Diabetic cat on insulin not improving, family wants to put him to sleep, but...

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Bloodwork results are usually not available immediately following testing, they probably won't have them until tomorrow! Tell your dad to wait. If Ziggy is your cat and you have made the arrangements to move him in with you, I don't see why, or even what say your dad has in putting him to sleep!!!
 
Bloodwork results are usually not available immediately following testing, they probably won't have them until tomorrow! Tell your dad to wait. If Ziggy is your cat and you have made the arrangements to move him in with you, I don't see why, or even what say your dad has in putting him to sleep!!!
That's a great point. If you really wanted to get serious about it, you could even call the vet and tell them that Ziggy belongs to you, not your dad and give explicit instructions to NOT have him euthanized.
 
Hang in. If they suspect infection, maybe an antibiotic could help, but try to tell them no convenia. Can also try putting some probiotics in the food.

Just thought of something. Which dry food are they using? Dry food from Friskies is making a lot of cats sick. Clean Protein dry is fairly low carb, you can order from chewy and have it sent to your parents house so they can at least start.
 
Here is an idea that might not work but thought I would put it out there. Any way you can take tomorrow off (use a sick day, vacation day) making it a long weekend and go get him?
 
Have you received an update yet? Did the vet agree not to put him to sleep when you called? I keep thinking of you guys!

No update yet. The vet agreed not to put him to sleep, but she did say she would contact me regarding the results of his tests.

Hang in. If they suspect infection, maybe an antibiotic could help, but try to tell them no convenia. Can also try putting some probiotics in the food.

Just thought of something. Which dry food are they using? Dry food from Friskies is making a lot of cats sick. Clean Protein dry is fairly low carb, you can order from chewy and have it sent to your parents house so they can at least start.

Ziggy’s dry food is Purina One Tender Selects. His wet food is Friskies Gourmet Gravy Soft. I know gravy isn’t supposed to be great for diabetic cats, though. We gave him pate when I lived with my parents.

Here is an idea that might not work but thought I would put it out there. Any way you can take tomorrow off (use a sick day, vacation day) making it a long weekend and go get him?

I wish I could, but I just started this job recently and haven’t accrued enough time to take the day off. I wish they could just wait two more days so I can go get him.
 
It could be the gravy, it's a long shot though. All my cats get sick from any food with gravy or sauce, shredded, or minced pieces. Any new flavor or food introduced gives them diarrhea.

Keep us posted.
 
Ziggy’s dry food is Purina One Tender Selects. His wet food is Friskies Gourmet Gravy Soft. I know gravy isn’t supposed to be great for diabetic cats, though. We gave him pate when I lived with my parents.
You're right about gravy not being good for diabetic cats...that's what is given when their blood glucose drops too low to prevent/treat hypoglycemia. The Friskies pate is on the approved list for sugar kitties though :) Plus the big cans are right around $1 at Walmart and Dollar General.

No time to go into detail, but the vet just told me that aside from his blood sugar levels and the symptoms they’re causing, Ziggy is otherwise fine. They’ve outlined a treatment plan, so they will advise against putting him to sleep today. My parents seem to be in agreement. I feel much better now, and hopefully he will, too. <3
That is amazing!! I'm so relieved and happy for you!
 
Hi Natalie, this is Laly and Kitiara from Argentina. Ziggy is a real cutie. I agree that the wood origin litter is great, until I discovered it I was using a big trash bag that I opend up the middle and lined the tray with that. On top of the plastic sheet I would add an absorvent liner/pad (the kind they use to potty train puppies) which worked out great absorving all the liquid that would otherwise accumulate at the bottome on the tray. And I then would add the clay litter.
I still recomend the plastic liner because it makes it so easy to through away the last of the litter and because the training mats are so cheap I am keeping them as well.
If your parents could adopt some of this measures I trust it would make their lifes easier and best of lucks to you if Ziggy moves in with you.
I am also new to the site and was in a real panic at first, thinking how my adored Kitiara was suffering and panicking that she was not going to make it. the symptoms are scary. But then I calmed down and thought not only about all the other diabetic pets but diabetic people who deal with this every day and still thrive. And also this forum has been a fantastic support. Best of lucks :bighug:
 
No update yet. The vet agreed not to put him to sleep, but she did say she would contact me regarding the results of his tests.



Ziggy’s dry food is Purina One Tender Selects. His wet food is Friskies Gourmet Gravy Soft. I know gravy isn’t supposed to be great for diabetic cats, though. We gave him pate when I lived with my parents.



