4/25 Luci AMPS 230,1+213,2+136,3+113,3.104,4+96,5+101,6+125,8+141,10+199,PMPS 204,2+130,4+34,36,104

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Sue and Luci

Sue and Luci

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Yesterday's excitement

I'm hoping the dosecrease is effective - however we don't need to deep dive like yesterday again - thank you very much. When will Luci get the hang of this? Or maybe when will I? I thought I could see it coming yesterday morning when she dropped from 136 to 61 and started with some MC FF...and checking 30 minutes later to find her at 31! How did she get so far down, so fast? If I'd waited an hour, no telling what kind of mess she'd gotten herself into! Frantic steering after that wore us both out...

And of course by afternoon her numbers were soaring and she was snoozing like a queen on the lanai or the sofa - where ever I would leave her alone :)

I sure hope she catches on before our 4-day drive back to Michigan - I'm going to be seeking some advice for that trip - can't afford to have any hypo type incidents while we're on the road. What do others do for vacations or times where multiple testing just isn't practical? Reduce dose? Hold dose? Shoot same but feed HC. That's the last resort - as Luci isn't interested in eating in the car - when we've driven with her in the past she seems comfortable in her carrier all day and isn't interested in eating or using the LB...she waits until we get settled into the hotel for the evening before eating/drinking and using the LB...
 
Uh-oh, I think that was another falling AMPS. o_O

When do you leave to drive back to Michigan? We recommend you check with the forum 2-3 days before the trip, but usually we say to give a reduced dose leading up to the trip, then go back to the good dose when you arrive to your destination to try and get the numbers back down.
 
You did a great job yesterday Sue.

I had similar experiences with George early on.
If that had been George, I might have gone for straight MC or even (20% carb) at +2. Anything else just wouldn't slow him down when he did an early dive.

What carb % did you give at the 31? In a cycle like that for George if I didn't bring out the big guns out I ended up steering low numbers for hours. So I would have to use 28% carb and I added a drop of honey to the mix, on one occasion I used 20% when he dropped into the low 40's early in the cycle, and that saw me fight the numbers for 3 hours, got to the point where I called the vet, because after 9ounces of HCfood he was getting full.
George is not terribly carb sensitive and he needed a good bump of carbs to dissuade him from playing with the sharks, and it was best if I gave it early on that usually saw him come up and stay up, rather than have to fight the lows.

I learned the hard way when I was a newbie,
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...ps-87-1-5-44-2-66-33-pmps-255-1-5-298.151719/

As for the trip dose, we can help you with that, post up a little closer the time 3 days or so, you can take a reduction just for the trip, so that you don't have to worry, how much of a reducie will depend on what she is doing with the numbers.
 
My inclination at 136 is to feed MC - do you agree? Please help me steer her...last time I fed MC at first sign of drop I was wrong and she went the other way - yesterday I did not feed MC at first sign of drop and I was wrong again - and she went too far down. PLEASE ADVISE. Thank you
 
Gill & George said:
You did a great job yesterday Sue.

I had similar experiences with George early on.
If that had been George, I might have gone for straight MC or even (20% carb) at +2. Anything else just wouldn't slow him down when he did an early dive.

What carb % did you give at the 31? In a cycle like that for George if I didn't bring out the big guns out I ended up steering low numbers for hours. So I would have to use 28% carb and I added a drop of honey to the mix, on one occasion I used 20% when he dropped into the low 40's early in the cycle, and that saw me fight the numbers for 3 hours, got to the point where I called the vet, because after 9ounces of HCfood he was getting full.
George is not terribly carb sensitive and he needed a good bump of carbs to dissuade him from playing with the sharks, and it was best if I gave it early on that usually saw him come up and stay up, rather than have to fight the lows.

I learned the hard way when I was a newbie,
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...ps-87-1-5-44-2-66-33-pmps-255-1-5-298.151719/

As for the trip dose, we can help you with that, post up a little closer the time 3 days or so, you can take a reduction just for the trip, so that you don't have to worry, how much of a reducie will depend on what she is doing with the numbers.
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Ok will do on the trip dose questions.

As for this morning - I'm leaning toward giving her a teaspoon of MC at 2+ - she's getting closer to the lagoon - posted question - she's waiting....watching me for that treat.
 
