope for that
 
Doodles & Karen said:
Leo ate a few more S&C nuggets which are always rehydrated with water. I left wet food out while out this evening and quite a bit was gone and know Moo didn’t eat it all. It’s been 14 hrs since the last bupe dose and he’s acting like Leo so I’m skipping the dose tonight. Hopefully he’ll smack me in the face starting at 4am....never thought I’d miss or hope for that
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Yay!!! :cat::) I knew you’d eat today, Leo, you’re awesome!

I hope he waits until at least 6 to smack you in the face. :joyful:
 
No face smacking wake up call from Leo but guess who he has trained to wake up anyway :rolleyes: He at 1 Primal nugget mixed with a few S&C this morning. It took a little coaxing but he pretty much finished it. He doing the usual morning bird watching. Once the bupe wore off he was purring, talking and tail in the air. To me, that says he's not in pain. We go to the dentist at 2:30 to get the feeding tube removed. He won't let me near it anyway so it's useless. I'd like to get an appy stimulant to have on hand...which one should I ask for?
 
Great news!!!! :bighug: I know feeding tubes are a necessity sometimes and most cats tolerate it well. My guess is some hate it and I bet Leo will eat even better once its out. If he wouldn’t let you near it is probable he wants it out more than you. I too feel some pain meds just don’t agree with pets/people. I was given Morphine once when in the hospital and hated the way it made me feel. Some people don’t have that experience. I tend to think our critters can have similar reactions to meds.
So glad Leo has turned a corner and he was purring with tail in the air. Our kitties tails can tell us alot about how they feel;)
 
Mirtazapine 7.5mg - Dosing is 1/8-1/4 pill
This appy enhancer is a human drug that is an anit-depressant. I makes Gizmo very vocal, loving, purry and sometimes a bit obnoxious. I usually get 3 days enhancement out of 1/4 pill - but it can be given ever 8-9 hours I think. What I have found is that it loses it effectiveness if given too frequently - but that shouldn't be an issue.

Cyproheptadine
I think this is a human drug. It is an anti-histamine - I don't remember the dose of the pill but my RX was 1/4 of a tablet - I will never give it to Gizmo again. It really did a number on him and spaced him out completely. Scared me to death. I thought I had killed him. He couldn't stand up but was too hyper (?) to lay down - just walked in circles and fell off the dresser. :eek:

Zrytec - OTC human allergy medicine
I haven't tried this yet but I think I will at some point.

Here is a link to more details on these:
https://felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm#appetite_stimulants

Now, with all that said - ECID and some do not tolerate the Mirtz and can handle the cypro just fine.

Really glad he is eating something. Hope the follow up goes well and once the icky feeding tube is out he gets back to normal quickly. :bighug:
 
If you do mirtazapine, try hard to get it in transdermal form. It is slower to adsorb so less likely to get bad side effects some cats get on it. Give once a day.

Cypro, some cats only need a crumb sized piece to help.
 
The tube is out. @Love-Paula aka Woodsywife , no sedation needed to remove it. They said his mouth looks great. I asked for an appy stimulant and he said "we're not there yet, give it a few more days" :arghh::rolleyes::banghead: I said "why is it that no one is concerned with him hardly eating! I'll use the zyrtec for now and then call my regular vet if need be. He has eaten better today then in the last 4 days so all paws crossed it continues to pick up. I did get a 3 day pack of Onsior which is an anti-inflammatory ..like a baby ibuprofen which he tolerated well previously. .Thanks again for all the support....mama is/was about to lose it :p:p
 
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