I wish I could, but I just started this job recently and haven’t accrued enough time to take the day off. I wish they could just wait two more days so I can go get him.
This is a good list.... you can forward it to dad. You want to pick a food under 10% carb. (Under 7 is better) No gravy, no carb. Most of us feed fancy feast classic or Friskies pate foods. The purina food is 30-35% carb. Ditch it immediately. The other food is around 13%... A bit high but not as bad as the dry.
http://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf
 
Thank you, everyone. Ziggy's home now and resting for his big day on Saturday. :)

The vet recommended an Alpha Track kit for Ziggy's home testing, and they said they can order it for me for $100 (or talk to a vet down here in Portland and see if they can get it for cheaper). I think I might shop around tomorrow after work for another meter that would work just as well. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I could use? I do know there are some helpful guides around here for home testing that I've been reading through.
 
Thank you, everyone. Ziggy's home now and resting for his big day on Saturday. :)

The vet recommended an Alpha Track kit for Ziggy's home testing, and they said they can order it for me for $100 (or talk to a vet down here in Portland and see if they can get it for cheaper). I think I might shop around tomorrow after work for another meter that would work just as well. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I could use? I do know there are some helpful guides around here for home testing that I've been reading through.
Almost all of us use human meters, you can get one at Walmart relion confirm or micro,I think around 20.00 test strips are cheap, you will also need lancets, I use relion prime requires a little more blood but didn’t realize when bought it, the confirm and micro need less blood
 
A lot of people use Wal-Mart brand. The confirm and micro use the smallest size blood drop like the alpha track. The Prime meter uses bigger drop but the strips are cheaper.
 
Thank you, everyone. Ziggy's home now and resting for his big day on Saturday. :)

The vet recommended an Alpha Track kit for Ziggy's home testing, and they said they can order it for me for $100 (or talk to a vet down here in Portland and see if they can get it for cheaper). I think I might shop around tomorrow after work for another meter that would work just as well. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I could use? I do know there are some helpful guides around here for home testing that I've been reading through.
$100 is nuts. It's half that on amazon. I love my alphatrak but the strips are expensive. We have learned the insulinx strips (10-20$ for 50 strips on eBay) also work in the Alphatrak. If the cost is prohibitive then get a human meter such as the relion micro or confirm .
 
You will be needing a lot of strips and a lot of lancets so I think that the one you can most easily get the strips (in case you are running low and need more ) and that is ok with your budget ( so that you don't have to spend all your money in strips) because you are working so one less thing to worry about and that is easy to get ( no special trips to vet or anything ) is better

I use a human meter that I can buy the strips in a pharmacy that is about a block away from my house and open 24 hrs (also there is no Alpha Track or pet meter where I live ) so in the worst case scenario I can run and buy more or pick them on my way back from the office.
 
@JanetNJ Have you tried the insulinx strips in the Alpha Trak? Accurate? I was using Freestyle lite instead of the AT strips but even the Freestyle lite ones were $50.
 
I think I'll look around for something like the relion micro or confirm when I get out of work tomorrow, because the price of the Alpha Track is a little too high for me at the moment (Ziggy's appointment today was very expensive, and I have other payments I have to make before the end of the month). I admit I'm a little confused about how the meter, the lancets, and the strips all fit together, or rather, how to go about making sure they're all compatible and which will be most effective. I wish they said "for total beginners" on the packages! But these suggestions have been very helpful.

Thankfully, work is the only thing I really need to worry about as far as my time is concerned, and my coworkers step out to take care of their pets all the time. I haven't accrued much vacation time yet, but once I do, I'll have a lot to use, so trips to the vet during the day will be possible if necessary. And I usually just stay home when I'm not working, so I'll have plenty of time to be with Ziggy. :cat:
 
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$14.98 @ Walmart
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$35.88/100 or $19.98/50 @ Walmart



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$1.48 @ Walmart


Those will get you started. You can also opt for the Relion Prime meter and strips, but they require a larger drop of blood for testing. The kit comes with a lancing device; some of us use one and some of us just free-hand it. It's just a matter of personal preference, and which method seems to be most agreeable to your kitty! :cat:

ETA: If you don't like the blue meter, it also comes in pink, lol! ;):)
 
Brand of lancets isn't important. The gauge is. The smaller the number the bigger the needle point is. So you can get the most inexpensive ones. Ears have to learn to bleed. Starting with 26g or 28g is good. Then as your technique improves you can use a 30g or higher.

Syringes are important and you might have to shop around for ones you like. The ones with 1/2 unit marks are the best. Walmart has them. Though employees don't know they have them. I believe the box is purple. Make sure you really look and read the box.

Also getting them from ADW is pretty decent in price. I personally like the monoject brand

https://www.adwdiabetes.com
 
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I think I'll look around for something like the relion micro or confirm when I get out of work tomorrow, because the price of the Alpha Track is a little too high for me at the moment (Ziggy's appointment today was very expensive, and I have other payments I have to make before the end of the month). I admit I'm a little confused about how the meter, the lancets, and the strips all fit together, or rather, how to go about making sure they're all compatible and which will be most effective. I wish they said "for total beginners" on the packages! But these suggestions have been very helpful.