Sue and Luci said:
My inclination at 136 is to feed MC - do you agree? Please help me steer her...last time I fed MC at first sign of drop I was wrong and she went the other way - yesterday I did not feed MC at first sign of drop and I was wrong again - and she went too far down. PLEASE ADVISE. Thank you
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Do it! :cat:

Sometimes it halts Asia too, and sometimes it does just the trick. It’s hard to predict which way it will go.
 
Mandy & Rex said:
Uh-oh, I think that was another falling AMPS. o_O

When do you leave to drive back to Michigan? We recommend you check with the forum 2-3 days before the trip, but usually we say to give a reduced dose leading up to the trip, then go back to the good dose when you arrive to your destination to try and get the numbers back down.
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We'll be leaving in a week or two. I was wondering if I should walk her dose down for a few days prior (increase or decrease by only .25) until she's at a lower dose - .5? or 1? I just don't want any antics while we're in the car - it's stressful enough being on the road - but even more if we have to stop to get her out of her carrier to test her and she's needing to eat - I've never really been able to get her to eat in the car - so I'll have my Karo syrup on hand - just would rather avoid all the drama if at all possible for 4 days. I won't be able to post here either - it's just going to be a difficult time for communicating and testing, feeding, etc.
 
The MC seems like a good plan.
She's at 136 an hour later in the cycle. So it may do the trick today. She looks to be clearing the bounce. But the cycle looks to be panning out more similar to the am cycle of 4/23. Small dip at +1 (not the 50+ points you got yesterday), with a bigger drop at +2 when she has onset. Look at what you did then and decide if you want to try the same or something different.

The depot of the larger dose is still influencing the early part of the cycle.
Sue and Luci said:
What food has 28%?
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Purina Gourmet Gold meat in sauce, I don't think it is available in US
 
Gill & George said:
The MC seems like a good plan.
She's at 136 an hour later in the cycle. So it may do the trick today. She looks to be clearing the bounce. But the cycle looks to be panning out more similar to the am cycle of 4/23. Small dip at +1 (not the 50+ points you got yesterday), with a bigger drop at +2 when she has onset. Look at what you did then and decide if you want to try the same or something different.

The depot of the larger dose is still influencing the early part of the cycle.

Purina Gourmet Gold meat in sauce, I don't think it is available in US
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I've tried finding other high carb foods - haven't had a lot of luck - dry foods are high - but dry takes too long...still searching for some high carb wet...perhaps others have some thoughts.
 
Sue and Luci said:
We'll be leaving in a week or two. I was wondering if I should walk her dose down for a few days prior (increase or decrease by only .25) until she's at a lower dose - .5? or 1? I just don't want any antics while we're in the car - it's stressful enough being on the road - but even more if we have to stop to get her out of her carrier to test her and she's needing to eat - I've never really been able to get her to eat in the car - so I'll have my Karo syrup on hand - just would rather avoid all the drama if at all possible for 4 days. I won't be able to post here either - it's just going to be a difficult time for communicating and testing, feeding, etc.
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Usually we hold the dose and take a reduction dose either 0.25 or 0.5u 2-3 cycles before the vacation, that should give the depot time to drain and raise her BG for the vacation. You don't want to reduce too much in advance to avoid having her run too high for longer than is necessary.
 
Gill & George said:
2-3 cycles before the vacation
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Ok, so for the last two days before we hit the road, I'll reduce by .25 or .5 (by the time we leave)...so her BG will be a bit higher than usual - not so much testing on the road. But still giving her insulin twice a day - just a reduced dose and LC foods. I will be able to test AM and PM - just not so much in between.
Thank you!
 
Sue and Luci said:
Ok, so for the last two days before we hit the road, I'll reduce by .25 or .5 (by the time we leave)...so her BG will be a bit higher than usual - not so much testing on the road. But still giving her insulin twice a day - just a reduced dose and LC foods. I will be able to test AM and PM - just not so much in between.
Thank you!
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Yes, depending on how well she is doing you would decide on the dose.
 
Gill & George said:
https://www.purina.co.uk/cat/gourmet/product-range/gold/adult-beef-chunks
This is what I used, pure kitty crack:eek:. I'm not going to be using it this time round. It upset his tummy (usually for only one bowel movement). I'm going to add honey to his regular food.
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I see they have it on Amazon - but it's about as much for the product as for the shipping! No free shipping on this one. I'll have to see what else I can find here in the US for a more reasonable price...surely there are some other high carb wet foods around...??
 
Sue and Luci said:
I see they have it on Amazon - but it's about as much for the product as for the shipping! No free shipping on this one. I'll have to see what else I can find here in the US for a more reasonable price...surely there are some other high carb wet foods around...??
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I remember another member saying the same, way back when. Over here it's sold at most supermarkets, it really is just junk food.
 
Gill & George said:
I remember another member saying the same, way back when. Over here it's sold at most supermarkets, it really is just junk food.
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If she does any more deep diving I may be adding honey or karo syrup to one of her HC foods - just to see if I get a quicker response...although I like to see her in the lagoon for as long as possible...I was afraid too much glucose too fast would send her soaring...but she seems to go soaring on her own quite nicely - and doesn't seem to care when she gives me a heart attack by diving so deep so fast either! I guess it's time for me to do a bit of experimenting...this morning she's looking ok with her blues - as long as she doesn't jump in too deep too fast...I need more control ... but she doesn't see it that way at all!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
I’ve recently started adding dehydrated potato flakes to Asia’s regular food. You can make it as high carb as you want, I started with just 1/4 tsp and it does the trick for her, adding some extra water almost makes it gravy like. Just another option to try if you didn’t want to play canned food carousel. ;)
 
Stacy & Asia said:
I’ve recently started adding dehydrated potato flakes to Asia’s regular food. You can make it as high carb as you want, I started with just 1/4 tsp and it does the trick for her, adding some extra water almost makes it gravy like. Just another option to try if you didn’t want to play canned food carousel. ;)
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Excellent suggestion! What brand is the plainest (no onion flakes, salt, butter, etc.)...I know that comes in little pouches but am not familiar with it at all...I'm going to the grocery store today and will check them out! Thank you!
 
So now she's back on the beach and apparently not interested in the lagoon :( I'm sorry to see she exited so quickly from the healing lagoon...must have been a little too many MC feedings? Steering her is proving very difficult -she does what she wants, when she wants...I'm trying ... walking that tightrope between her deep dives and keeping her in the lagoon - sure is a test of my mama-bean skills!o_O:banghead:
 
Sue and Luci said:
Excellent suggestion! What brand is the plainest (no onion flakes, salt, butter, etc.)...I know that comes in little pouches but am not familiar with it at all...I'm going to the grocery store today and will check them out! Thank you!
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Bob’s Red Mill, ingredients: dehydrated potato :)
 
Stacy & Asia said:
Bob’s Red Mill, ingredients: dehydrated potato :)
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Thanks so much for that info! That narrows down my search immensely! Otherwise I'd have been looking thru the Ore-Ida etc...all those packages seem to have so much added to them...I think...like I said, haven't used that stuff for so long... :):D:D
 
Sue and Luci said:
Thanks so much for that info! That narrows down my search immensely! Otherwise I'd have been looking thru the Ore-Ida etc...all those packages seem to have so much added to them...I think...like I said, haven't used that stuff for so long... :):D:D
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At my grocery Bob’s red mill products are usually on a shelf by themselves, often in the organic/natural foods section. They have steel cut oats, all different kinds of nut flours and things like that.
 
Stacy & Asia said:
At my grocery Bob’s red mill products are usually on a shelf by themselves, often in the organic/natural foods section. They have steel cut oats, all different kinds of nut flours and things like that.
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Wouldn't you know the Publix here has them scattered all over the place - bakery isle had Bob's Red mill brownie mixes, flours, etc. No potatoes...another isle had some cereals - no potatoes, near the freeze dried potatoes they had no Bob Mill's products at all. So I bought Bob's white rice 'flour' - ingredients = white rice. 32 carbs per serving. I'm going to try mixing a little of that with water and then her food to see what happens - at least I'll know exactly how many carbs are in that!
 
Sue and Luci said:
Wouldn't you know the Publix here has them scattered all over the place - bakery isle had Bob's Red mill brownie mixes, flours, etc. No potatoes...another isle had some cereals - no potatoes, near the freeze dried potatoes they had no Bob Mill's products at all. So I bought Bob's white rice 'flour' - ingredients = white rice. 32 carbs per serving. I'm going to try mixing a little of that with water and then her food to see what happens - at least I'll know exactly how many carbs are in that!
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That should work great as well. It’s the next thing I’m going to try, it’s easily tolerated by cats and it’s very low phosphorous! :)
 
Mandy & Rex said:
I didn't get a chance to check in all day, but it was wonderful to see a gentle cycle, instead of a swan dive at the start and a trampoline jump at the end!
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A bit easier on my nerves - I wish I could have gotten her to stay in the lagoon a little longer - maybe my steering today was a bit premature - but I did keep her away from the sharks - guess that has to account for something! I just need to refine those feedings - a little MC at the right time certainly helps keep her safe...but seemed to also prevent her from staying in the lagoon for more than an hour...maybe tomorrow will be better?
 