Thankfully, work is the only thing I really need to worry about as far as my time is concerned, and my coworkers step out to take care of their pets all the time. I haven't accrued much vacation time yet, but once I do, I'll have a lot to use, so trips to the vet during the day will be possible if necessary. And I usually just stay home when I'm not working, so I'll have plenty of time to be with Ziggy. :cat:
I felt this way too. Ask here and don’t fret- it’s not that hard. The spreadsheet thing totally had me freaked out and I even got that, even though mine is messed up and the wrong one ha! I’m going to start over tomorrow with the new insulin.

I’m excited to hear your and Ziggy’s journey!
 
No time to go into detail, but the vet just told me that aside from his blood sugar levels and the symptoms they’re causing, Ziggy is otherwise fine. They’ve outlined a treatment plan, so they will advise against putting him to sleep today. My parents seem to be in agreement. I feel much better now, and hopefully he will, too. <3


Flipping well brilliant news to start my weekend.
I am so very pleased for you and Ziggy.

Fab :bighug:
 
Wonderful news. I wasn't sure I could do the sticks for the blood glucose tests, the first ones were rough, I compared DH and myself to Laurel and Hardy! But, we persevered, and now Idjit lays in dad's lap/arms, and lets me do the poke. I put some rice in a thin sock, warm in microwave for 15 seconds, run it over his ears, head chin, the lightly press over the outside and inside ears. Idjit was even purring once. We are less a comedy team each time, in fact we are getting pretty good :) It's over quickly, he gets his treat, and usually a meal, so he's all good. Watch the videos, use the tips and you will do great!
 
What wonderful news Natalie good for you! You really worked hard at this and it payed out. I am so glad for Ziggy and so glad your parents have come around. Enjoy your week-end and relax! You´ve earned it. :)
 
Thank you!

I’m mostly nervous about introducing him to blood testing, but he’s been so patient with everything else. I’m hopeful!

My parents just bought a pack of wet food for him for when I pick him up tomorrow. It’s all gravy, though. Apparently the vet says he can have it, and he likes eating it. I know gravy isn’t supposed to be good for diabetic kitties, as some of you have said, so I’m a little disheartened (even if my parents meant well by buying it). I feel like the vet isn’t giving the best advice, but I don’t want to pretend that I know better when I’m still new to this. I’m glad I can rely on everyone here for help!
 
I think I'll look around for something like the relion micro or confirm when I get out of work tomorrow, because the price of the Alpha Track is a little too high for me at the moment (Ziggy's appointment today was very expensive, and I have other payments I have to make before the end of the month). I admit I'm a little confused about how the meter, the lancets, and the strips all fit together, or rather, how to go about making sure they're all compatible and which will be most effective. I wish they said "for total beginners" on the packages! But these suggestions have been very helpful.

Here is what I use for Tessie:

Walmart Shopping List

ReliOn Confirm Meter - I bought the kit which includes a small carrying case, a lancing device, and 10 lancets.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/ReliOn-Confirm-Blood-Glucose-Monitor-Blue/13863716

The Confirm and Micro BG meters use the same test strips. The ReliOn Prime meter has much cheaper test strips (not compatible with Confirm or Micro) but requires a larger drop of blood. I'm very happy with the Confirm meter because starting off, you don't know how well their ears will bleed and I really didn't want to have to poke her extra just because I couldn't get enough blood for Prime. Now that her ears have learned to bleed more, I am considering getting the Prime meter, but like I said, glad I started with Confirm.

ReliOn Ultra-Thin Lancets, 30 Gauge - These are the tiny needles that fit into the lancing device. A lot of people start off with 29 gauge (a little bigger needle) to make sure they get a nice drop of blood. I had no problems with the 30 gauge but luckily, they're are super cheap so you could probably get both to experiment.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/ReliOn-30-Gauge-Ultra-Thin-Lancets-200-Ct/43184842

ReliOn Confirm/Micro Test Strips - The strips are the most expensive part of testing.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/ReliOn-Confirm-Micro-Blood-Glucose-Test-Strips-100-Ct/16795579

A sock filled with rice/oatmeal - I warm this up in the microwave for 30 seconds then hold it on her ear to increase blood circulation. I continue to use it for pressure when I prick her ear. You could also use a small pill bottle filled with warm water for the same effect.

Neosporin with Pain Relief - After warming her ear, I apply Neosporin to the edge where I'm planning on pricking. It really helps the blood bead, making it much easier for the test strip to suck up. Vaseline will do the trick, as well.