All in all, it looks like a nice steady cycle. The diving and what carb to steer is something that just needs experimenting. My experience was that once Bubba was in better numbers consistently, the carbs could be lower to steer when he did drop.. But, ECID; keep good notes.
 
DH checked Luci at just shy of 4+ and found her at 34! Feeding her HC + rice flour (32%) Will stay up now and check her again in 20 mins. Should I reduce AM dosage again?
 
Luci is up to 36 now - 20 minutes later - and is playing with her new fish toy (stuffed catnip toy) flinging it over her head - I've noted this on the SS - doesn't she realize that she's supposed to be feeling rather lethargic and not at all well when her BG goes this low? I'll be checking her again in under 30 minutes - to see if the HC food + the newly introduced rice flour (32% carbs) is going to turn her around. Hoping for a reply for next dosage - decrease I suppose? What is it with this girl and the sharks???
 
30's aren't to be messed with. Especially two in a row. :eek: I would reduce. Might be depot influenced, but better safe than sorry.

UP young lady!
 
Wendy&Neko said:
30's aren't to be messed with. Especially two in a row. :eek: I would reduce. Might be depot influenced, but better safe than sorry.

UP young lady!
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Finally got her up to 104 with HC + Rice flour slurry. Will set alarm and check her in two hours - I suspect the HC food will send her soaring now. Will reduce to 1.25 next dose (AM).
 
Typically you want the HC to pop them up around 20-30 points so they can still surf. Maybe a touch less rice flour next time.
 
Seems she was determined to visit the sharks.
This morning the straight MC seemed to slow her down when you gave it at +2, the MC/LC mix didn't seem to slow her up tonight.

That's not to say that she would not have dropped anyways if she was determined to do so. Just an observation.

I agree with Wendy, drop into 30's=reduction earned.

Behave yourself Luci
 
Gill & George said:
Seems she was determined to visit the sharks.
This morning the straight MC seemed to slow her down when you gave it at +2, the MC/LC mix didn't seem to slow her up tonight.

That's not to say that she would not have dropped anyways if she was determined to do so. Just an observation.

I agree with Wendy, drop into 30's=reduction earned.

Behave yourself Luci
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I was suspicious of her at PM2+ hence the LC + MC mix - but not too much - just wanted to slow her down a bit - DH tested about 1.5 hours later - just enough to hit the 4+ time frame and came in and woke me up telling me she was at 34 - OMG! TOO LOW!! So I thought now is the time to try the experiment with the rice flour - mixed a tiny amount with water and then with her HC food - and tested her 20 minutes later - not much change. From 34 to 36...hardly a budge - fed her a little more HC + the rice flour mixture - she's hesitating to even eat this stuff ...now there's something white running (it was runny)..in her dish...had to clean her dish - start over - mound a little rice flour mixture (not so runny this time) into her HC food - added a bit of crushed freeze dried chicken to the top - that got her interested and she lapped it up. Then was playing around acting crazy with her new fish catnip toy - it's midnight by now and got one more test - she was up to 104 - then another little dab of HC+tiny amount of rice flour - I went to bed - checked 2 hours later and she was way high - and higher still this morning (it's 6:40 a.m.)...so here we are. Going to reduce the insulin this morning and hope we have a quiet - smooth day - sorta like yesterday and no crazy antics at night. I just don't know why she insists on jumping in so fast, so hard - and steering her wasn't on her mind - I should have gotten another test shortly after that 130 reading at 2+ but I passed the baton to DH and he's not big on the testing in the first place and basically isn't interested in testing her hourly - I'm lucky that he'll test her at 4+ ... but I'm considering talking to him and letting him know in order to avoid these late night dramatics he will need to test her at 3+ and 4+ and provide the appropriate food along the way...if she needs steering I'll have to get up.

Right now I feel like a zombie - less than 6 hours of sleep may work for some people but not for me :( It's going to be a rough day...
 
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