ReliOn Insulin Syringes ( 3/10mL, 31 gauge, 8mm (5/16")) - Tessie gets ProZinc Insulin which is a U-40 strength. The coordinating needles are a little bigger and she was sensitive to the pain. Since then, we now use the conversion chart to U-100. These are around $12 from the Walmart Pharmacy, the cheapest I've found. They also have the half measuring units which is important to me for precise dosing. FYI - When I first asked the pharmacist about syringes with 1/2 unit markings, he didn't think they carried any. So I looked at what they did have, and sure enough, they were the half unit syringes. So not all pharmacists are aware.

I hope this helps you when you go shopping for Ziggy!
 
One step at a time. Ziggy will be new to your apartment, and there will be an adjustment period. Don't worry if you can't do everything at once. You'll both be getting used to each other again for a bit. Take your time learning all the steps in this sugardance.

Deep breaths, relax, repeat as necessary. You've got this, and folks here have your back.
 
View attachment 35751Those will get you started. You can also opt for the Relion Prime meter and strips, but they require a larger drop of blood for testing. The kit comes with a lancing device; some of us use one and some of us just free-hand it. It's just a matter of personal preference, and which method seems to be most agreeable to your kitty! :cat:

ETA: If you don't like the blue meter, it also comes in pink, lol! ;):)

Thank you, Squalliesmom! I picked these up today, along with a few other things that Ziggy will be needing. Got him some Friskies pate food, too, which he's always seemed to enjoy. I think that should be good for now, just to get him acclimated to a wet food-only diet again.

I looked for a pink meter, but they only had blue. :oops:

Here is what I use for Tessie:

Walmart Shopping List

A sock filled with rice/oatmeal - I warm this up in the microwave for 30 seconds then hold it on her ear to increase blood circulation. I continue to use it for pressure when I prick her ear. You could also use a small pill bottle filled with warm water for the same effect.

Neosporin with Pain Relief - After warming her ear, I apply Neosporin to the edge where I'm planning on pricking. It really helps the blood bead, making it much easier for the test strip to suck up. Vaseline will do the trick, as well.

I hope this helps you when you go shopping for Ziggy!

I also bought some Neosporin, as you suggested. I totally forgot the rice/oatmeal, though. I think we have some here at the apartment, though.

I admit I'm a little worried about Ziggy's bathroom needs during his long trip tomorrow. My mom is driving him down and I'm meeting her halfway to pick him up, since the distance between our houses is so big, and no doubt he's going to have to do his thing at some point. My mom was considering taking a collar and leash with her, just to see if he could use the bathroom outside when we meet up, but I don't think Ziggy would take very well to that. :nailbiting:
 
Thank you, Squalliesmom! I picked these up today, along with a few other things that Ziggy will be needing. Got him some Friskies pate food, too, which he's always seemed to enjoy. I think that should be good for now, just to get him acclimated to a wet food-only diet again.

I looked for a pink meter, but they only had blue. :oops:



I also bought some Neosporin, as you suggested. I totally forgot the rice/oatmeal, though. I think we have some here at the apartment, though.

I admit I'm a little worried about Ziggy's bathroom needs during his long trip tomorrow. My mom is driving him down and I'm meeting her halfway to pick him up, since the distance between our houses is so big, and no doubt he's going to have to do his thing at some point. My mom was considering taking a collar and leash with her, just to see if he could use the bathroom outside when we meet up, but I don't think Ziggy would take very well to that. :nailbiting:
You are more tan welcome!

Please tell your Mom not to try letting him out in an unknown, unfamiliar area with a collar/harness and leash! Cats are Houdinis when it comes to getting out of harnesses (and especially collars!) and that's a situation that could end in loss and tragedy, especially if there is traffic nearby. Since this is kind of an extreme situation, I wouldn't worry too much about bathroom breaks, just get him to your place as quickly and smoothly as possible. If he has to go and goes in his carrier, it will clean up! The minor discomfort to him is a better prospect than the above. (My little girl came up to Maryland from South Carolina and made it all the way without accident or incident)
 
@JanetNJ Have you tried the insulinx strips in the Alpha Trak? Accurate? I was using Freestyle lite instead of the AT strips but even the Freestyle lite ones were $50.
Most of the time the insulinx strips have been accurate. Yesterday they were off for me and have me a scare. My cat read 54 on the insulinx strips, but then I tested again with the alpha strips and it was 80. I have a tab on my spreadsheet showing the comparison numbers I have taken so far.
 
Yes, I was afraid of how Ziggy would react to being let out to do his business! I will tell my mom not to let him outside.

He's always been an indoor kitty, so he would no doubt be completely freaked out by being outdoors, too.
Natalie, TOTALLY AGREE with Lucy( squalliesmom).... Ziggy must remain in carrier . He will be enduring a lot just traveling . Whatever mess may be made can be cleaned up later but he MUST remain in his carrier. I personally would NOT EVEN OPEN the carrier at all until you have him safely in your apartment so there is no chance he might escape .Praying for an uneventful , safe trip for your mom and you :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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